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Jan 25, 2020 18:56:41   #
Fodaoson Loc: South Texas
 
Is Muslim immigration a threat to the first amendment? Many posters on opp are calling for the stopping of Muslim immigration, There is widespread anti Muslim feelings in the general population. Solving the problem lies in the first amendment, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”
Pass and amendment labeling Islam as a way of governing that is a political system that is contrary to the Constitution so not protected by the first amendment.

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Jan 25, 2020 19:03:59   #
Liberty Tree
 
Fodaoson wrote:
Is Muslim immigration a threat to the first amendment? Many posters on opp are calling for the stopping of Muslim immigration, There is widespread anti Muslim feelings in the general population. Solving the problem lies in the first amendment, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”
Pass and amendment labeling Islam as a way of governing that is a political system that is contrary to the Constitution so not protected by the first amendment.
Is Muslim immigration a threat to the first amendm... (show quote)


Members of Congress take an oath to defend against all enemies foreign and domestic. Read the Koran and muslims are clearly our enemies. Every right in the constitution has limitations

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Jan 25, 2020 20:03:20   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
Members of Congress take an oath to defend against all enemies foreign and domestic. Read the Koran and muslims are clearly our enemies. Every right in the constitution has limitations


Bet you couldn't back that statement up with passages from the Koran

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Jan 25, 2020 20:48:05   #
2quick4u Loc: Somewhere in central Tx...
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Bet you couldn't back that statement up with passages from the Koran


How about this..(here's where I found it:https://www.meforum.org/2538/taqiyya-islam-rules-of-war ) I don't feel like this is compatible with our Western Civilization. If they want to leave this behind or change it maybe we can talk... This is nothing but 'common sense' to me-I don't care who it upsets and/or offends-and I don't consider Islam to be a religion in the same sense as what we practice. It is more of a 'way of life' to the ME culture.

The Doctrine of Taqiyya
According to Shari'a—the body of legal rulings that defines how a Muslim should behave in all circumstances—deception is not only permitted in certain situations but may be deemed obligatory in others. Contrary to early Christian tradition, for instance, Muslims who were forced to choose between recanting Islam or suffering persecution were permitted to lie and feign apostasy. Other jurists have decreed that Muslims are obligated to lie in order to preserve themselves,[2] based on Qur'anic verses forbidding Muslims from being instrumental in their own deaths.[3]



[2] Fakhr ad-Din ar-Razi, At-Tafsir al-Kabir (Beirut: Dar al-Kutub al-'Ilmiya, 2000), vol. 10, p. 98.
[3] Qur'an 2:195, 4:29.

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Jan 25, 2020 21:02:18   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
2quick4u wrote:
How about this..(here's where I found it:https://www.meforum.org/2538/taqiyya-islam-rules-of-war ) I don't feel like this is compatible with our Western Civilization. If they want to leave this behind or change it maybe we can talk... This is nothing but 'common sense' to me-I don't care who it upsets and/or offends-and I don't consider Islam to be a religion in the same sense as what we practice. It is more of a 'way of life' to the ME culture.

The Doctrine of Taqiyya
According to Shari'a—the body of legal rulings that defines how a Muslim should behave in all circumstances—deception is not only permitted in certain situations but may be deemed obligatory in others. Contrary to early Christian tradition, for instance, Muslims who were forced to choose between recanting Islam or suffering persecution were permitted to lie and feign apostasy. Other jurists have decreed that Muslims are obligated to lie in order to preserve themselves,[2] based on Qur'anic verses forbidding Muslims from being instrumental in their own deaths.[3]



[2] Fakhr ad-Din ar-Razi, At-Tafsir al-Kabir (Beirut: Dar al-Kutub al-'Ilmiya, 2000), vol. 10, p. 98.
[3] Qur'an 2:195, 4:29.
How about this..(here's where I found it:https://w... (show quote)


How is this incompatible with western society?

If I threaten the average citizen's life, they are almost certain to lie to preserve their life...

Do you cast stones at the Jews who denied their faith and ancestory to avoid the N**is?

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Jan 25, 2020 21:10:48   #
Liberty Tree
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
How is this incompatible with western society?

If I threaten the average citizen's life, they are almost certain to lie to preserve their life...

Do you cast stones at the Jews who denied their faith and ancestory to avoid the N**is?


Jews are not k*****g people all over the world. Jews have not committed terrorist acts in the USA.

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Jan 25, 2020 21:23:18   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
Jews are not k*****g people all over the world. Jews have not committed terrorist acts in the USA.


Are you truly that incapable of following the conversation?

Is it a natural ability? Or did it take years of practice?

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Jan 25, 2020 21:24:25   #
2quick4u Loc: Somewhere in central Tx...
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
How is this incompatible with western society?

If I threaten the average citizen's life, they are almost certain to lie to preserve their life...

Do you cast stones at the Jews who denied their faith and ancestory to avoid the N**is?

I'm not a 'n**i' and they aren't 'jews'. I'm not trying to 'wipe' a whole religious sect from our Earth (b/c I think they're inferior)..and the 'Jews" weren't threatening or condoning harm to the Germans simply b/c they didn't center their lives around eliminating infindels (non-believers). I just don't think we have to allow them to import their barbaric way(s) of life here..under the pretense it's comparable to our religion. I welcome ANY person who want's to come here..but they have to leave some things behind-like Islam (as currently practiced and written). This should be non-negotiable IMNSHO... They have vowed to k**l every last one of us..and there is no (written) peaceful version either..so they are all drinking from the same well.

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Jan 25, 2020 21:27:48   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
2quick4u wrote:
I'm not a 'n**i' and they aren't 'jews'. I'm not trying to 'wipe' a whole religious sect from our Earth (b/c I think they're inferior)..and the 'Jews" weren't threatening or condoning harm to the Germans simply b/c they didn't center their lives around eliminating infindels (non-believers). I just don't think we have to allow them to import their barbaric way(s) of life here..under the pretense it's comparable to our religion. I welcome ANY person who want's to come here..but they have to leave some things behind-like Islam (as currently practiced and written). This should be non-negotiable IMNSHO... They have vowed to k**l every last one of us..and there is no (written) peaceful version either..so they are all drinking from the same well.
I'm not a 'n**i' and they aren't 'jews'. I'm not ... (show quote)


How does your post concerning Taqiyya conflict with this?

Islam has not vowed to k**l every last one of anyone...

The entire written version is 95% peaceful, the other 5% require very specific circumstances...

Unless you have proof otherwise....

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Jan 25, 2020 21:33:28   #
Liberty Tree
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
How does your post concerning Taqiyya conflict with this?

Islam has not vowed to k**l every last one of anyone...

The entire written version is 95% peaceful, the other 5% require very specific circumstances...

Unless you have proof otherwise....


The proof is thousands of people k**led every year around the world in the name of Allah. Are you incapable of getting that?

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Jan 25, 2020 21:33:48   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Bet you couldn't back that statement up with passages from the Koran


This backs up anything we need!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rZwnJ1cE1s

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Jan 25, 2020 21:36:21   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
The proof is thousands of people k**led every year around the world in the name of Allah. Are you incapable of getting that?


It must be a learned ability...

Can't imagine anyone naturally this ignorant making it to adulthood....

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Jan 25, 2020 21:37:33   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
This backs up anything we need!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rZwnJ1cE1s


Apologies... Outside and don't have WiFi... VPN won't work off of my phone plan...

Give me a hint about the video?

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Jan 25, 2020 21:42:13   #
Liberty Tree
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
It must be a learned ability...

Can't imagine anyone naturally this ignorant making it to adulthood....


You did.

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Jan 25, 2020 21:42:52   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Fodaoson wrote:
Is Muslim immigration a threat to the first amendment? Many posters on opp are calling for the stopping of Muslim immigration, There is widespread anti Muslim feelings in the general population. Solving the problem lies in the first amendment, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”
Pass and amendment labeling Islam as a way of governing that is a political system that is contrary to the Constitution so not protected by the first amendment.
Is Muslim immigration a threat to the first amendm... (show quote)


Supreme Court says otherwise..

Muslim immigration isn’t about religion either..
Its about being a threat to our country and the dangers presented with terrorist infiltration..

Check France, the UK, Germany etc to see just exactly what muslin infiltration is really after.... Hint~~its not religion~~

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