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Now Trump Says The Intelligence Doesn't Matter...Really?
Jan 14, 2020 12:53:13   #
woodguru
 
There are so many ways to put this, but to say that the intelligence behind a decision that could easily been an act of war that literally triggers WW3? No, the intelligence does matter, it matters a lot, and what else matters is that actions like this come from a deep level of intelligence and state department expertise, as well as a consensus among the other allied nations who will be affected by this.

The fact of the matter is there were no imminent threats, there was no dire need...and we don't assassinate foreign key figures without a lot more care and deliberation that went on between Pompea, Esper, and Trump. We know Pompea has wanted to go to war with Iran, to attack them, knowing that this administration needs to be carefully moving for reasons, not because that's what they want to do regardless of having no goals or outcomes in mind.

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Jan 14, 2020 13:04:44   #
TrueAmerican
 
woodguru wrote:
There are so many ways to put this, but to say that the intelligence behind a decision that could easily been an act of war that literally triggers WW3? No, the intelligence does matter, it matters a lot, and what else matters is that actions like this come from a deep level of intelligence and state department expertise, as well as a consensus among the other allied nations who will be affected by this.

The fact of the matter is there were no imminent threats, there was no dire need...and we don't assassinate foreign key figures without a lot more care and deliberation that went on between Pompea, Esper, and Trump. We know Pompea has wanted to go to war with Iran, to attack them, knowing that this administration needs to be carefully moving for reasons, not because that's what they want to do regardless of having no goals or outcomes in mind.
There are so many ways to put this, but to say tha... (show quote)


Well I guess it matters about as much as the whistleblowers testimony in the impeachment charade !!!!!!

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Jan 14, 2020 13:09:09   #
American Vet
 
woodguru wrote:
There are so many ways to put this, but to say that the intelligence behind a decision that could easily been an act of war that literally triggers WW3? No, the intelligence does matter, it matters a lot, and what else matters is that actions like this come from a deep level of intelligence and state department expertise, as well as a consensus among the other allied nations who will be affected by this.

The fact of the matter is there were no imminent threats, there was no dire need...and we don't assassinate foreign key figures without a lot more care and deliberation that went on between Pompea, Esper, and Trump. We know Pompea has wanted to go to war with Iran, to attack them, knowing that this administration needs to be carefully moving for reasons, not because that's what they want to do regardless of having no goals or outcomes in mind.
There are so many ways to put this, but to say tha... (show quote)


Intelligence reports that the late general was a terrorist responsible for many, many deaths - including US soldiers.

The "foreign key figure" was a military man, and was in what could be described as a war zone - valid target.

Your opinion is that more "deliberation' was needed. Others disagree.

Please keep defending the terrorist - it reminds everyone of exactly what you are.

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Jan 14, 2020 13:49:36   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
woodguru wrote:
There are so many ways to put this, but to say that the intelligence behind a decision that could easily been an act of war that literally triggers WW3? No, the intelligence does matter, it matters a lot, and what else matters is that actions like this come from a deep level of intelligence and state department expertise, as well as a consensus among the other allied nations who will be affected by this.

The fact of the matter is there were no imminent threats, there was no dire need...and we don't assassinate foreign key figures without a lot more care and deliberation that went on between Pompea, Esper, and Trump. We know Pompea has wanted to go to war with Iran, to attack them, knowing that this administration needs to be carefully moving for reasons, not because that's what they want to do regardless of having no goals or outcomes in mind.
There are so many ways to put this, but to say tha... (show quote)


I think that nuclear war was averted because we took action. You may be aware, Israel has been worried about Iran for quite some time. They are so worried that intelligence show Israel moved over three-quarters of its Naval Forces through the Suez Canal and assembled over 30 of its US-built fighter jets in Kurdistan for a planned attack using American made “bunker busting” bombs and nuclear armed cruise missiles. This predates the Trump Administration. Upon Obama assuming the US Presidency, Israel’s Prime Minister gave the American leader a stark warning that “Either you take care of Iran-quickly-or I will”, a challenge that Obama slapped down by warning that the United States is “absolutely not” giving Israel a green light to attack Iran, a curious statement, however, when viewed in the light of the American Vice President Biden stating just days before that “Israel is free to do whatever it deems necessary to remove the Iranian nuclear threat”.

Even worse, Syria’s leader has reportedly warned the US that upon Turkey and Iran declaring war upon Kurdistan and Israel it would have “no choice” but to honor its defense agreements with the Iranians calling for their Nations to protect each other in times of peril.

Further complicating this mess is Turkey’s membership in NATO, and which under that alliances agreement calls for the United States and Europe to join with the Turkish military in fighting against what in essence would be their own allies of Israel and Kurdistan.

Not widely known to the American people is that while their Military Forces have been fighting in Iraq, the United States and Iran have longstanding agreements allowing the Iranians to shell Iraqi Kurd territory without fear of reprisal, an agreement that also includes Turkey who have battled against the Iraqi Kurds for decades.

With that bit of data, I believe that Israel was planning a big move on Iran and it involved the increased terrorist activity in Palestine and Egypt, funded by Iran and directed by Soleimani. I also have reason to believe that Turkey was building up to side with Iran and the Prince of Saudi would side with Israel. When all the dust settles, I am confident that we deescalated tensions and averted WWIII.

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Jan 14, 2020 13:56:17   #
nwtk2007
 
woodguru wrote:
There are so many ways to put this, but to say that the intelligence behind a decision that could easily been an act of war that literally triggers WW3? No, the intelligence does matter, it matters a lot, and what else matters is that actions like this come from a deep level of intelligence and state department expertise, as well as a consensus among the other allied nations who will be affected by this.

The fact of the matter is there were no imminent threats, there was no dire need...and we don't assassinate foreign key figures without a lot more care and deliberation that went on between Pompea, Esper, and Trump. We know Pompea has wanted to go to war with Iran, to attack them, knowing that this administration needs to be carefully moving for reasons, not because that's what they want to do regardless of having no goals or outcomes in mind.
There are so many ways to put this, but to say tha... (show quote)


"we don't assassinate foreign key figures" We don't? Who were all those people and families being killed by Obama??????

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Jan 14, 2020 14:15:49   #
woodguru
 
TrueAmerican wrote:
Well I guess it matters about as much as the whistleblowers testimony in the impeachment charade !!!!!!

Could you explain what the whistleblower brings to the table that evidence including trump's perfect phone call hasn't well covered?

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Jan 14, 2020 14:43:24   #
nwtk2007
 
woodguru wrote:
Could you explain what the whistleblower brings to the table that evidence including trump's perfect phone call hasn't well covered?


Lack of credibility of everyone!

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Jan 15, 2020 17:11:15   #
Pariahjf
 
Pennylynn wrote:
I think that nuclear war was averted because we took action. You may be aware, Israel has been worried about Iran for quite some time. They are so worried that intelligence show Israel moved over three-quarters of its Naval Forces through the Suez Canal and assembled over 30 of its US-built fighter jets in Kurdistan for a planned attack using American made “bunker busting” bombs and nuclear armed cruise missiles. This predates the Trump Administration. Upon Obama assuming the US Presidency, Israel’s Prime Minister gave the American leader a stark warning that “Either you take care of Iran-quickly-or I will”, a challenge that Obama slapped down by warning that the United States is “absolutely not” giving Israel a green light to attack Iran, a curious statement, however, when viewed in the light of the American Vice President Biden stating just days before that “Israel is free to do whatever it deems necessary to remove the Iranian nuclear threat”.

Even worse, Syria’s leader has reportedly warned the US that upon Turkey and Iran declaring war upon Kurdistan and Israel it would have “no choice” but to honor its defense agreements with the Iranians calling for their Nations to protect each other in times of peril.

Further complicating this mess is Turkey’s membership in NATO, and which under that alliances agreement calls for the United States and Europe to join with the Turkish military in fighting against what in essence would be their own allies of Israel and Kurdistan.

Not widely known to the American people is that while their Military Forces have been fighting in Iraq, the United States and Iran have longstanding agreements allowing the Iranians to shell Iraqi Kurd territory without fear of reprisal, an agreement that also includes Turkey who have battled against the Iraqi Kurds for decades.

With that bit of data, I believe that Israel was planning a big move on Iran and it involved the increased terrorist activity in Palestine and Egypt, funded by Iran and directed by Soleimani. I also have reason to believe that Turkey was building up to side with Iran and the Prince of Saudi would side with Israel. When all the dust settles, I am confident that we deescalated tensions and averted WWIII.
I think that nuclear war was averted because we to... (show quote)


Israel & Saudi Arabia need to deal with their own issues over there----not us. That's why we gave them all that high-tech weaponry.

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Jan 15, 2020 18:27:49   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Pariahjf wrote:
Israel & Saudi Arabia need to deal with their own issues over there----not us. That's why we gave them all that high-tech weaponry.


A rather narrow view... a nuclear war must be averted, If you think the earth is in trouble now, and frankly it is, not from cow flagilance but from over population, careless management of garbage, to normal environmental changes. If an exchange involving just 50 nuclear weapons — the kind of thing we might see in an Israel/Iran war, for example — could loft 5 billion kilograms of smoke, soot and dust high into the stratosphere. That’s enough to cool the entire planet by about 2 degrees Fahrenheit (1.25 degrees Celsius) — about where we were during the Little Ice Age of the 17th century. Growing seasons could be shortened enough to create really significant food shortages.

To my knowledge, most of the changes in nuclear weapons technology since the 1950s have focused on making them smaller and lighter, and making delivery systems more accurate, rather than on changing their effects on the environment or on human health. So-called “battlefield” weapons with lower explosive yields are part of some arsenals now — but it’s quite unlikely that any exchange between two nuclear powers would stay limited to these smaller, less destructive bombs.

Larger bombs can flatten cities. Many if not most people within the blast radius — which can be up to 10 miles — would die instantly. Those who survived would wish they hadn’t, since most would die later of severe burns or cancers. Radioactive fallout from these weapons’ debris clouds would reach the stratosphere, where it would travel worldwide, potentially contaminating crops and livestock as well as causing radiation sickness and cancer directly. Later, this fallout would cause genetic mutations in plants, animals and human beings, as it has in the vicinity of the Chernobyl nuclear accident.

Nuclear explosions would also cause immense fires. The smoke from burning buildings, oil and gas fields, refineries, chemical factories, and industrial facilities would be highly toxic. Forest fires would engulf large areas. These effects would destroy more property and kill more people.

And that will happen with just two nations using nukes. If the command is given, it is inevitable that the Syrians, the Iranians, Hezbollah and the Russians would fight back. This would be the start of World War 3. Moreover, the Saudis and the Turks are trying to convince the United States to be involved. However, the truth is that we do not want to be a part of this, because it could very easily become the first nuclear war in the history of the Middle East. In the event of a massive ground invasion by Saudi Arabia, Turkey and their allies, it is more likely that Russia may decide to be the first to use nukes. An invasion force of hundreds of thousands of troops would outnumber the small Russian force that is already inside Syria. This means that the Russians may feel that the only thing that they can do is to use nukes. In addition, Russia has more tactical nukes than anyone else in the world. Furthermore, there are some reports that indicate that they may even be prepared to use them in Syria.

Russia and China have a "protection pact" that stands alone from the UN.... if Russia launches, China will step forward.... Speaking of the UN...they would send "peace keeping forces." And the US would be pulled in.

And all this in the early months.... no corner of the earth would be spared. Do you still believe that we should not have intervened in the crisis building between Israel and Iran?



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Jan 15, 2020 20:43:41   #
teabag09
 
woodguru wrote:
There are so many ways to put this, but to say that the intelligence behind a decision that could easily been an act of war that literally triggers WW3? No, the intelligence does matter, it matters a lot, and what else matters is that actions like this come from a deep level of intelligence and state department expertise, as well as a consensus among the other allied nations who will be affected by this.

The fact of the matter is there were no imminent threats, there was no dire need...and we don't assassinate foreign key figures without a lot more care and deliberation that went on between Pompea, Esper, and Trump. We know Pompea has wanted to go to war with Iran, to attack them, knowing that this administration needs to be carefully moving for reasons, not because that's what they want to do regardless of having no goals or outcomes in mind.
There are so many ways to put this, but to say tha... (show quote)


Woodrow, you sir are a boor! Mike

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Jan 15, 2020 20:57:33   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
woodguru wrote:
There are so many ways to put this, but to say that the intelligence behind a decision that could easily been an act of war that literally triggers WW3? No, the intelligence does matter, it matters a lot, and what else matters is that actions like this come from a deep level of intelligence and state department expertise, as well as a consensus among the other allied nations who will be affected by this.

The fact of the matter is there were no imminent threats, there was no dire need...and we don't assassinate foreign key figures without a lot more care and deliberation that went on between Pompea, Esper, and Trump. We know Pompea has wanted to go to war with Iran, to attack them, knowing that this administration needs to be carefully moving for reasons, not because that's what they want to do regardless of having no goals or outcomes in mind.
There are so many ways to put this, but to say tha... (show quote)
I know of a really good place where you can put this. You may need a dab of KY or Vaseline to ease getting it in there, but it'd be secure and we wouldn't have to deal with the stench of it.

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Jan 16, 2020 10:39:56   #
Pariahjf
 
Pennylynn wrote:
A rather narrow view... a nuclear war must be averted, If you think the earth is in trouble now, and frankly it is, not from cow flagilance but from over population, careless management of garbage, to normal environmental changes. If an exchange involving just 50 nuclear weapons — the kind of thing we might see in an Israel/Iran war, for example — could loft 5 billion kilograms of smoke, soot and dust high into the stratosphere. That’s enough to cool the entire planet by about 2 degrees Fahrenheit (1.25 degrees Celsius) — about where we were during the Little Ice Age of the 17th century. Growing seasons could be shortened enough to create really significant food shortages.

To my knowledge, most of the changes in nuclear weapons technology since the 1950s have focused on making them smaller and lighter, and making delivery systems more accurate, rather than on changing their effects on the environment or on human health. So-called “battlefield” weapons with lower explosive yields are part of some arsenals now — but it’s quite unlikely that any exchange between two nuclear powers would stay limited to these smaller, less destructive bombs.

Larger bombs can flatten cities. Many if not most people within the blast radius — which can be up to 10 miles — would die instantly. Those who survived would wish they hadn’t, since most would die later of severe burns or cancers. Radioactive fallout from these weapons’ debris clouds would reach the stratosphere, where it would travel worldwide, potentially contaminating crops and livestock as well as causing radiation sickness and cancer directly. Later, this fallout would cause genetic mutations in plants, animals and human beings, as it has in the vicinity of the Chernobyl nuclear accident.

Nuclear explosions would also cause immense fires. The smoke from burning buildings, oil and gas fields, refineries, chemical factories, and industrial facilities would be highly toxic. Forest fires would engulf large areas. These effects would destroy more property and kill more people.

And that will happen with just two nations using nukes. If the command is given, it is inevitable that the Syrians, the Iranians, Hezbollah and the Russians would fight back. This would be the start of World War 3. Moreover, the Saudis and the Turks are trying to convince the United States to be involved. However, the truth is that we do not want to be a part of this, because it could very easily become the first nuclear war in the history of the Middle East. In the event of a massive ground invasion by Saudi Arabia, Turkey and their allies, it is more likely that Russia may decide to be the first to use nukes. An invasion force of hundreds of thousands of troops would outnumber the small Russian force that is already inside Syria. This means that the Russians may feel that the only thing that they can do is to use nukes. In addition, Russia has more tactical nukes than anyone else in the world. Furthermore, there are some reports that indicate that they may even be prepared to use them in Syria.

Russia and China have a "protection pact" that stands alone from the UN.... if Russia launches, China will step forward.... Speaking of the UN...they would send "peace keeping forces." And the US would be pulled in.

And all this in the early months.... no corner of the earth would be spared. Do you still believe that we should not have intervened in the crisis building between Israel and Iran?
A rather narrow view... a nuclear war must be aver... (show quote)



A lot of your message IS relevant-----my issue is why are we arming these nations and then having to go do the peacekeeping for them as well? Aren't the weapons we provide enough deterrent to assist them?

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