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Jan 14, 2020 09:38:52   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
DASHY wrote:
The President was impeached despite Trump's obstruction of Congress by refusing to allow his closest aides to give testimony at the impeachment hearings. The Obstruction charge should be a slam dunk at the Senate trial. Unless the Senate trial turns into a farce when Leader Mitch McConnell (juror) says he will be taking marching orders from Trump (defendant). Before the trial even begins McConnell has stated he will not be fair.


What don't you understand about Executive Privilege? If the lynch mob had thought they had the slightest chance of winning in court they would have submitted their phony case for review. Now put that silly nonsense to rest.

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Jan 14, 2020 09:42:30   #
Lonewolf
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
The Senators should make their decision based on the articles of impeachment and the evidence the House Democrats used to pass them. It is not up to the Senate to help the House prove its case. The House must prove Trump guilty. It is not up to Trump or the Senate to prove him innocent. If the House cannot prove its case now without additional witnesses then it proves the impeachment was a farce. Of course, Democrats idea of fairness is that everything must be done their way.


So you want the senate to join the coverup ?

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Jan 14, 2020 09:44:46   #
Lonewolf
 
padremike wrote:
What don't you understand about Executive Privilege? If the lynch mob had thought they had the slightest chance of winning in court they would have submitted their phony case for review. Now put that silly nonsense to rest.


Executive privilege can't be use to coverup criminal act!
Withholding evidence from congress is an impeachbul offence !

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Jan 14, 2020 09:45:41   #
DASHY
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
Whine, whine, whine because the Senate will not conduct the same farce the House did.


In your reality, a juror taking orders from a defendant is business as usual? Trumpster all the way! In the real world that personal connection would be extremely rare.

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Jan 14, 2020 09:48:18   #
Liberty Tree
 
Lonewolf wrote:
So you want the senate to join the coverup ?


What coverup? The House could have called and subpoenaed any witness and now they want the Senate to do what it failed to do. Trump blocked no witness that was subpoenaed.

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Jan 14, 2020 09:57:22   #
Fodaoson Loc: South Texas
 
waltmoreno wrote:
I couldn’t agree with you more. As any trial lawyer knows, you never know what can of worms a witness will open, especially hostile witnesses. And the witnesses that are being named are all hostile witnesses. Tactics could include long delays, being outside the jurisdiction, or just plain going sideways with expected testimony. Meaning the impeachment fiasco would be front and center for God only knows how much longer.
As Nancy Pelosi has already told us, the Dem controlled House has succeeded in impeaching Trump. That can’t be undone. The smartest thing now is to summarily dispatch the articles of impeachment with a vote (along party lines) meaning there’s no way the Dems get the required 3/5s vote to impeach.
If there’s gonna be hell to pay against the Dems for bringing the articles up, have voters do it at the ballot box in November.
I couldn’t agree with you more. As any trial lawye... (show quote)


"get the required 3/5s vote to impeach." President Trump has been impeached,the Senate vote is to remove him from office

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Jan 14, 2020 09:58:53   #
amadjuster Loc: Texas Panhandle
 
DASHY wrote:
The President was impeached despite Trump's obstruction of Congress by refusing to allow his closest aides to give testimony at the impeachment hearings. The Obstruction charge should be a slam dunk at the Senate trial. Unless the Senate trial turns into a farce when Leader Mitch McConnell (juror) says he will be taking marching orders from Trump (defendant). Before the trial even begins McConnell has stated he will not be fair.


You live in an alternate universe.

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Jan 14, 2020 09:59:02   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
You are absolutely right, in as far as you went.

Actually, Liberty, those who now loosely call themselves Democrats long ago forewent any concept of "fairness," just as they foresook any concept of right and wrong or of good and evil.

They are totally about the acquisition of power and control, nothing more.

They single mindedly want to totally destroy President Trump, just as they want to destroy the Republican party.

Their world is totally about them, not the Republic, not the nation, not its citizens, only themselves!

The Republicans need to recognize this to be able to defend and preserve the concept of law and justice within this nation's government; they must become more aggressive in defending themselves, and by extension, their constituents, and immediately, they must defend their duly elected president.



Liberty Tree wrote:
The Senators should make their decision based on the articles of impeachment and the evidence the House Democrats used to pass them. It is not up to the Senate to help the House prove its case. The House must prove Trump guilty. It is not up to Trump or the Senate to prove him innocent. If the House cannot prove its case now without additional witnesses then it proves the impeachment was a farce. Of course, Democrats idea of fairness is that everything must be done their way.

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Jan 14, 2020 10:05:41   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
Lonewolf wrote:
Executive privilege can't be use to coverup criminal act!
Withholding evidence from congress is an impeachbul offence !


Leave it to you to always side to the negative. Executive privilege has a very legitimate use.

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Jan 14, 2020 10:11:51   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
Lonewolf wrote:
So you want the senate to join the coverup ?


Cover up? If Bolton testifies as a witness then Biden and son should also be called
IN FAIRNESS ....

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Jan 14, 2020 10:19:36   #
Pariahjf
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I don't think that's how it works...


Correct-----the Senate can do anything it wants to do during the trial.

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Jan 14, 2020 10:20:12   #
Pariahjf
 
padremike wrote:
Cover up? If Bolton testifies as a witness then Biden and son should also be called
IN FAIRNESS ....


Biden and son are not on trial here. Immaterial witnesses to the case.

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Jan 14, 2020 10:22:03   #
agatemaggot
 
YUP !

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Jan 14, 2020 10:30:58   #
PeterS
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
The Senators should make their decision based on the articles of impeachment and the evidence the House Democrats used to pass them. It is not up to the Senate to help the House prove its case. The House must prove Trump guilty. It is not up to Trump or the Senate to prove him innocent. If the House cannot prove its case now without additional witnesses then it proves the impeachment was a farce. Of course, Democrats' idea of fairness is that everything must be done their way.

Four Senate Republicans have already sided with the Democrats so a trial with witnesses is what you are going to have.

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Jan 14, 2020 10:34:52   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
Pariahjf wrote:
Biden and son are not on trial here. Immaterial witnesses to the case.


So you're qualified to make that determination based on your extremely limited knowledge? Did you forget that the President was interested in Ukrine corruption before he released the money? Did you forget Joe bragging about his own quid pro quo? Do you really believe Joe knew nothing about his son's businesses in Ukraine and China.

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