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Jan 13, 2020 23:25:39   #
America 1
 
The Olympics Bans Athlete Protests
But some athletes are already speaking out

Olympic protests
No taking a knee at the Olympics. No hand gestures with political meaning. No disrespect at medal ceremonies.

The International Olympic Committee published guidelines late last week specifying which types of athlete protests will not be allowed at the 2020 Tokyo Games in July.

The IOC said athletes are banned from protesting while on the field of play, in the Olympic Village and during medal ceremonies. They are allowed to express political opinions during press interviews (outside the Village) and on social media.

US women's soccer midfielder Megan Rapinoe responded on Twitter, "So much being done about the protests. So little being done about what we are protesting. We will not be silenced."

↦ FYI: American sprinters Tommie Smith and John Carlos were recently inducted into the Olympic Hall of Fame, 51 years after they raised their fists in protest of racial discrimination at the '68 Games.

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Jan 14, 2020 02:22:21   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
America 1 wrote:
The Olympics Bans Athlete Protests
But some athletes are already speaking out

Olympic protests
No taking a knee at the Olympics. No hand gestures with political meaning. No disrespect at medal ceremonies.

The International Olympic Committee published guidelines late last week specifying which types of athlete protests will not be allowed at the 2020 Tokyo Games in July.

The IOC said athletes are banned from protesting while on the field of play, in the Olympic Village and during medal ceremonies. They are allowed to express political opinions during press interviews (outside the Village) and on social media.

US women's soccer midfielder Megan Rapinoe responded on Twitter, "So much being done about the protests. So little being done about what we are protesting. We will not be silenced."

↦ FYI: American sprinters Tommie Smith and John Carlos were recently inducted into the Olympic Hall of Fame, 51 years after they raised their fists in protest of racial discrimination at the '68 Games.
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I am both glad and saddened by this...

The Olympics should always be a place for respect...

But I hate any limitations on free speech...

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Jan 14, 2020 06:03:48   #
American Vet
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I am both glad and saddened by this...

The Olympics should always be a place for respect...

But I hate any limitations on free speech...


I understand your concern about free speech. But what about the rights of a company/corporation/person? If you own a company, don't you have the right to require a certain level of performance and adherence to your company rules when you are at work - and possibly even when an employee is not 'on the clock'?

People who practice "free speech" when they are 'on the clock' may not being doing their job. Restricting speech while 'on the clock' is perfectly legal, acceptable, and actually necessary.

These athlete's free speech is not being stopped or interfered with; they can (possibly) say or do what they want ON THEIR OWN TIME.

Their actions/speech while participating as a member of the IOC is governed by the IOC rules.

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Jan 14, 2020 06:44:40   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
American Vet wrote:
I understand your concern about free speech. But what about the rights of a company/corporation/person? If you own a company, don't you have the right to require a certain level of performance and adherence to your company rules when you are at work - and possibly even when an employee is not 'on the clock'?

People who practice "free speech" when they are 'on the clock' may not being doing their job. Restricting speech while 'on the clock' is perfectly legal, acceptable, and actually necessary.

These athlete's free speech is not being stopped or interfered with; they can (possibly) say or do what they want ON THEIR OWN TIME.

Their actions/speech while participating as a member of the IOC is governed by the IOC rules.
I understand your concern about free speech. But w... (show quote)


If the Olympics were a company I would agree wholeheartedly...

They're not...

Yet I understand the reasoning behind their decision...

As I said, I'm conflicted...

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Jan 14, 2020 06:51:12   #
American Vet
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
If the Olympics were a company I would agree wholeheartedly...

They're not...

Yet I understand the reasoning behind their decision...

As I said, I'm conflicted...


True, they are not a 'company' in the strictest sense of the word - that's why I did not limit my comments to 'company'. The bottom line, they are an organization who has certain rules to follow if one chooses to be a part of the organization.

Those rules can govern speech, conduct, etc.

No one is forced to have a relationship with that, or any other, organization. But when one commits, the rules are part of the package. This is not an infringement on 'free speech'.

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Jan 14, 2020 07:02:31   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
American Vet wrote:
True, they are not a 'company' in the strictest sense of the word - that's why I did not limit my comments to 'company'. The bottom line, they are an organization who has certain rules to follow if one chooses to be a part of the organization.

Those rules can govern speech, conduct, etc.

No one is forced to have a relationship with that, or any other, organization. But when one commits, the rules are part of the package. This is not an infringement on 'free speech'.


Good point...

And yet this feels like the beginning of far more...

The Olympics have always been a platform for sharing...

And protests have often been part and parcel of the Olympics...

How far are we from censoring any arhlete who refuses to comply with the speech standards of the Olympic Committee?

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Jan 14, 2020 08:07:04   #
American Vet
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Good point...

And yet this feels like the beginning of far more...

The Olympics have always been a platform for sharing...

And protests have often been part and parcel of the Olympics...

How far are we from censoring any arhlete who refuses to comply with the speech standards of the Olympic Committee?


Already done.

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Jan 14, 2020 10:30:22   #
Kevyn
 
American Vet wrote:
I understand your concern about free speech. But what about the rights of a company/corporation/person? If you own a company, don't you have the right to require a certain level of performance and adherence to your company rules when you are at work - and possibly even when an employee is not 'on the clock'?

People who practice "free speech" when they are 'on the clock' may not being doing their job. Restricting speech while 'on the clock' is perfectly legal, acceptable, and actually necessary.

These athlete's free speech is not being stopped or interfered with; they can (possibly) say or do what they want ON THEIR OWN TIME.

Their actions/speech while participating as a member of the IOC is governed by the IOC rules.
I understand your concern about free speech. But w... (show quote)

The athletes are not employees, the IOC makes millions on their backs and extorts millions more from host cities. The Athletes need to resist this muzzling with every bit as much tenacity as they put into their performance. They spend a lifetime achieving these goals and when the spotlight is upon them they should use the moment as they please. Screw the IOC, power to the athletes!

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Jan 14, 2020 10:31:37   #
Kevyn
 
American Vet wrote:
True, they are not a 'company' in the strictest sense of the word - that's why I did not limit my comments to 'company'. The bottom line, they are an organization who has certain rules to follow if one chooses to be a part of the organization.

Those rules can govern speech, conduct, etc.

No one is forced to have a relationship with that, or any other, organization. But when one commits, the rules are part of the package. This is not an infringement on 'free speech'.


They are the only game in town, a complete monopoly, they are owed nothing. They strictly operate to line their pockets, the Russians openly cheat and are awarded the games. The Chinese are a brutal dictatorship and are awarded the games. The IOC needs to be taken down a few notched and the athletes with a backbone are the ones to do it.



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Jan 14, 2020 10:51:22   #
nwtk2007
 
America 1 wrote:
The Olympics Bans Athlete Protests
But some athletes are already speaking out

Olympic protests
No taking a knee at the Olympics. No hand gestures with political meaning. No disrespect at medal ceremonies.

The International Olympic Committee published guidelines late last week specifying which types of athlete protests will not be allowed at the 2020 Tokyo Games in July.

The IOC said athletes are banned from protesting while on the field of play, in the Olympic Village and during medal ceremonies. They are allowed to express political opinions during press interviews (outside the Village) and on social media.

US women's soccer midfielder Megan Rapinoe responded on Twitter, "So much being done about the protests. So little being done about what we are protesting. We will not be silenced."

↦ FYI: American sprinters Tommie Smith and John Carlos were recently inducted into the Olympic Hall of Fame, 51 years after they raised their fists in protest of racial discrimination at the '68 Games.
The Olympics Bans Athlete Protests br But some ath... (show quote)


I'm curious what Ms Rapinoe wants to protest. She seems less the protestor to me than the narcissist. What if she came out to protest freedom and the suppression of human rights as part of a belief in communism?? What if she wanted to protest the Islamic belief that homosexuality is wrong or any other Islamic belief that contradicts her current leftist views? How far can she go with that? Is she going to wave a gay rights flag? Is she going to rip off her top in protest of the inhibition of women covering their breasts??

Since this is a world wide stage and there are wildly differing beliefs, I agree with the Olympic committee.

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Jan 14, 2020 10:58:08   #
American Vet
 
Kevyn wrote:
The athletes are not employees, the IOC makes millions on their backs and extorts millions more from host cities. The Athletes need to resist this muzzling with every bit as much tenacity as they put into their performance. They spend a lifetime achieving these goals and when the spotlight is upon them they should use the moment as they please. Screw the IOC, power to the athletes!


Nothing was said about the athletes being employees. The IOC is the supreme authority of the worldwide modern Olympic Movement. They literally own the games and make the rules.

As with many things - no one is forced to participate. Don't like the rules? Then don't play.

The games are not the venue for venting one's personal opinion about subjects. Do that on your won time.

"The IOC was created by Pierre de Coubertin, on 23 June 1894 with Demetrios Vikelas as its first president. As of April 2019, its membership consists of 95 active members, 44 honorary members, an honorary president (Jacques Rogge) and two honour members (Henry Kissinger and Youssoupha Ndiaye).[4]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Olympic_Committee

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Jan 14, 2020 10:59:55   #
American Vet
 
Kevyn wrote:
They are the only game in town, a complete monopoly, they are owed nothing. They strictly operate to line their pockets, the Russians openly cheat and are awarded the games. The Chinese are a brutal dictatorship and are awarded the games. The IOC needs to be taken down a few notched and the athletes with a backbone are the ones to do it.


No need to take anything down: The Olympics have a certain set of standards and expect others to follow those standards.

Don't like them? Start your own games.

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Jan 14, 2020 12:43:05   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
America 1 wrote:
The Olympics Bans Athlete Protests
But some athletes are already speaking out

Olympic protests
No taking a knee at the Olympics. No hand gestures with political meaning. No disrespect at medal ceremonies.

The International Olympic Committee published guidelines late last week specifying which types of athlete protests will not be allowed at the 2020 Tokyo Games in July.

The IOC said athletes are banned from protesting while on the field of play, in the Olympic Village and during medal ceremonies. They are allowed to express political opinions during press interviews (outside the Village) and on social media.

US women's soccer midfielder Megan Rapinoe responded on Twitter, "So much being done about the protests. So little being done about what we are protesting. We will not be silenced."

↦ FYI: American sprinters Tommie Smith and John Carlos were recently inducted into the Olympic Hall of Fame, 51 years after they raised their fists in protest of racial discrimination at the '68 Games.
The Olympics Bans Athlete Protests br But some ath... (show quote)


Bet Rapinoe will behave unless she wins a medal, then she'll behave badly, cuz Trump will still be president. Wonder if CA will clean up the city or let it get worse?

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Jan 14, 2020 12:59:41   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
I'm curious what Ms Rapinoe wants to protest. She seems less the protestor to me than the narcissist. What if she came out to protest freedom and the suppression of human rights as part of a belief in communism?? What if she wanted to protest the Islamic belief that homosexuality is wrong or any other Islamic belief that contradicts her current leftist views? How far can she go with that? Is she going to wave a gay rights flag? Is she going to rip off her top in protest of the inhibition of women covering their breasts??

Since this is a world wide stage and there are wildly differing beliefs, I agree with the Olympic committee.
I'm curious what Ms Rapinoe wants to protest. She... (show quote)


It probably has to do with branding her product endorsements. Money honey, and she's just copying the bad boys of sports like Kapernick and others.

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Jan 14, 2020 13:01:32   #
nwtk2007
 
Peewee wrote:
It probably has to do with branding her product endorsements. Money honey, and she's just copying the bad boys of sports like Kapernick and others.


My thoughts exactly!!!!!!!!

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