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Jan 13, 2020 10:46:50   #
Carol Kelly
 
One question, which do you think is gaining in strength? Opinions, please.

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Jan 13, 2020 11:05:28   #
Seth
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
One question, which do you think is gaining in strength? Opinions, please.


I would have to say NATO, as the EU's refugee policy alone is eroding the previous cohesion between member nations, whereas NATO has grown in membership in recent years -- as a caveat, though, I don't see its growth as entirely wholesome, as it were, because a few smaller Baltic states, while relatively easy pickings for a Russian invasion/ takeover due to their geographic locations, couldn't contribute much to a war effort where Article 5 is concerned yet warrant the full force of NATO protection, and I believe admitting Turkey was a mistake: Erdogan's ambition of building another Ottoman Empire and his purchasing, contrary to NATO protocol, non-NATO (in fact, Russian) military technology is less than assuring.

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Jan 13, 2020 11:20:10   #
Kevyn
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
One question, which do you think is gaining in strength? Opinions, please.


Both the EU and NATO have suffered, and done so to Russia’s benefit since the I***t Pumpkinfuhrer’s c****ation at Putins bequest. Our next president has got a hell of a mess to clean up.

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Jan 13, 2020 11:23:48   #
Seth
 
Kevyn wrote:
Both the EU and NATO have suffered, and done so to Russia’s benefit since the I***t Pumpkinfuhrer’s c****ation at Putins bequest. Our next president has got a hell of a mess to clean up.


Can you explain your statements, there, Kevyn? How either has "suffered" because of President Trump and what "mess" will have to be cleaned up, or is that just more of your drooling, anti-Trump snivelling?

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Jan 13, 2020 11:34:48   #
Pariahjf
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
One question, which do you think is gaining in strength? Opinions, please.


NATO, due to Brexit and financial difficulties among some of the EU nations.

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Jan 13, 2020 12:23:27   #
Carol Kelly
 
Seth wrote:
I would have to say NATO, as the EU's refugee policy alone is eroding the previous cohesion between member nations, whereas NATO has grown in membership in recent years -- as a caveat, though, I don't see its growth as entirely wholesome, as it were, because a few smaller Baltic states, while relatively easy pickings for a Russian invasion/ takeover due to their geographic locations, couldn't contribute much to a war effort where Article 5 is concerned yet warrant the full force of NATO protection, and I believe admitting Turkey was a mistake: Erdogan's ambition of building another Ottoman Empire and his purchasing, contrary to NATO protocol, non-NATO (in fact, Russian) military technology is less than assuring.
I would have to say NATO, as the EU's refugee poli... (show quote)


Admitting Turkey was a huuuge mistake. The Baltic states are very vulnerable with Sweden having been taken over by Muslims and the offshore islands unprotected due to Sweden outside the NATO community. The efforts of the g****l w*****g group are also disastrous.

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Jan 13, 2020 12:26:14   #
Carol Kelly
 
The EU was the takeover planned by Hitler and put in place by Angela Merkel, the
the C*******t leader of Germany. How could she be anything else growing up and being educated throughUniversity by the C*******t regime in East Germany?

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Jan 13, 2020 12:26:32   #
Kevyn
 
Seth wrote:
Can you explain your statements, there, Kevyn? How either has "suffered" because of President Trump and what "mess" will have to be cleaned up, or is that just more of your drooling, anti-Trump snivelling?

Your I***t Pumpkinfuhrer encouraged Brexit causing terrible harm to the EU, reducing their strength and solidarity, further he supports authoritarian regimes in Poland and Hungary that are dismantling their new and fragile democracies. This damages The EU as an institution that promotes and expands western values of democracy and freedom. As far as NATO, the Cheeto faced S**tgibbon has insulted our allies, suggested the alliance was unnecessary claimed members were not paying non existent dues when they were increasing military spending in accordance with agreements they came to before he took office. He has kissed our adversary’s arse in Helsinki in a groveling act of contrition. The most offensive aspect of Trumps disrespect for our allies is that they continue to fight next to our service members in Afghanistan and have for nearly two decades at a cost of over a thousand lives and thousands wounded. Trump is clueless as to diplomacy, an embarrassing laughing stock and buffoon on the world stage.

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Jan 13, 2020 12:36:28   #
F.D.R.
 
Seth wrote:
I would have to say NATO, as the EU's refugee policy alone is eroding the previous cohesion between member nations, whereas NATO has grown in membership in recent years -- as a caveat, though, I don't see its growth as entirely wholesome, as it were, because a few smaller Baltic states, while relatively easy pickings for a Russian invasion/ takeover due to their geographic locations, couldn't contribute much to a war effort where Article 5 is concerned yet warrant the full force of NATO protection, and I believe admitting Turkey was a mistake: Erdogan's ambition of building another Ottoman Empire and his purchasing, contrary to NATO protocol, non-NATO (in fact, Russian) military technology is less than assuring.
I would have to say NATO, as the EU's refugee poli... (show quote)


Both the EU and NATO are suffering and will continue to weaken due to the influx from the mid east and Africa. I believe Russia will begin to court better relations with the US in a few years as Muslims begin to take over countries in the EU which would give them access to the military. I would suggest that the US begin a slow withdrawal of nuclear assets from western Europe as well as our more advanced tech weapons. As the Muslim populations grow so to will their ambition putting pressure on east Asia. India, China, Japan, Korea etc will feel the need to cooperate along with the US, Russia and Israel and some others for an eventual show down with the Muslim world.

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Jan 13, 2020 16:16:46   #
Seth
 
F.D.R. wrote:
Both the EU and NATO are suffering and will continue to weaken due to the influx from the mid east and Africa. I believe Russia will begin to court better relations with the US in a few years as Muslims begin to take over countries in the EU which would give them access to the military. I would suggest that the US begin a slow withdrawal of nuclear assets from western Europe as well as our more advanced tech weapons. As the Muslim populations grow so to will their ambition putting pressure on east Asia. India, China, Japan, Korea etc will feel the need to cooperate along with the US, Russia and Israel and some others for an eventual show down with the Muslim world.
Both the EU and NATO are suffering and will contin... (show quote)


I can see that happening. The fact that certain former avowed enemies of Israel such as the Saudis, Egypt and Jordan are now cooperating with Netaniahu because of the threat to all of them posed by Iran demonstrates that such alliances are more than possible.

The demographic invasion of Europe by Muslims is certainly already opening a lot of eyes throughout the continent as evidenced by the backlash from former Eastern Bloc countries and Italy, and Russia's already had its fill of problems with its own homegrown varieties since the USSR went Chapter 11.

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Jan 13, 2020 16:41:26   #
Seth
 
Kevyn wrote:
Your I***t Pumpkinfuhrer encouraged Brexit causing terrible harm to the EU, reducing their strength and solidarity, further he supports authoritarian regimes in Poland and Hungary that are dismantling their new and fragile democracies. This damages The EU as an institution that promotes and expands western values of democracy and freedom. As far as NATO, the Cheeto faced S**tgibbon has insulted our allies, suggested the alliance was unnecessary claimed members were not paying non existent dues when they were increasing military spending in accordance with agreements they came to before he took office. He has kissed our adversary’s arse in Helsinki in a groveling act of contrition. The most offensive aspect of Trumps disrespect for our allies is that they continue to fight next to our service members in Afghanistan and have for nearly two decades at a cost of over a thousand lives and thousands wounded. Trump is clueless as to diplomacy, an embarrassing laughing stock and buffoon on the world stage.
Your I***t Pumpkinfuhrer encouraged Brexit causing... (show quote)


Okay, so let's see if I can t***slate this tangled bag of seething Trump hatred.

The majority of Brit v**ers opted to leave the EU and reclaim their sovereignty and national identity from a gaggle of g*******t bureaucrats in Belgium. This is Trump's fault, part of some ongoing diabolical plot that defines his presidency.

The Poles and Hungarians (don't forget Austria), seeing the essentially tragic effects over-immigration by Islamic refugees is having on much of Europe, have decided that learning from others' mistakes is infinitely more attractive than emulating them. Once again, Trump is the fiendish mastermind behind this heinous turn of events.

These developments endanger the New World Order and the universal socialism that would be one of its key elements, another malevolent product of the evil Trump's master plan.

As for NATO, Trump, messenger from hell, has dared the unthinkable, wrenching the very souls from Germany and other members by demanding that they pay their requisite 2% of GDP to support an alliance that was created mainly to protect them from a Russian invasion.

Finally, the unthinkable, most universally and eternally damning crime against humanity committed by the satanic Trump: Beating Hillary Clinton in the 2016 e******n.

I think that should pretty well cover your enraged snivel. 😎

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Jan 14, 2020 10:40:41   #
FallenOak Loc: St George Utah
 
He has kissed our adversary’s arse in Helsinki in a groveling act of contrition.
Sir,
I always hesitate to answer you because of your 'poisoning the well' blurb at the bottom of your posts but I think you need to be reminded that obama kissed ass first in japan at Hiroshima. Truman was not afraid to stop the japanese war machine. Remember that American lives were saved by Truman's order.

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Jan 14, 2020 17:28:52   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
One question, which do you think is gaining in strength? Opinions, please.


NATO has us in it. Plus the other countries are contributing more. The EU with its open borders is slowly (not so slowly) dying. I saw a picture years ago of girls holding a sign"refugees welcome and said to my friend 'future rape victims.' Guess what? They were.

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Jan 15, 2020 14:39:23   #
Carol Kelly
 
F.D.R. wrote:
Both the EU and NATO are suffering and will continue to weaken due to the influx from the mid east and Africa. I believe Russia will begin to court better relations with the US in a few years as Muslims begin to take over countries in the EU which would give them access to the military. I would suggest that the US begin a slow withdrawal of nuclear assets from western Europe as well as our more advanced tech weapons. As the Muslim populations grow so to will their ambition putting pressure on east Asia. India, China, Japan, Korea etc will feel the need to cooperate along with the US, Russia and Israel and some others for an eventual show down with the Muslim world.
Both the EU and NATO are suffering and will contin... (show quote)


Right on point!

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Jan 15, 2020 14:39:57   #
Carol Kelly
 
Lt. Rob Polans ret. wrote:
NATO has us in it. Plus the other countries are contributing more. The EU with its open borders is slowly (not so slowly) dying. I saw a picture years ago of girls holding a sign"refugees welcome and said to my friend 'future rape victims.' Guess what? They were.



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