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Jan 13, 2020 04:09:09   #
JW
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
And it would have been justifiable to respond to those attacks...

But assassination is quite different...

And the Iraqis seem a little miffed about it...


The assassination aspect bothers me too. However, Trump has said if we are going to fight, we fight to win, and I am in full agreement with that attitude. I am s**k of US involvement every time someone insults someone else. Pick the fight and win as soon as possible or stay out of it.

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Jan 13, 2020 04:10:30   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
JW wrote:
The assassination aspect bothers me too. However, Trump has said if we are going to fight, we fight to win, and I am in full agreement with that attitude. I am s**k of US involvement every time someone insults someone else. Pick the fight and win as soon as possible or stay out of it.


I understand the mentality... And agree...

But another conflixt in the ME doesn't appeal to me...

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Jan 13, 2020 04:14:12   #
JW
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I understand the mentality... And agree...

But another conflixt in the ME doesn't appeal to me...


Neither do I find it appealing, but wars without winners never end.

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Jan 13, 2020 05:28:05   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
JW wrote:
Neither do I find it appealing, but wars without winners never end.


There's the rub..

When's the last time the US successfully fought a war to its "end"?

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Jan 13, 2020 07:45:18   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I understand the mentality... And agree...

But another conflixt in the ME doesn't appeal to me...


Sounds like you're going down the road to appeasement !

Iran is the biggest supporter of terrorism !

SO what are your rules for engaging terrorist ?

What would you do ?

By what rules would you go by ?

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Jan 13, 2020 09:11:33   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
4430 wrote:
Sounds like you're going down the road to appeasement !

Iran is the biggest supporter of terrorism !

SO what are your rules for engaging terrorist ?

What would you do ?

By what rules would you go by ?


Afghanistan was the biggest supporters of terrorism...

Then it was Iraq...

Now it's Iran...

Wonder who it will be next...

Appeasement?

How so?

By allowing a nation to participate freely in world trade? Oh the evil...

My rules for engaging terrorists?
1. Stop creating them...
2. Remove oneself from their land...
3. Protect one's own borders...
4. Refrain from engaging in terrorist activities... Hypocrisy is a b***h...

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Jan 13, 2020 10:01:41   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Afghanistan was the biggest supporters of terrorism...

Then it was Iraq...

Now it's Iran...

Wonder who it will be next...

Appeasement?

How so?

By allowing a nation to participate freely in world trade? Oh the evil...

My rules for engaging terrorists?
1. Stop creating them...
2. Remove oneself from their land...
3. Protect one's own borders...
4. Refrain from engaging in terrorist activities... Hypocrisy is a b***h...


Your rules are interesting to say the least !

#1 & 2 I guess Obama had the right idea of allowing Iran to have Nukes then they could finally have a way to wipe Israel off the map so America would have to look the other way and not support Israel .

Taking a passive retreat and giving the Muslims free hand to cleanse the world of all non Muslims and allowing them to K**l all Jews !

# 3 Well that's going to be hard to do since the l*****t progressives in America are trying their best to allow everyone to come here illegally !

# 4 I guess to stop terrorism America will have to become Muslim from what 4 Muslims that elected to Congress who claim they will not assimilate to America but America will assimilate to Islam and if that happens then Canada will follow suit as they will have not choice .

Passive appeasement will never work if freedom loving people aren't willing to stand up against people who desire to take complete control and make everyone convert to their evil so called religion !

I'm amazed how many folks think America is evil for standing up against people that want to destroy freedom and make them bow to and accept Islam of die !

I wonder how many women in the free world would love to be able to go out in public only if they were to be covered head to toe ! My guess very few if any !

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Jan 13, 2020 18:43:35   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
4430 wrote:
Your rules are interesting to say the least !


Certainly... They involve respect and perspective...

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#1 & 2 I guess Obama had the right idea of allowing Iran to have Nukes then they could finally have a way to wipe Israel off the map so America would have to look the other way and not support Israel .


Name a single president that has prebented any nation from developing nukes?

Obama's actions (much as I disagreed with them) were hardly appeasement...

Not sure how you read failing to support Israel in what I wrote... Care to expand?

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Taking a passive retreat and giving the Muslims free hand to cleanse the world of all non Muslims and allowing them to K**l all Jews !


Hmmm.... See, the problem is that that statement is just silly... Muslims controlled Jerusalem for over a thousand years and there were still Christians and Jews living there... Just one example...

It appears you believe that we are involved in A "crusade" against the entirety of Islam... Great mentality that will no doubt end in peace...

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# 3 Well that's going to be hard to do since the l*****t progressives in America are trying their best to allow everyone to come here illegally !


Now you're conflating illegal border crossings (the majority of whom are Christians, by a large margin) with immigration from the ME..

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# 4 I guess to stop terrorism America will have to become Muslim from what 4 Muslims that elected to Congress who claim they will not assimilate to America but America will assimilate to Islam and if that happens then Canada will follow suit as they will have not choice .


Chuckles... This was so patently absurd as to tickle my sense of humor...

America can stop fighting pseudo-wars in the ME and arming insurgents, no more drone strikes on hospitals or schools, maybe stop k*****g folk who are located on the other side of the world....

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Passive appeasement will never work if freedom loving people aren't willing to stand up against people who desire to take complete control and make everyone convert to their evil so called religion !


I'm not sure what you're getting at here... Islam has coexisted with numerous faighs for over 1400 years... There are examples of barbarity and intolerance, but they are found within all religions, including Christianity...

If you love freedom, then you must extend it towards others...

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I'm amazed how many folks think America is evil for standing up against people that want to destroy freedom and make them bow to and accept Islam of die !


Meanwhile allying with the same folk... Nothing hypocritical there...

Iranians evil... Saudis good...???????

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I wonder how many women in the free world would love to be able to go out in public only if they were to be covered head to toe ! My guess very few if any !


Those laws exist in two of the dozens of Muslim nations... And both are recent developments in the history of Islam... But don't let facts conflate with your worldview....

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Jan 13, 2020 19:21:34   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Those laws exist in two of the dozens of Muslim nations... And both are recent developments in the history of Islam... But don't let facts conflate with your worldview....



America can stop fighting pseudo-wars in the ME and arming insurgents, no more drone strikes on hospitals or schools, maybe stop k*****g folk who are located on the other side of the world....

I've never heard of American drone strikes hitting hospitals or schools which sadly has happened when Israel fights back when their hospitals and schools have been hit !

Ever wonder why the Muslims place their rockets near those places ?

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Jan 13, 2020 19:39:34   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
4430 wrote:
America can stop fighting pseudo-wars in the ME and arming insurgents, no more drone strikes on hospitals or schools, maybe stop k*****g folk who are located on the other side of the world....

I've never heard of American drone strikes hitting hospitals or schools which sadly has happened when Israel fights back when their hospitals and schools have been hit !

Ever wonder why the Muslims place their rockets near those places ?


You're kidding right?

Where do you get your news?

Just google drone strikes, hospitals, middle East...

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Jan 13, 2020 19:41:39   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
4430 wrote:
America can stop fighting pseudo-wars in the ME and arming insurgents, no more drone strikes on hospitals or schools, maybe stop k*****g folk who are located on the other side of the world....

I've never heard of American drone strikes hitting hospitals or schools which sadly has happened when Israel fights back when their hospitals and schools have been hit !

Ever wonder why the Muslims place their rockets near those places ?


Here's the first one that came up when I googled...


https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/04/world/asia/afghanistan-bombing-hospital-doctors-without-borders-kunduz.html



And here is another...

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2019/dec/06/afghan-families-torn-apart-drone-strikes-picture-essay

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Jan 13, 2020 19:47:14   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Wow. NY Times and the Guardian. I guess they could be legit but it doesn’t get much more anti-Trump than them.

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Jan 13, 2020 19:50:45   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
You're kidding right?

Where do you get your news?

Just google drone strikes, hospitals, middle East...


Don’t know about you but I have relation who have been deployed and fought over there. The Islamists do use hospitals, schools, and mosques to stage out of, often.

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Jan 13, 2020 19:57:16   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
JFlorio wrote:
Wow. NY Times and the Guardian. I guess they could be legit but it doesn’t get much more anti-Trump than them.


Since we're not discussing Trump, who cares...

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Jan 13, 2020 19:58:30   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
JFlorio wrote:
Don’t know about you but I have relation who have been deployed and fought over there. The Islamists do use hospitals, schools, and mosques to stage out of, often.


And other times there are accidents...

But read your statement again...

Over there...

This is my point...

We shouldn't be over there...

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