4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory

You present yourself in a confusing way !

So if the General was label an enemy combatant Or a hostile target then it'd have been ok to take him out but not if he was labeled a terrorist as terrorist leadership are off limits !

You mentioned we aren't playing by the rules and I asked what the rules were but you've not answered !

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

If his actions as a general denote him as a terrorist then the US is also a terrorist nation...

If America was looking for a war with Iran then taking out a hostile combatant was fine...

It's the double standards that I object to...

I believe I did answer, but perhaps I am thinking of a different thread...

Drone striking a government official, on a third party nation's territory without notifying that nation, and k*****g not only the designated target but also members of the third party nation, on the pretense that one is taking out a "terrorist" is completely beyond the "rules"...

What the US has basically done is validate all terrorists and their actions... Any Nation may now declare the US a terrorist Nation and label any attack as a strike against terrorism...

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Yeah, turning a subhuman cockroach into Hadji Hamburger was really messy.

We know what this Iranian terrorist has done, we know what he intended to do, and we knew where he was at that moment. We should have sent some Girl Scouts to him, see if he would enjoy some cookies. Alice B. Toklas brownies would probably have been a big hit.

FYI: Soleimani was the commander of Iran's Quds Force, a division primarily responsible for extraterritorial military and clandestine operations. He was considered the second most powerful person in Iran behind Ayatollah Khamenei, as well as being his right-hand man. He was not "visiting a third party nation", he was in Iraq to organize Shiite m*****as, plan attacks, and commit murder.

Allahu snackbar!

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Have another keg of PC, bro.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Here's the reality, PR.

Over the years, the United States has built a formidable intelligence network in the ME - CIA field offices and agents, military intelligence assets, indigenous operatives (Muslims), and cooperation with foreign intelligence agencies. These dedicated people have been keeping their fingers on the pulse of affairs in the ME. They are keeping president Trump, the DOD, and military commanders well informed about what's going on over there.

If the United States pulls our military forces out of the ME, particularly Iraq and Syria, and brings the troops home - all of them, air, land and sea - then our intelligence networks in the region will be seriously hamstrung. Intelligence stations will shut down, field agents will be pulled out or sent to embassies for wh**ever protections they might provide, indigenous operatives will be cut loose and on their own, and we will be blind, we won't have a clue what's going on over there.

Iranian Islamists have been chanting "Death to America" and k*****g Americans for four decades, seems prudent to keep a close eye on those bastards and to maintain a military presence capable of smoking them immediately if they finally decide to walk the walk.

In 2003, a 25 year veteran CIA case officer wrote a book called "See No Evil". He operated in every middle eastern s**thole imaginable. He wrote the book to document how the Clinton administration did exactly what I just described. Clinton despised the idea of exposing CIA agents and their operatives to constant danger, he and his advisors felt that technological surveillance such as satellite imagery and electronic intercepts with analyses by the map reading brainiacs at Langley was far superior to boots on the ground. When this happened, actionable intelligence dwindled to a drip. CIA stations were closed, agents withdrawn, operatives cut loose - some to pay the price. He describes how the CIA steadily degenerated from a potent human-intelligence resource that often saved or spared lives, to a people-shy, satellite-obsessed, and politically oriented branch of a centralized government.

He discussed the extent to which the Iranian Revolutionary Guard has been involved in anti-American terrorist activity, most publicly in the 1983 Beirut barracks bombing, but also in a far more diverse range of terrorist operations.

From The Preface
This book is a memoir of one foot soldier’s career in the other cold war, the one against terrorist networks. It’s a story about places most Americans will never travel to, about people many Americans would prefer to think we don’t need to do business with.

This memoir, I hope, will show the reader how spying is supposed to work, where the CIA lost its way, and how we can bring it back again. But I hope this book will accomplish one more purpose as well: I hope it will show why I am angry about what happened to the CIA. And I want to show why every American and everyone who cares about the preservation of this country should be angry and alarmed, too.

The CIA was systematically destroyed by political correctness, by petty Beltway wars, by careerism, and much more. At a time when terrorist threats were compounding globally, the agency that should have been monitoring them was being scrubbed clean instead. Americans were making too much money to bother. Life was good. The White House and the National Security Council became cathedrals of commerce where the interests of big business outweighed the interests of protecting American citizens at home and abroad. Defanged and dispirited, the CIA went along for the ride. And then on September 11, 2001, the reckoning for such vast carelessness was presented for all the world to see.

4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory

So what is your way of dealing with the problem that the west has with middle eastern people that are living 1400 yrs behind time and think it's their right to k**l all Jews and anyone in the west for that matter that does not fit into their way of living !

Would you be satisfied if America would pull out of the middle east and stops taking out their k*****g organizations leaderships ?

Sounds like a wonderful idea but it'll never happen even of they could wipe Israel off the map as they would love to do and if America stood back and let them do it they still will not stop till they convert the world to Islam !

I have a friend in Canada and he is appalled what is happening with all the influx of these people is making are making just like those coming here to the US .

I just heard a muslim woman speak at a school board meeting that they were going to make America into their way of life not the other way around !

We have 4 that got v**ed into congress that say the same thing and yet the west pays no attention to them I look for this garbage to start here in the US sometime down the road and many who lack the backbone will bow down to them as many are already doing now !

History has proven time ans time again that appeasement never works when dealing with evil people !

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Like the CIA...

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Actually his actions are much different. He was head of an organization that purposefully target innocent civilians. Our Generals don’t do that. Comparing this scum to any of our generals is an insult to the U.S.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Enjoy the koolaid bro....

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

When the US supplies and trains insurgents and innocent people are k**led as a result it is the same thing...

There is no insult in stating facts...

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Lol...

Muslims have been in control of the ME for 1400 years and there are still Jews and Christians there... Muslims must really suck at genocide...

Yes... Pull out and stop interfering with their nations...

Simple solution...

That worked up until about 70 years ago... When we started interfering in their nations...

Canada doesn't have an influx....
Perhaps your friend is unaware of the i*********n l*ws of our nation...





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JW

I agree with your assessment of Suleimani. He was a General fighting a war. However, he was the aggressor/invader because his actions were entirely outside the boundaries of his country, as far as the interests of the USA were concerned. He came after us. We did not attack his country. Perhaps we should have and perhaps we can fault Jimmy Carter for failing to resolve the Iranian issue way back when. However, we did not go into his domain to terminate him. We terminated him in our domain.

His attacks on US interests and our people needed not be tolerated. His actions constituted terrorism and that makes him a terrorist.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

This is an honest assessment...

Although I would disagree that Iraq constitutes a US domain... As the Iraqi people would as well...

Iran supports the enemies of America...
America supports the enemies of Iran...
Or occasionally they or against a common enemy...

Well said...

JW

On the night it happened we were in Iraq with the permission of the Iraqi government. We may be there as a proxy but we were there with permission and we are being attacked there by Iranian and Iranian backed forces. (The General was in Iraq.)

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

And it would have been justifiable to respond to those attacks...

But assassination is quite different...

And the Iraqis seem a little miffed about it...