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Did we just get an Archduke Ferninand Moment compliments of Trump?
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Jan 3, 2020 19:35:33   #
rumitoid
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
Democrats are ok with stopping him. They are just not ok with Trump doing it. Obama was their big hero when Bin Laden died.


That is so weak to avoid the enormous implications of this act not just for our security but the world's

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Jan 3, 2020 19:36:29   #
rumitoid
 
padremike wrote:
Before I answer I would like to hear who your loyalty and allegiance belongs to.


As always, country.

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Jan 3, 2020 19:37:33   #
Liberty Tree
 
rumitoid wrote:
As always, country.


Which country?

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Jan 3, 2020 19:38:41   #
rumitoid
 
Weewillynobeerspilly wrote:
Hell yea it was the right thing to do. .....i would have pulled the trigger myself and grinned......but you already knew my answer.


Yes, and I would have wanted to do the same, happily. But that is not the America that I know and respect and pledge my allegiance.

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Jan 3, 2020 19:40:06   #
rumitoid
 
dongreen76 wrote:
No,this is not a situation that could potentially escalate into a world war as WW 1 , because it was committed against the Greatest Blusterering Bravadoseier of all time.If they were going to declare War ,they would have done it by now.This does not mean that allied secular forces should not stay on their guard.They probably will continue with business as usual,random terrorist terrorists acts here and there.
Even though it was reported that Russia, Iran,N Korea,and China were holding coordinated joint military excercises-theres has been no reaction from these parties, evidently this is not a crucial enough incident to warrant even their remotes of responses from Iranian allies.
So far as it being ethically, morally,and strategically the right thing to do,my question is this-if this man was so antagonististic and such a threat,toward Americans and Amaricans alike why is it for the most part,he was relatively unknown-first I've heard of him.
No,this is not a situation that could potentially ... (show quote)

Keep this thought: Due Process.

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Jan 3, 2020 19:43:50   #
EmilyD
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
What happened to being on the fence? I knew this was your position all along. You are such a phony pretending to be objective.

Of course he was not "on the fence" - he just wanted to start yet another thread to criticize Trump.
Phony is exactly correct.....also hypocrite.

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Jan 3, 2020 19:46:51   #
rumitoid
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
What happened to being on the fence? I knew this was your position all along. You are such a phony pretending to be objective.


You are right. The absurdity and sick responses defending the president of this grossly negligent action pushed me over the edge, but I already said I was leaning that way. Was hoping to hear something of a reasonable defense--and got just party-line BS. Sorry, I was more than willing to listen, but you guys said nothing.

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Jan 3, 2020 19:48:27   #
rumitoid
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
Which country?


Haha, a good one. America.

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Jan 3, 2020 19:55:07   #
rumitoid
 
EmilyD wrote:
Of course he was not "on the fence" - he just wanted to start yet another thread to criticize Trump.
Phony is exactly correct.....also hypocrite.


Somewhat true. That this man was responsible for k*****g Americans and plotting to do the same, had me favor his death. What decent person in America would not? Yet, in my eyes, his death desecrated our Constitution, the rule of law that our Republic is based on. It is much like when Republican Law and Order guys howl and whine over a criminal getting off on a technicality. What is that technicality? Our Constitution.

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Jan 3, 2020 19:57:47   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
rumitoid wrote:
I am somewhat on the fence about the assassination of Iranian general, Qasem Soleimani. The arguments pro and con are somewhat a wash, though I lean that it was wrong and a direct threat to national security...and worse. I am tempted to give the reasons for my lean towards it being wrong, and the split on the topic seems to go along party lines, yet I want to hear what you think. Was it or wasn't the right thing to do ethically, morally, and strategically?


"Did we just get an Archduke Ferninand Moment compliments of Trump?"

Naw, the Archduke wasn't trying to k**l Americans.

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Jan 3, 2020 20:00:03   #
EmilyD
 
rumitoid wrote:
You are right. The absurdity and sick responses defending the president of this grossly negligent action pushed me over the edge, but I already said I was leaning that way. Was hoping to hear something of a reasonable defense--and got just party-line BS. Sorry, I was more than willing to listen, but you guys said nothing.

He was in Baghdad just leaving the Airport on his way to encourage the terrorists that were attacking our embassy. The Iranian terrorists (no, they were NOT "protesters") breached the Green Zone, which is American soil. Solemani was already responsible for thousands of American deaths. Trump was not going to let him have even one more American death - and he decided he did not want another B******i, so he sent Marines and many other military immediately to defend our embassy and Americans who were in it. He was defending the lives of Americans - it is what he is SUPPOSED to do. Too bad you don't want to believe that he really means it when he says to our enemies that he has our backs. He really does love his country and us Americans. I, for one, am very....VERY appreciative of his loyalty to us. If international law needs to be broken because of that, than so be it. As Trump has said many times, our country and it's people come first. There can't be too many assassinations of terrorist enemies as far as I'm concerned.

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Jan 3, 2020 20:03:09   #
rumitoid
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
"Did we just get an Archduke Ferninand Moment compliments of Trump?"

Naw, the Archduke wasn't trying to k**l Americans.


But it is the same lawlessness, get that? No matter what the reasons, no matter what the reasons.

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Jan 3, 2020 20:04:49   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
rumitoid wrote:
Would you have approved of k*****g, without trial, anyone accused of murder or plotting to commit it? Bundy, for instance. Screw our laws and Constitution? It seems so. Abandon the structure of our Republic, that has secured our nation for over 200 years, To carry out an illegal vendetta?


We are in a declared war on terrorism. Nothing illegal about what he did.
If you think Trump keeps doing illegal things while in office and is such a big threat to the peace and security of the nation, then why doesn't Pelosi move forward with the impeachment. I would think she would be anxious and want to get this over with quickly so he can't do any more damage, in their eyes, to this country. Phony baloney Pelosi.

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Jan 3, 2020 20:07:58   #
EmilyD
 
dtucker300 wrote:
We are in a declared war on terrorism. Nothing illegal about what he did.
If you think Trump keeps doing illegal things while in office and is such a big threat to the peace and security of the nation, then why doesn't Pelosi move forward with the impeachment. I would think she would be anxious and want to get this over with quickly so he can't do any more damage, in their eyes, to this country. Phony baloney Pelosi.

Her "this is urgent and we have to get it done quickly in the name of national security" speech didn't hold much water, did it. In fact, it went over like a lead balloon. Now they're saying she might never send it to the Senate for trial!

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Jan 3, 2020 20:48:40   #
Rose42
 
rumitoid wrote:
Think about law and order. That is the fundamental basis of our Republic. We are not a government that assassinates enemies in undeclared wars, no matter how much he deserved. It was flat-out wrong, and if you agree with that action you spit not only on our Constitution but all principles of liberty. We are based, or were, on due process. Trump spits on that basic right.


Wrong. This country has indeed done that. By siding with a terrorist you spit on all his victims. Shame on you.

The Obama administration classified him as a terrorist.

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