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Jan 1, 2020 16:09:11   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Please put down wh**ever you are consuming. True, it is getting worse, but criticism of the POTUS started with the first e******ns. What did change in 2019 is the way investigations into impeachable offences are carried out. From this year forward, look for tax payer money to be spent/wasted every year to oust the sitting president for real, imaginary, or simple hear say. Let that sink in....the House will spend each year in tracking down phantom complaints, do not look for real needs to be addressed....and do not look for fairness!

Do not blame the founders for this nonsense, this "birth" into chaos belongs to us because we allowed its birth, went along to get along. No turning back....look at history, how long did it take to subjugate the south after the war of aggression? If you say 10, 20, 30 years....you are wrong, that war still rages, not with muskets but in mistrust and h**e. And, what Democrats created this year adds to the pyre. To put it back to how our founders intended is akin to putting toothpaste back into the tube. It can not be done.
Please put down wh**ever you are consuming. True,... (show quote)


Spot On

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Jan 1, 2020 16:12:45   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
woodguru wrote:
That house impeachment was the information gathering part, and there was no cooperation from the white house, GOP, or DOJ...in spite of that, and the GOP having no interest in participating in getting to the bottom of the t***h, there was plenty that came to light.

What the left is advocating is an actual trial, a fair one that forces senators as jurors to look at the facts in a way that republicans refused to do in the investigation stage. They can continue to run their lame rhetorical defense and a prosecution gets to roll out the evidence and facts in a timeline manner that destroys the simple rhetoric used as a defense.

The statement about a blind v**e is simply stating how that would go, the GOP is ready to be done with this clown.
That house impeachment was the information gatheri... (show quote)


Actually, the House's responsibility has 3 phases: 1, initiation of the impeachment process; (2) Judiciary Committee investigation, hearings, and markup of articles of impeachment; and (3) full House consideration of the articles of impeachment. In the case of President Trump, the House repeated phase 1 on an almost monthly timeline starting before he was sworn in. Phase 2 was incomplete as they did not question or interview anyone who disagreed or promoted a notion that the "phone call" was misunderstood or incorrectly surmised by the Democrats. This would have REQUIRED Schitt to allow witnesses called by Republicans. And phase 3 requires all available information, both pro and con, to be examined and weighted. Again, Nader shut down most questions raised by Republicans. So.....did they do their job as outlined in the 2019 The Impeachment Process in the House of Representatives. Absolutely not. They failed to approach the impeachment without bias or a predetermined outcome. Link to Process House of Representatives. This was written and revised by House Democrats, see https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R45769.pdfin

While you contemplate the steps, pay attention to the "investigative phase" and the meaning of the word "investigate" the act of examining something carefully, esp. to discover the t***h about it. Investigation DOES NOT mean to dig for information to PROVE a person is either innocent or guilty, it means to find the t***h. Was this done? No!!!, research was done solely for a guilty outcome.

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Jan 1, 2020 16:19:46   #
Lonewolf
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Actually, the House's responsibility has 3 phases: 1, initiation of the impeachment process; (2) Judiciary Committee investigation, hearings, and markup of articles of impeachment; and (3) full House consideration of the articles of impeachment. In the case of President Trump, the House repeated phase 1 on an almost monthly timeline starting before he was sworn in. Phase 2 was incomplete as they did not question or interview anyone who disagreed or promoted a notion that the "phone call" was misunderstood or incorrectly surmised by the Democrats. This would have REQUIRED Schitt to allow witnesses called by Republicans. And phase 3 requires all available information, both pro and con, to be examined and weighted. Again, Nader shut down most questions raised by Republicans. So.....did they do their job as outlined in the 2019 The Impeachment Process in the House of Representatives. Absolutely not. They failed to approach the impeachment without bias or a predetermined outcome. Link to Process House of Representatives. This was written and revised by House Democrats, see https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R45769.pdfin

While you contemplate the steps, pay attention to the "investigative phase" and the meaning of the word "investigate" the act of examining something carefully, esp. to discover the t***h about it. Investigation DOES NOT mean to dig for information to PROVE a person is either innocent or guilty, it means to find the t***h. Was this done? No!!!, research was done solely for a guilty outcome.
Actually, the House's responsibility has 3 phases:... (show quote)


Why was there no attempt by Republicans to find proof of innocence evidence?
Why can't one person can't take an oath and testify in Trump's defense??

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Jan 1, 2020 16:31:52   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Lonewolf wrote:
Why was there no attempt by Republicans to find proof of evidence?
Why can't one person can't take an oath and testify in Trump's defense??


Here is a partial list Republicans wanted to call:

· H****r B***n
· “The Whistleblower”
· Devon Archer (H****r B***n’s business partner)
· Alexandra Chalupa (allegedly met with Ukrainian officials to discuss dirt on Trump in 2016)
· Nellie Ohr (Fusion GPS researcher)
· Tim Morrison (return visit)
· Kurt Volker (return visit)
· David Hale (State Department)

The entire list was disapproved by Schitt and Nadar.

Your second statement does not make sense. I think you may be asking why no one could testify for the POTUS. Who do you have in mind?

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Jan 1, 2020 16:43:50   #
Lonewolf
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Here is a partial list Republicans wanted to call:

· H****r B***n
· “The Whistleblower”
· Devon Archer (H****r B***n’s business partner)
· Alexandra Chalupa (allegedly met with Ukrainian officials to discuss dirt on Trump in 2016)
· Nellie Ohr (Fusion GPS researcher)
· Tim Morrison (return visit)
· Kurt Volker (return visit)
· David Hale (State Department)

The entire list was disapproved by Schitt and Nadar.

Your second statement does not make sense. I think you may be asking why no one could testify for the POTUS. Who do you have in mind?
Here is a partial list Republicans wanted to call:... (show quote)


Anyone who could testify on trumps behalf how about the other people in on the call?
Trump was the one being investigate not Biden or the others you listed!
The proper thing to do is a point a special counsel to investigate this matter has nothing to do with Trump.

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Jan 1, 2020 16:46:09   #
Lonewolf
 
4430 wrote:
Spot On


Really

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Jan 1, 2020 16:49:09   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
Lonewolf wrote:
Really


Yep

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Jan 1, 2020 16:56:26   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
Lonewolf wrote:

Trump was the one being investigate not Biden or the others you listed!


Trump is being investigated because of Biden !

Didn't anyone tell you that one of the Presidents job no matter who is President that they are responsible to check out any corruption with any country that is looking for aid ?

Exactly what Trump was doing and here all of you Demo's are mad because some of your Demo's have been making money hand over fist with a corrupt company in one of the most corrupt country in the world !

If you all would set your hatred aside and actually read the transcript you could see for yourselves ! O on second thought maybe I'm wrong because you all seem to be unable to understand anything about the subject !

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Jan 1, 2020 17:06:10   #
Lonewolf
 
4430 wrote:
Trump is being investigated because of Biden !

Didn't anyone tell you that one of the Presidents job no matter who is President that they are responsible to check out any corruption with any country that is looking for aid ?

Exactly what Trump was doing and here all of you Demo's are mad because some of your Demo's have been making money hand over fist with a corrupt company in one of the most corrupt country in the world !

If you all would set your hatred aside and actually read the transcript you could see for yourselves ! O on second thought maybe I'm wrong because you all seem to be unable to understand anything about the subject !
Trump is being investigated because of Biden ! br ... (show quote)


Did you listen to the testimony of the witnesses?
And tell me why did trump give aid for the first two years in office it was only till biden became a threat that the ukrain suddenly became corrupt

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Jan 1, 2020 17:24:56   #
Saspatz007 Loc: The goat sheds
 
Lonewolf wrote:
I think your right and thanks for the links nice to hear from someone who is interested in finding solutions unlike most on the right!


This has bipartisan support in many places.

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Jan 1, 2020 17:30:38   #
Saspatz007 Loc: The goat sheds
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Your recommendation would have most likely eliminated both obama and k**lary as p**********l hopefuls. At the end of the day, Trump would still be president. Trump’s campaign brought in about $19.4 million by the end of 2015. Trump contributed nearly $13 million of that himself. Most of the remainder comes from individual contributions, which federal law caps at $2,700 per candidate per e******n.

In contrast, k**lary's overseas fundraising encompassed 13 countries and leaders....to include Mexico, Saudi Prince, Russia and the Ukraine.

If you want a true Anticorruption Act, then eliminate overseas bribes to candidates.
Your recommendation would have most likely elimina... (show quote)


There are already laws on the books. What’s needed is better enforcement. A major piece of this act requires PACS to disclose their contributors. That would go a long way towards making it harder to slip foreign money in. For all parties.

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Jan 1, 2020 17:54:32   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
Lonewolf wrote:
Did you listen to the testimony of the witnesses?
And tell me why did trump give aid for the first two years in office it was only till biden became a threat that the ukrain suddenly became corrupt


Not a one of the so called witness when asked if they heard Trump a ply any pressure on the Ukraine President and Everyone of them said NO they did Not hear Trump tell them that they'd get no aid if they didn't look into Biden and his son !

You know you sound just as d********g as all these Democrats seeking to unseat a dully elected President from day one !

Why did they keep changing the rules and then when each article was found to be false then they changed to to bribery and then kept on inventing more charges till they are at the point where they now see they're screwed and look the fools that that they are !

All of you Trump h**ers are so blind because you all lost your sweet heart's chance to be the first woman President that proves you all can't see past the end of your noses !

The whole lot of ya are d********g pathetic

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Jan 1, 2020 17:59:04   #
Lonewolf
 
4430 wrote:
Not a one of the so called witness when asked if they heard Trump a ply any pressure on the Ukraine President and Everyone of them said NO they did Not hear Trump tell them that they'd get no aid if they didn't look into Biden and his son !

You know you sound just as d********g as all these Democrats seeking to unseat a dully elected President from day one !

Why did they keep changing the rules and then when each article was found to be false then they changed to to bribery and then kept on inventing more charges till they are at the point where they now see they're screwed and look the fools that that they are !

All of you Trump h**ers are so blind because you all lost your sweet heart's chance to be the first woman President that proves you all can't see past the end of your noses !

The whole lot of ya are d********g pathetic
Not a one of the so called witness when asked if t... (show quote)


If that's true why is trump refusing to release documents or let people testfi
Actually what hes doing is an impeachable offense at least Justice Kavanaugh says it

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Jan 1, 2020 18:07:36   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
Lonewolf wrote:
If that's true why is trump refusing to release documents or let people testfi
Actually what hes doing is an impeachable offense at least Justice Kavanaugh says it


O My Gosh you have the Demo Loser syndrome so bad it's appalling !

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Jan 1, 2020 18:46:43   #
Lonewolf
 
4430 wrote:
O My Gosh you have the Demo Loser syndrome so bad it's appalling !


That's not an answer

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