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Dec 7, 2019 09:24:57   #
Cuda2020
 
4430 wrote:
Calif is run by Democrats please who brought the demise of the middle class there ?


S.California, has many wealthy people because of their industries, while they also get a great influx of immigrants, that being one of the main reasons and not due to party affiliation, they were the same status under republicans, poor example. If you want to go further back it up with some facts and not empty opinion.

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Dec 7, 2019 10:41:27   #
Seth
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
With your last comment and you have the gall and hypocrisy to talk about anyone on h**e, that shows the unconscionable plane you work out of. I have nothing to do with anyone or a fetus or otherwise being murdered. And again you are ranting and regurgitating the slanted, d******e and maligning propaganda from your handlers. Their negative and toxic literary writings are what you've allowed to be absorbed and now quite frankly, you are ...full of it. LOL You have been poisoned my friend.

Nothing you've said here is based in fact, all just right hating diatribe, show me the facts to your argument and not more right-leaning, anti-left promotioning BS.

No one is shoving anything down your throats, we're just not allowing your bigotries to run rampant.

Your crooked treasonous president is guilty as hell by his own admission for Pete's sake. Get a grip. Along with his circle of cohorts, the VP and AG and others. I hope they all come down like the house of cards that it is, you wanted to drain the swamp, well there it is staring you right in the face, don't turn away, face the facts, have the guts, some backbone. Know what is at stake here in all its seriousness.

As the president said, "it stops here and now!" Let's do it, I'm all for it, are you? Let's stop it here and now!

Now, to think the deterioration of our education comes from a political party is ignorantly naive and on the complexities of education, I won't even attempt to it converse with you. Life for simpletons are black and white, with one answer, one resolve, unfortunately, life doesn't work that way.

One more thing, Socialism another bogus piece of right-leaning propaganda. Social programs do work, no one on the left is even thinking of full-on socialism, we (the US) are well entrenched in capitalism, everyone is working for a living to get better and do more to GET more, it is the American way of life just look at our advertising, stop being spoon-fed.

Also, these socialistic countries you refer to are all run by dictators and not the choice of the people and a social program doesn't equate to a country run by socialism. We've had SS since 1935 and we are no less capitalistic than we ever were, it alive and thriving especially for the rich. SS has saved millions and millions of lives over the decades from living in the streets. I see you Repubs are in the wings waiting to give it a big slash even though it is not the government's money to t***sfer or redistribute.

I didn't reply with the same vile bile you do with me, but I will say this, all you are is a puppet and that's on you.
With your last comment and you have the gall and h... (show quote)


If the left endorses it, so do you, no matter what "it" happens to be. You always defend it, so don't make yourself look foolish by self portraying as an independent thinker.

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Dec 7, 2019 17:42:49   #
Cuda2020
 
Seth wrote:
If the left endorses it, so do you, no matter what "it" happens to be. You always defend it, so don't make yourself look foolish by self portraying as an independent thinker.


Well you are wrong, on both counts, There are some things I agree with the more conservative(past conservative) on some things, it's just that the more they move to the extreme right the more they lose old conservatives, where do you think most of these independents such as myself have come from? But as it stands most often I do agree with them, am I supposed to feel guilty about that, that' s funny, I left that party for the very reason of where they were headed. If anyone should feel shame it's the nonmoral majority.

As for yourself how are you any different, I haven't seen it at all

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Dec 7, 2019 18:24:57   #
Seth
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
Well you are wrong, on both counts, There are some things I agree with the more conservative(past conservative) on some things, it's just that the more they move to the extreme right the more they lose old conservatives, where do you think most of these independents such as myself have come from? But as it stands most often I do agree with them, am I supposed to feel guilty about that, that' s funny, I left that party for the very reason of where they were headed. If anyone should feel shame it's the nonmoral majority.

As for yourself how are you any different, I haven't seen it at all
Well you are wrong, on both counts, There are some... (show quote)


Let's just say I love my country as the founders intended it to be and as it has worked out to be the most successful and free nation in history, and I don't particularly care to see it displaced by a johnny-come-lately political philosophy that has failed every time it's been tried and, just as bad, has invariably led to the curtailment of all manner of liberties.

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Dec 7, 2019 18:33:07   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Seth wrote:
Let's just say I love my country as the founders intended it to be and as it has worked out to be the most successful and free nation in history, and I don't particularly care to see it displaced by a johnny-come-lately political philosophy that has failed every time it's been tried and, just as bad, has invariably led to the curtailment of all manner of liberties.



Seth, if you love our country why can you not see the obvious disruption that the orange con man is forcing upon the future of our nation..

You see nothing wrong with giving all the wealth and power to a small minority; the ultra rich?

You see nothing wrong with a tax law which will require the middle/working class to give up all deductions and exemptions in a few years to pay for the gift to trump himself and the ultra rich..

You think that having poor relations with our allies of decades is fine and giving Kim and Putin gifts of thing they have striving for over decades and get nothing in return is "deal making"?

I simply can not understand how intelligent people can be so gullible..

so have at it.. time for a book on this end..



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Dec 7, 2019 19:03:15   #
Seth
 
permafrost wrote:
Seth, if you love our country why can you not see the obvious disruption that the orange con man is forcing upon the future of our nation..

You see nothing wrong with giving all the wealth and power to a small minority; the ultra rich?

You see nothing wrong with a tax law which will require the middle/working class to give up all deductions and exemptions in a few years to pay for the gift to trump himself and the ultra rich..

You think that having poor relations with our allies of decades is fine and giving Kim and Putin gifts of thing they have striving for over decades and get nothing in return is "deal making"?

I simply can not understand how intelligent people can be so gullible..

so have at it.. time for a book on this end..
Seth, if you love our country why can you not see ... (show quote)


The so-called "orange con man" is the first president we've had in decades who actually speaks for the average American rather than for any political party, The Swamp® or some g*******t faction or other, and he's brought to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue the perspective of a non-politician who's made good in the American marketplace. Refreshingly, he places America first instead of trying, at our country's and at we, the people's expense, to make other countries "like us."

Presidents (and political officeholders in general) like Trump are more in line with what the founders envisioned for America's leadership.

All the slanderous bulls**t you and the other lefties, along with the politics first, America second Democrat leadership continually pile on this fine president is based on nothing but politics.

As for all the rest of the character assassination President Trump gets from the left, well, I personally don't give a rat's ass about his previous sex life, his tax write-offs or wh**ever else -- I v**ed for a strong America First POTUS, not a clergyman, who has already demonstrated that my v**e was a great investment in my country.

You can ignore or demean his accomplishments to your heart's content, but while the Democrats have wasted millions of dollars of our tax money and squandered years of their time on the public payroll doing absolutely nothing but trying to undo the results of the 2016 e******n, President Trump has been working and getting things done.

While Trump produces scores of tangible accomplishments, your side produces nothing but lies, slander and d******eness.

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Dec 7, 2019 19:10:03   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
S.California, has many wealthy people because of their industries, while they also get a great influx of immigrants, that being one of the main reasons and not due to party affiliation, they were the same status under republicans, poor example. If you want to go further back it up with some facts and not empty opinion.


I have family in Southern Calif they and there are more that would disagree with ya !

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Dec 7, 2019 19:48:21   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Seth wrote:
There you go again.

Sorry, but every single thing your bitter end of the political equation embraces is 180° different from those American sensibilities pre-Obama.

The corrupt, left owned (bought & paid for) Democrats have decimated our once excellent education system, turned our childrens' perceptions of American history and culture into a glob of identity politics and false accusations, began tearing down our historic monuments in still greater efforts to erase our history, abused the Bill of Rights to attack every American ideal when your ilk aren't simply pissing on it along with the rest of the Constitution, weaponized government agencies against political opposition, endorsed corruption at the highest levels, severely divided this country in ways it hasn't been divided since the 1860s, denigrated capitalism, which is what made it possible for you to even possess the means to do so, in favor of a system (socialism) which has failed every time it's been tried, as often as not leading to oppressive totalitarian governments, shredding our economy at every opportunity, creating rampant unemployment as jobs moved overseas, apologized to other countries, including our enemies, for America, weakened our military whenever your ilk has had the power to do so, initiated federally illegal "sanctuary" cities and even protected convicted i*****l a***n murderers and rapists from deportation, used the courts to infringe on Americans'religious rights (unless they are Muslims, whose dogmas are not compatible with U.S. law), shoved your t*********r and other a******lities down our throats whether we like it or not, spent over three years of the taxpayers' time and millions of dollars in an attempted c**p d'etat against a duly elected president for the sole reason that your miserable ilk has no one who can beat him fairly in an e******n, pursuing him with lies, obfuscations and slander in a Kangaroo court format since before he was even inaugurated... I could go on, but it would be a waste of time because you know damn well that every single thing you ever post is a lie, just like those told by the f**e news media in a blatantly t***sparent attempt to mislead the public that what you are selling is "normal, run of the mill American" when it's the direct opposite.

From what you and some of the other America hating l*****t liars post here, I and many other true, patriotic Americans wouldn't trust you to provide a current weather update if you were looking out the window.

Now, why don't you do something that would no doubt bring you great joy and go murder a fetus?
There you go again. br br Sorry, but every single... (show quote)


Great list !!👍

To sum it up.......lead by dark forces against God, Believers and one Nation under God...

Jack

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Dec 7, 2019 19:57:28   #
Seth
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
Great list !!👍

To sum it up.......lead by dark forces against God, Believers and one Nation under God...

Jack



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Dec 8, 2019 10:07:05   #
Cuda2020
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
Great list !!👍

To sum it up.......lead by dark forces against God, Believers and one Nation under God...

Jack


It wasn't originally in there until F**g Day in 1954, believe under Ike. It has been up for debate today to remove it. The Establishment Clause of the First Amendment says the government must remain neutral in religious matters. Keeping “under God” in the Pledge means that the government endorses religion as desirable. He did it to ward off the influence of c*******m, but c*******m isn't a religion per se, rather an economic structure, as with socialism, both fail for the people because it isn't used as ideally created but instead used by dictatorships to redistribute the wealth as they see fit...and the people suffer.

But greed is greed, we are finding that capitalistic greed can be just as damaging to its people as c*******m or socialism under a form of authoritative rule.

I find it is not the religion that is important, that is personal to each individual, but was is important is the
moral foundation of a society and that can be without a religious base thereby allowing it to apply to everyone, this is what is in the genious of our constituion.

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Dec 8, 2019 10:12:11   #
Cuda2020
 
4430 wrote:
I have family in Southern Calif they and there are more that would disagree with ya !


Ok

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Dec 8, 2019 10:29:39   #
Cuda2020
 
Seth wrote:
Let's just say I love my country as the founders intended it to be and as it has worked out to be the most successful and free nation in history, and I don't particularly care to see it displaced by a johnny-come-lately political philosophy that has failed every time it's been tried and, just as bad, has invariably led to the curtailment of all manner of liberties.


Then we have at least one thing in common. What was the priority for the founders? I believe it was how the citizens of the country benefited. Life Liberty and the pursuit of NOT property, but was changed to happiness, That is a pertinent point. If congress were to write it today, I think they would have made it read Life, Liberty and the pursuit of property. That's where the nobles found their happiness, in possessing more, their ego having to be constantly fulfilled. Jefferson, Franklin and Madison wrote to a more conscious higher state of mind.

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Dec 8, 2019 12:56:00   #
Seth
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
Then we have at least one thing in common. What was the priority for the founders? I believe it was how the citizens of the country benefited. Life Liberty and the pursuit of NOT property, but was changed to happiness, That is a pertinent point. If congress were to write it today, I think they would have made it read Life, Liberty and the pursuit of property. That's where the nobles found their happiness, in possessing more, their ego having to be constantly fulfilled. Jefferson, Franklin and Madison wrote to a more conscious higher state of mind.
Then we have at least one thing in common. What wa... (show quote)


I believe happiness was more to the point, and that in itself would include property for many or most -- but it was written as the pursuit of, not a guarantee either way, meaning that it is meant to be achieved, meaning earned through ones' endeavors, not simply received through the redistribution of the wealth of those who worked for and achieved it.

When I hear AOC, for example, saying billionaires should be illegal, or Bernie wanting to play Robin Hood with the money of those who worked harder and smarter to pursue and achieve their happiness, what I actually hear is people looking to buy v**es from non-achievers, whether they are not motivated to work hard or simply come from circumstances in which conventional means of "getting ahead" are either not available or not known.

The solution is not socialism, it is promotion of more and better opportunities for education, other modes of training and economic opportunity in depressed areas (neighborhoods, geographic subdivisions, etc).

The formula upon which America was founded has worked quite well to this point, though some who may seek instant gratification in certain situations can be disappointed, though our system, applied properly, seems to eventually iron things out.

What I take umbrage with is this l*****t movement that has gradually, stealthily worked its way into our political system over the last maybe three decades to its present magnitude in which it is literally pushing to overturn the Constitution by using parts of it against itself -- and our entire form of government.

The left, who have entirely too much power in today's Democratic Party, are not looking to make a few minor adjustments to America, they are seeking to completely t***sform this country into something it was never meant to be and despite the false benevolence of their claims, something even those who now embrace their dogmas would not be at all happy with.

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Dec 8, 2019 14:03:14   #
Cuda2020
 
Seth wrote:
I believe happiness was more to the point, and that in itself would include property for many or most -- but it was written as the pursuit of, not a guarantee either way, meaning that it is meant to be achieved, meaning earned through ones' endeavors, not simply received through the redistribution of the wealth of those who worked for and achieved it.

When I hear AOC, for example, saying billionaires should be illegal, or Bernie wanting to play Robin Hood with the money of those who worked harder and smarter to pursue and achieve their happiness, what I actually hear is people looking to buy v**es from non-achievers, whether they are not motivated to work hard or simply come from circumstances in which conventional means of "getting ahead" are either not available or not known.

The solution is not socialism, it is promotion of more and better opportunities for education, other modes of training and economic opportunity in depressed areas (neighborhoods, geographic subdivisions, etc).

The formula upon which America was founded has worked quite well to this point, though some who may seek instant gratification in certain situations can be disappointed, though our system, applied properly, seems to eventually iron things out.

What I take umbrage with is this l*****t movement that has gradually, stealthily worked its way into our political system over the last maybe three decades to its present magnitude in which it is literally pushing to overturn the Constitution by using parts of it against itself -- and our entire form of government.

The left, who have entirely too much power in today's Democratic Party, are not looking to make a few minor adjustments to America, they are seeking to completely t***sform this country into something it was never meant to be and despite the false benevolence of their claims, something even those who now embrace their dogmas would not be at all happy with.
I believe happiness was more to the point, and tha... (show quote)


I appreciate your stance for people to be productive and reap their rewards later in their golden years, they/we deserve to kick back when aches and pains make it more difficult. Unfortunately, life can have a way of stealing that away. The economy may take a turn, a business may begin to falter, or an illness may take place, in America it's the biggest culprit. Which is why healthcare has to finally be eradicated.

While we compare unproductive people, that suck on the government's tit we need to also acknowledge the loss of tax revenue that is stolen from us from companies that collect their profits from the American consumer but then don't pay tax into our country, for example, look at GE and Amazon.

Where is our greatest loss of revenue? I believe that the answer lies in the fact that 1/10th of 1% control all of our wealth.

I appreciate you reply Seth and hope in the future it remains more towards this rapport.

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Dec 9, 2019 12:43:48   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
It wasn't originally in there until F**g Day in 1954, believe under Ike. It has been up for debate today to remove it. The Establishment Clause of the First Amendment says the government must remain neutral in religious matters. Keeping “under God” in the Pledge means that the government endorses religion as desirable. He did it to ward off the influence of c*******m, but c*******m isn't a religion per se, rather an economic structure, as with socialism, both fail for the people because it isn't used as ideally created but instead used by dictatorships to redistribute the wealth as they see fit...and the people suffer.

But greed is greed, we are finding that capitalistic greed can be just as damaging to its people as c*******m or socialism under a form of authoritative rule.

I find it is not the religion that is important, that is personal to each individual, but was is important is the
moral foundation of a society and that can be without a religious base thereby allowing it to apply to everyone, this is what is in the genious of our constituion.
It wasn't originally in there until F**g Day in 19... (show quote)



Barracuda,

Let me begin with, I'm not against individual's for their beliefs, I'm against revisionist history and the beliefs.
I have deeply researched this argument of "God over/Leading America " and there are hundreds if not thousands of "False" research articles that ignore our Founding Father's "Speech's, Letters and pronouncements " they ignore history in their attempt to falsely convince the American public. Over 50 of the signers confess a belief in Jesus/God, with only a few being Deists but that's not fitting to atheism or anti-God agendas.
The argument can be made that many in today's society in America want God removed. However arguments fail against history and the intent of the signers to our constitution and Bill of Rights.
Sadly America does not stand alone when it comes to "Revisionist History " as this has been in nations and cultures for centuries.
It is my hope that those electing God from all things in America understand history is not on their side and be honest in their endeavors to change America for their personal reasons rather than building an argument around revisionist history.
I have dozens of links to the signers speech's and or Letters that plainly reveal the t***h of their beliefs and intent for America and God over our government.

http://acw70indiana.com/godandfoundingfathers.htm

My best to you in your pursuit for the t***h.

Jack

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