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Dec 4, 2019 18:19:29   #
Seth
 
BigJim wrote:
The revenue from the tariffs more than pays for the farmers.


Barracuda and the rest of the Bolshevik wannabes don't want to hear that -- lying about a president who actually knows what he's doing and loves both the Constitution and America is more in their line.

If Hillary had won, these same jamokes would be cheering her on as she made herself even richer off her corruption and performed for Soros and his g*******t ilk by totally destroying our economy, dismantling our military, opening our borders and bringing utter chaos to America.

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Dec 5, 2019 06:52:54   #
Cuda2020
 
BigJim wrote:
The revenue from the tariffs more than pays for the farmers.


Not quite, who really pays Trump's tariffs, we do.
Trump says China pays the tariffs he has imposed on $250 billion of Chinese exports to the United States.

But that is not how tariffs work. China’s government and companies in China do not pay tariffs directly. Tariffs are a tax on imports. They are paid by U.S.-registered firms to U.S. customs for the goods they import into the United States.

Importers often pass the costs of tariffs on to customers - manufacturers and consumers in the United States - by raising their prices.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-china-tariffs-explainer/who-pays-trumps-tariffs-china-or-u-s-customers-and-companies-idUSKCN1SR1UI

U.S. business executives and economists say U.S. consumers foot much of the bill through rising prices.

White House economic adviser Larry Kudlow has acknowledged that “both sides will suffer on this,” contradicting the president.

The tariff bill is set to rise further. Trump this month directed U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer to launch the process of imposing tariffs on the remaining $300 billion of goods from China. That includes products ranging from cellphones to baby pacifiers.

That would mean almost all imports from China would be subject to a 25 percent import tax.
U.S. COMPANIES SEE RISING CONSUMER PRICES

A growing number of U.S. companies has warned about the negative impact of the tariffs on U.S. consumers.

Nike Inc and 172 other footwear companies have urged Trump to remove footwear from a list of imports facing a proposed extra 25% tariff, warning the move could cost consumers an additional $7 billion a year.

Walmart Inc, the world’s largest retailer, and department store chain Macy’s Inc have warned that prices for shoppers will rise due to higher tariffs on goods from China.

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Dec 5, 2019 07:08:45   #
Cuda2020
 
ws
Seth wrote:
Barracuda and the rest of the Bolshevik wannabes don't want to hear that -- lying about a president who actually knows what he's doing and loves both the Constitution and America is more in their line.

If Hillary had won, these same jamokes would be cheering her on as she made herself even richer off her corruption and performed for Soros and his g*******t ilk by totally destroying our economy, dismantling our military, opening our borders and bringing utter chaos to America.


You mean the way Trump has? Yep, the rest of your statement is all a hypothetical misconception based in fear, fear of something that just wouldn't have happened. She well knew the impact of the securities on our borders, knows the importance of our military and would have brought continued order to America. It is Trump who has singularly brought Chaos to America and has made us unstable in the world view and our economic status with our ever-climbing debt!

Your man exploits and disrespects our Constitution as we speak, and why he is getting impeached, he is an island unto himself, and that is only place where his loyalty lies.

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Dec 5, 2019 07:22:26   #
Seth
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
ws

You mean the way Trump has? Yep, the rest of your statement is all a hypothetical misconception based in fear, fear of something that just wouldn't have happened. She well knew the impact of the securities on our borders, knows the importance of our military and would have brought continued order to America. It is Trump who has singularly brought Chaos to America and has made us unstable in the world view and our economic status with our ever-climbing debt!

Your man exploits and disrespects our Constitution as we speak, and why he is getting impeached, he is an island unto himself, and that is only place where his loyalty lies.
ws br br You mean the way Trump has? Yep, the res... (show quote)


You lefties will never understand that when the BS you spout contradicts reality every single time, based on the principle that if you repeat a lie often enough people begin believing it's the t***h, those of us who are smarter than you realize that everything you post may as well be coming from another dimension, because none of it is even remotely close to the realities in this one.

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Dec 5, 2019 08:34:30   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
ExperienceCounts wrote:
Just wondering, are these small family farms or corporate farms?

I knew a small farmer who could not plant corn for cows. He said that if he were to plant it, the government would collect "fines" and plow the corn under in the fields. There are quotas to plant certain crops and he wasn't allowed to plant corn. He said that corporate farms collect money for not planting some crops to keep the prices of the sold crops up. He did not have the acreage to qualify for this perk. This occurred years before President Trump was elected.
Just wondering, are these small family farms or co... (show quote)


I got to thinking about this post and it occurred to me that was back in the 1970's !

So to clear things up here's the low down !

There were quotas back then and here's how it went !

Say a farmer had 300 acres and his government allotment for corn was 20 acres so he signed up however when he reported his acreage he had planted 40 acres !

Now the government would give him a choice to destroy that extra 20 acres or he would be ineligible to participate in the program.

So the farmer decided to keep all the corn !

The government would not nor has ever fined nor destroyed any farmers crops if that farmer had decided to he could have planted the entire 300 acres to corn !

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Dec 5, 2019 16:42:21   #
Cuda2020
 
Seth wrote:
You lefties will never understand that when the BS you spout contradicts reality every single time, based on the principle that if you repeat a lie often enough people begin believing it's the t***h, those of us who are smarter than you realize that everything you post may as well be coming from another dimension, because none of it is even remotely close to the realities in this one.

We know what party follows the liar and lives in an altered reality along with their alternative facts LOL

You keep bringing up who’s smarter, have a complex much

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Dec 5, 2019 17:39:06   #
Seth
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
We know what party follows the liar and lives in an altered reality along with their alternative facts LOL

You keep bringing up who’s smarter, have a complex much


Let's just say that virtually everything your ilk supports is exactly the opposite of everything America's been about since 1776, and everything you support is disastrous for our education system, disastrous for our economy, disastrous for our sovereignty, security and public safety and completely opposite what the Constitution is about.

This country was doing great until your l*****t ilk came along and divided it, and everything you represent is geared toward a "fundamental t***sformation" for the worse.

Every single thing you post is a lie that you deliver as though it were the t***h. It's like reading propaganda.

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Dec 5, 2019 18:32:03   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
Seth wrote:
Let's just say that virtually everything your ilk supports is exactly the opposite of everything America's been about since 1776, and everything you support is disastrous for our education system, disastrous for our economy, disastrous for our sovereignty, security and public safety and completely opposite what the Constitution is about.

This country was doing great until your l*****t ilk came along and divided it, and everything you represent is geared toward a "fundamental t***sformation" for the worse.

Every single thing you post is a lie that you deliver as though it were the t***h. It's like reading propaganda.
Let's just say that virtually everything your ilk ... (show quote)



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Dec 5, 2019 18:34:37   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
teabag09 wrote:
It seems to me that Nasty Nancy is holding up legislation that would help the farmers more than the tariffs are hurting them. It also seems to me that this years weather has hurt the farmers more than the tariffs. Mike



You are right about the weather, but not about Nancy..

the held up bills are on McConnell desk..



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Dec 6, 2019 08:02:44   #
Cuda2020
 
Seth wrote:
Let's just say that virtually everything your ilk supports is exactly the opposite of everything America's been about since 1776, and everything you support is disastrous for our education system, disastrous for our economy, disastrous for our sovereignty, security and public safety and completely opposite what the Constitution is about.

This country was doing great until your l*****t ilk came along and divided it, and everything you represent is geared toward a "fundamental t***sformation" for the worse.

Every single thing you post is a lie that you deliver as though it were the t***h. It's like reading propaganda.
Let's just say that virtually everything your ilk ... (show quote)


Ha, what a load that is. Your ilk is that more of the old Federalists, we know how well that went over, they completely imploded and then became the Republicans.

I can simply say the same thing everything you post is a lie. That's worked out well.

Everything I support, try not and refer to the familiar "I" you've not a clue what I support for education but I can tell you it's not the old "no child left behind" BS, from Bush. You guys are always about blame and never the resolve. In reality, I imagine you are about to blame common core BS also, so let me tell you common core is not a methodology for teaching, it is simply a standard to be met. We don't have a single method for teaching, for the most part, that is up to the teachers and schools, which means we have to figure out where the real problem is in order to resolve it. I would suggest looking to the top three countries and not the states as to why they are so successful.

The country was doing great? Are you brain dead? Where were you when we completely tanked, on the edge of complete devastation, we were in the gutter when Obama came along and spoke of a fundamental change and that change he was speaking of was to put the interest back into the people and not wall street hedge-funders and global corporations not supporting our country. You really need to pick your head up now and then.

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Dec 6, 2019 08:13:07   #
Hug
 
In 1856 a group of investors met and formed the Republican party and they selected John Fremont to run for President in 1856. Fremont was very anti s***ery, but he ran a good race. Eastern news papers published drawings of s***es working in Fremont's gold mine in California and that was a complete made up lie. Democrats have not changed.

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Dec 6, 2019 08:39:20   #
Seth
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
Ha, what a load that is. Your ilk is that more of the old Federalists, we know how well that went over, they completely imploded and then became the Republicans.

I can simply say the same thing everything you post is a lie. That's worked out well.

Everything I support, try not and refer to the familiar "I" you've not a clue what I support for education but I can tell you it's not the old "no child left behind" BS, from Bush. You guys are always about blame and never the resolve. In reality, I imagine you are about to blame common core BS also, so let me tell you common core is not a methodology for teaching, it is simply a standard to be met. We don't have a single method for teaching, for the most part, that is up to the teachers and schools, which means we have to figure out where the real problem is in order to resolve it. I would suggest looking to the top three countries and not the states as to why they are so successful.

The country was doing great? Are you brain dead? Where were you when we completely tanked, on the edge of complete devastation, we were in the gutter when Obama came along and spoke of a fundamental change and that change he was speaking of was to put the interest back into the people and not wall street hedge-funders and global corporations not supporting our country. You really need to pick your head up now and then.
Ha, what a load that is. Your ilk is that more of ... (show quote)


There you go again.

Sorry, but every single thing your bitter end of the political equation embraces is 180° different from those American sensibilities pre-Obama.

The corrupt, left owned (bought & paid for) Democrats have decimated our once excellent education system, turned our childrens' perceptions of American history and culture into a glob of identity politics and false accusations, began tearing down our historic monuments in still greater efforts to erase our history, abused the Bill of Rights to attack every American ideal when your ilk aren't simply pissing on it along with the rest of the Constitution, weaponized government agencies against political opposition, endorsed corruption at the highest levels, severely divided this country in ways it hasn't been divided since the 1860s, denigrated capitalism, which is what made it possible for you to even possess the means to do so, in favor of a system (socialism) which has failed every time it's been tried, as often as not leading to oppressive totalitarian governments, shredding our economy at every opportunity, creating rampant unemployment as jobs moved overseas, apologized to other countries, including our enemies, for America, weakened our military whenever your ilk has had the power to do so, initiated federally illegal "sanctuary" cities and even protected convicted i*****l a***n murderers and rapists from deportation, used the courts to infringe on Americans'religious rights (unless they are Muslims, whose dogmas are not compatible with U.S. law), shoved your t*********r and other a******lities down our throats whether we like it or not, spent over three years of the taxpayers' time and millions of dollars in an attempted c**p d'etat against a duly elected president for the sole reason that your miserable ilk has no one who can beat him fairly in an e******n, pursuing him with lies, obfuscations and slander in a Kangaroo court format since before he was even inaugurated... I could go on, but it would be a waste of time because you know damn well that every single thing you ever post is a lie, just like those told by the f**e news media in a blatantly t***sparent attempt to mislead the public that what you are selling is "normal, run of the mill American" when it's the direct opposite.

From what you and some of the other America hating l*****t liars post here, I and many other true, patriotic Americans wouldn't trust you to provide a current weather update if you were looking out the window.

Now, why don't you do something that would no doubt bring you great joy and go murder a fetus?

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Dec 6, 2019 21:23:47   #
Cuda2020
 
Hug wrote:
In 1856 a group of investors met and formed the Republican party and they selected John Fremont to run for President in 1856. Fremont was very anti s***ery, but he ran a good race. Eastern news papers published drawings of s***es working in Fremont's gold mine in California and that was a complete made up lie. Democrats have not changed.

In reality they’ve both changed very much, but their cores have remained. The core of the Democratic has been for the common man and Republicans have been for corporate, which is why under the obscenity of their party they’ve declared corporations as people too, interesting premise don’t you think, this is exactly why under Republicans we see the middle class evaporate and instead see 90 percent of the wealth be t***sferred to the CEO ‘s of America. Other wise known as the 1/10 of the 1 percent.

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Dec 7, 2019 06:59:43   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
In reality they’ve both changed very much, but their cores have remained. The core of the Democratic has been for the common man and Republicans have been for corporate, which is why under the obscenity of their party they’ve declared corporations as people too, interesting premise don’t you think, this is exactly why under Republicans we see the middle class evaporate and instead see 90 percent of the wealth be t***sferred to the CEO ‘s of America. Other wise known as the 1/10 of the 1 percent.
In reality they’ve both changed very much, but the... (show quote)


Calif is run by Democrats please who brought the demise of the middle class there ?

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Dec 7, 2019 09:16:45   #
Cuda2020
 
Seth wrote:
There you go again.

Sorry, but every single thing your bitter end of the political equation embraces is 180° different from those American sensibilities pre-Obama.

The corrupt, left owned (bought & paid for) Democrats have decimated our once excellent education system, turned our childrens' perceptions of American history and culture into a glob of identity politics and false accusations, began tearing down our historic monuments in still greater efforts to erase our history, abused the Bill of Rights to attack every American ideal when your ilk aren't simply pissing on it along with the rest of the Constitution, weaponized government agencies against political opposition, endorsed corruption at the highest levels, severely divided this country in ways it hasn't been divided since the 1860s, denigrated capitalism, which is what made it possible for you to even possess the means to do so, in favor of a system (socialism) which has failed every time it's been tried, as often as not leading to oppressive totalitarian governments, shredding our economy at every opportunity, creating rampant unemployment as jobs moved overseas, apologized to other countries, including our enemies, for America, weakened our military whenever your ilk has had the power to do so, initiated federally illegal "sanctuary" cities and even protected convicted i*****l a***n murderers and rapists from deportation, used the courts to infringe on Americans'religious rights (unless they are Muslims, whose dogmas are not compatible with U.S. law), shoved your t*********r and other a******lities down our throats whether we like it or not, spent over three years of the taxpayers' time and millions of dollars in an attempted c**p d'etat against a duly elected president for the sole reason that your miserable ilk has no one who can beat him fairly in an e******n, pursuing him with lies, obfuscations and slander in a Kangaroo court format since before he was even inaugurated... I could go on, but it would be a waste of time because you know damn well that every single thing you ever post is a lie, just like those told by the f**e news media in a blatantly t***sparent attempt to mislead the public that what you are selling is "normal, run of the mill American" when it's the direct opposite.

From what you and some of the other America hating l*****t liars post here, I and many other true, patriotic Americans wouldn't trust you to provide a current weather update if you were looking out the window.

Now, why don't you do something that would no doubt bring you great joy and go murder a fetus?
There you go again. br br Sorry, but every single... (show quote)


With your last comment and you have the gall and hypocrisy to talk about anyone on h**e, that shows the unconscionable plane you work out of. I have nothing to do with anyone or a fetus or otherwise being murdered. And again you are ranting and regurgitating the slanted, d******e and maligning propaganda from your handlers. Their negative and toxic literary writings are what you've allowed to be absorbed and now quite frankly, you are ...full of it. LOL You have been poisoned my friend.

Nothing you've said here is based in fact, all just right hating diatribe, show me the facts to your argument and not more right-leaning, anti-left promotioning BS.

No one is shoving anything down your throats, we're just not allowing your bigotries to run rampant.

Your crooked treasonous president is guilty as hell by his own admission for Pete's sake. Get a grip. Along with his circle of cohorts, the VP and AG and others. I hope they all come down like the house of cards that it is, you wanted to drain the swamp, well there it is staring you right in the face, don't turn away, face the facts, have the guts, some backbone. Know what is at stake here in all its seriousness.

As the president said, "it stops here and now!" Let's do it, I'm all for it, are you? Let's stop it here and now!

Now, to think the deterioration of our education comes from a political party is ignorantly naive and on the complexities of education, I won't even attempt to it converse with you. Life for simpletons are black and white, with one answer, one resolve, unfortunately, life doesn't work that way.

One more thing, Socialism another bogus piece of right-leaning propaganda. Social programs do work, no one on the left is even thinking of full-on socialism, we (the US) are well entrenched in capitalism, everyone is working for a living to get better and do more to GET more, it is the American way of life just look at our advertising, stop being spoon-fed.

Also, these socialistic countries you refer to are all run by dictators and not the choice of the people and a social program doesn't equate to a country run by socialism. We've had SS since 1935 and we are no less capitalistic than we ever were, it alive and thriving especially for the rich. SS has saved millions and millions of lives over the decades from living in the streets. I see you Repubs are in the wings waiting to give it a big slash even though it is not the government's money to t***sfer or redistribute.

I didn't reply with the same vile bile you do with me, but I will say this, all you are is a puppet and that's on you.

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