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Farm aid from Trump’s trade war has cost more than double the 2009 auto bailout
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Dec 3, 2019 18:42:27   #
Hug
 
4430 wrote:
I'm 74 and still farming 550 acre corn soybeans and wheat I'm down from 1000 acres as I'm slowly winding down possibly retiring next year when my Lease tractor is due to be returned or buy if I want to !

With the exception of spending 4 yrs in the Military I've spent my entire life on the farm so I've almost have 60 yrs of actual crop farming under my belt !

I am considered a small farmer I farm mostly with older used equipment as I can't afford ½ Million dollar combines and tractors .
I'm 74 and still farming 550 acre corn soybeans an... (show quote)


4430, I would guess you have enjoyed your way of life. You are lucky, because probably a lot of people don't enjoy their way of life.

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Dec 3, 2019 18:43:28   #
Seth
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
Apparently it hasn't sunken in yet, let me clarify for you, since Trump's tariffs... got that so far, our farm aid has Doubled the auto bailout. Now let that sink in and perk for a little while before you throw back a foolish comment. Let's also notice the bailouts are when republicans are in office. Growth and expansion under democratic,hmmm.


The president's negotiations with China are a work in progress, and the pain his tariffs are causing China, as well as the bi-products of the tariffs (other countries' firms ceasing their manufacturing in China) are a large part of what keeps bringing Xi Jinping back to the bargaining table. If your ilk had their way, America would continue being screwed on trade forever.

Every last one of the economic policies you support either cost Americans jobs or render our companies less competitive in the global marketplace, and you're either too ignorant of how the marketplace works to know whereof you speak, you simply couldn't care less about whether or not other Americans are making a living as long as you are or you're just another TDSer who h**es President Trump more than you care about America, reality or The T***h®.

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Dec 3, 2019 19:07:10   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
useful mattoid 45 wrote:
Hear no evil, see no evil, the two monkeys have responded.

Yeah, but not with any kind of counter-argument. Just a few utterly pointless reactions. That's about it.

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Dec 3, 2019 19:24:30   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
Hug wrote:
4430, I would guess you have enjoyed your way of life. You are lucky, because probably a lot of people don't enjoy their way of life.


Yes I have been very fortunate living here in Southern Illinory where I've spent my entire life in the same county and township I was raised in with the exception of my 4 yrs in the Military and have enjoyed my chosen occupation plus I've done a fair amount of traveling in my life time as well as Downhill Snow Skiing and have fished in many parts of the country.

This map shows all the states I've been in plus I've been to Japan , Philippians , Vietnam , Australia Looks like I need to hit the eastern coast before I get where I can't travel anymore .

My next and last trips out of the country I've got planned that are on my bucket list is NZ , UK and Normandy visiting friends I've met on Face Book and internet .

A good many people here in my area I think seem to enjoy themselves I have lots of friends ans we have a great time when we get together !

It hasn't been all easy as there's been ups and downs and some heart aches along the way but one's attitude has a lot to do with one being happy thru it all!

To be happy is to like oneself laugh make friends have a relationship with Jesus Christ never carry any grudges forgive others that have wronged you and most of all forgive yourselves .



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Dec 3, 2019 19:24:31   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
Farmer subsidies from the Trump administration aimed at mitigating the effects of the U.S.-China trade war have reached $28 billion, about double the amount of money shelled out in the government bailout of Detroit automakers in 2009, Bloomberg reports.

Why it matters: Trump's bailout still doesn't cover all of the farmers' losses. The government has provided $973 million in aid to Iowa farmers during a trade war that is estimated to have cost them $1.7 billion in losses, according to Iowa State University researchers cited by Bloomberg.

The big picture: The farmers' losses are just another data point underscoring the negative effects that the trade war has had on Americans. It has led to bigger trade deficits with China, dented consumer sentiment and is weighing down the global economy, according to the International Monetary Fund.

Now the tariffs on the US has expanded to India, Mexica, Brazil, etc.

So what are the sign here, Trump isn't expanding our growth, he's expanding our debt. Do we need to brace ourselves for another Republican recession?
Farmer subsidies from the Trump administration aim... (show quote)


It wouldn't be a bad idea to brace for it. The current growth rate is well below the level Trump was promising and his off-the-leash spending has increased our national debt to $23 trillion.

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Dec 3, 2019 19:30:55   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
straightUp wrote:
It wouldn't be a bad idea to brace for it. The current growth rate is well below the level Trump was promising and his off-the-leash spending has increased our national debt to $23 trillion.


https://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-much-each-us-president-has-contributed-to-the-national-debt-2018-10-29

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Dec 3, 2019 19:55:11   #
Hug
 
4430 wrote:
Yes I have been very fortunate living here in Southern Illinory where I've spent my entire life in the same county and township I was raised in with the exception of my 4 yrs in the Military and have enjoyed my chosen occupation plus I've done a fair amount of traveling in my life time as well as Downhill Snow Skiing and have fished in many parts of the country.

This map shows all the states I've been in plus I've been to Japan , Philippians , Vietnam , Australia Looks like I need to hit the eastern coast before I get where I can't travel anymore .

My next and last trips out of the country I've got planned that are on my bucket list is NZ , UK and Normandy visiting friends I've met on Face Book and internet .

A good many people here in my area I think seem to enjoy themselves I have lots of friends ans we have a great time when we get together !

It hasn't been all easy as there's been ups and downs and some heart aches along the way but one's attitude has a lot to do with one being happy thru it all!

To be happy is to like oneself laugh make friends have a relationship with Jesus Christ never carry any grudges forgive others that have wronged you and most of all forgive yourselves .
Yes I have been very fortunate living here in Sout... (show quote)


Great post, wish we could all have your attitude.

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Dec 3, 2019 19:57:04   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
4430 wrote:
Farm bailouts has never been meant to cover all farmers losses !

And how does that matter to the argument? Just another distraction?

4430 wrote:

Why are you crying for China they've been screwing us of decades with both parties why are you so concerned about it now ?

I've read the thread and I didn't see anyone crying for China... Another distraction 4430?

4430 wrote:

O I C it's all about Trump being a Man with Balls and Backbone and taking a stand for what is right and pushing back against unfair trade practices and that's something people like you just can't stand you all prefer the limp wrist Obama types who will give away America lock stock and barrel !

No, I don't think "U C" at all... Maybe your apparent crush on Trump might be getting in the way of seeing this, but the reason why we weren't slapping tariffs on on China before is because of the consequences that Baracuda is talking about.

You see, before Trump we had smart people in office and they knew that China had some natural advantages so they did what they could to mitigate that, while trying to encourage free-trade. Trump has no clue what those advantages are because he's basically an i***t and he doesn't give a rats ass about the country or free-trade anyway. What he cares about is staying in office, which means he has to convince people he is taking action. It doesn't matter if the actions cause negative repercussions or not especially if the 30% that he is impressing is as ignorant as he is.

I'll shut my mouth the minute I see ANY sign that the tariffs are resulting in better trade deals. So far they aren't. Trump keeps delaying the trade talks and now he's talking about delaying it until AFTER the 2020 e******ns. In other words he can't bring Jinping to the table because Jinping is too busy laughing his ass off.

So as much as you like men with balls, 4430 it takes brains to lead a nation not balls, ego and clown makeup.

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Dec 3, 2019 20:01:06   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
4430 wrote:
I'm 74 and still farming 550 acre corn soybeans and wheat I'm down from 1000 acres as I'm slowly winding down possibly retiring next year when my Lease tractor is due to be returned or buy if I want to !

With the exception of spending 4 yrs in the Military I've spent my entire life on the farm so I've almost have 60 yrs of actual crop farming under my belt !

I am considered a small farmer I farm mostly with older used equipment as I can't afford ½ Million dollar combines and tractors .
I'm 74 and still farming 550 acre corn soybeans an... (show quote)


Salute! The largest tractor I ever operated was a JD 4430. I've cut a lot of hay but never really farmed. Loaded and unloaded more hay than I care to recall. I love alfalfa but that stuff is very heavy. Especially when bailed with wire. My dad loaned me out to a few farming friends as a young buck. Lousy pay, just backbreaking work I thought was going to k**l me a few times. That was when you walked beside the trailer and tossed the bales on the trailer, think I was paid a whopping two cents a bale back then. That included putting it in the barn. The next year I got a nickel but the bales were a lot heavier, then I quit. The thrill was gone if it was ever there. I'd rather dig post holes all day than bale hay. The only thing I learned was when you stop sweating, get some water, because you are about to have a heat stroke. We couldn't afford a used 8N Ford with no attachments. We were po-folk and without manual labor, we didn't eat. Leasing a 1/2 million combine or tractor would have made us sit down until the thought past. I remember my dad could have bought 100 acres, 3 bdrm brick home, fenced and crossed fenced, a live creek and two ponds, a well and a small barn for 40K and it was too much money. Losing that place almost made me leave home. It was perfect. I knew we would always be leasers but never owners that day. Sadly I was right. Thank you for your service and for helping to feed the nation. City folk will never understand us.

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Dec 3, 2019 20:26:41   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
Peewee wrote:
Salute! The largest tractor I ever operated was a JD 4430. I've cut a lot of hay but never really farmed. Loaded and unloaded more hay than I care to recall. I love alfalfa but that stuff is very heavy. Especially when bailed with wire. My dad loaned me out to a few farming friends as a young buck. Lousy pay, just backbreaking work I thought was going to k**l me a few times. That was when you walked beside the trailer and tossed the bales on the trailer, think I was paid a whopping two cents a bale back then. That included putting it in the barn. The next year I got a nickel but the bales were a lot heavier, then I quit. The thrill was gone if it was ever there. I'd rather dig post holes all day than bale hay. The only thing I learned was when you stop sweating, get some water, because you are about to have a heat stroke. We couldn't afford a used 8N Ford with no attachments. We were po-folk and without manual labor, we didn't eat. Leasing a 1/2 million combine or tractor would have made us sit down until the thought past. I remember my dad could have bought 100 acres, 3 bdrm brick home, fenced and crossed fenced, a live creek and two ponds, a well and a small barn for 40K and it was too much money. Losing that place almost made me leave home. It was perfect. I knew we would always be leasers but never owners that day. Sadly I was right. Thank you for your service and for helping to feed the nation. City folk will never understand us.
Salute! The largest tractor I ever operated was a ... (show quote)


Anyone who hiked bales of hay as a young man is tops in my books !

We too were po-folk Dad ran a threshing crew for yrs then when self-propelled combines came in we had a neighbor that started a baling crew.

Did you ever run into any Bumblebees ?

We never had any alfalfa all we had was Ret Top , Lespedeza , Clover , Orchard Grass , Fescue Grass , Timothy .

We started a seed cleaning business in 1974 growing and selling certified seed plus custom seed cleaning which after 45 yrs have closed down !
I've sewed and stacked a lot of 60 # seed bags then we went to 50 # then mainly Bulk

I wouldn't trade it for anything .

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Dec 3, 2019 20:27:00   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
4430 wrote:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-much-each-us-president-has-contributed-to-the-national-debt-2018-10-29


You should really look closer before folding your arms big boy.

It says that under Obama it took 7 years to increase the debt by $8.59 trillion and under Trump it's only going to take 3 years to increase it by $4.78 trillion. Now for the math... ready country boy?

$8.59 / 7 = $1.23
$4.78 / 3 = $1.59

So, your graphic is actually saying that Trump is increasing the debt more per year than Obama did.

Ooooops!

I was going to get into the whole thing about how most of Obama's spending was obligatory (payments on debt incurred by Bush) where most of Trump's spending is on new programs and purchases, but that might be too much reality for the Trump fans.

LOL

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Dec 3, 2019 21:48:12   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
4430 wrote:
Anyone who hiked bales of hay as a young man is tops in my books !

We too were po-folk Dad ran a threshing crew for yrs then when self-propelled combines came in we had a neighbor that started a baling crew.

Did you ever run into any Bumblebees ?

We never had any alfalfa all we had was Ret Top , Lespedeza , Clover , Orchard Grass , Fescue Grass , Timothy .

We started a seed cleaning business in 1974 growing and selling certified seed plus custom seed cleaning which after 45 yrs have closed down !
I've sewed and stacked a lot of 60 # seed bags then we went to 50 # then mainly Bulk

I wouldn't trade it for anything .
Anyone who hiked bales of hay as a young man is to... (show quote)


No bumblebees, they hang around flower gardens more down south, ran into some wasps we call yellowjackets they'll make a nest in an open field at times if the grass is high enough. I've been stung by both.

Heard of all the grasses except for orchard grass.

I worked a lot of jobs but one of my favorites was a seed store. It had the old glass door seedboxes and there were seedboxes everywhere. Mostly wooden scoops and different size paper bags. All horse and mule sweet feed were in hundred-pound burlap sacks. The dolly for unloading trucks had a metal base and the rest was all wood almost an antique when I used it and about 6' tall. The first truck I unloaded I put four or five sacks on the dolly thinking I could control it down the ramp, wrong, it just picked me up and took me all the way through the store and almost onto Main street. Next time I only tried 200 lbs. I just loved the customers and the smell of the place and to me all the work was easy. The only store that smells better is a boot and saddle shop or a bread shop. One old black man came to town once a week with his two-mule drawn wagon and would stop and visit with the owner, they went back a long way to their childhoods, mostly horse or dog stories and coon hunting.

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Dec 4, 2019 08:55:09   #
Hug
 
Peewee wrote:
No bumblebees, they hang around flower gardens more down south, ran into some wasps we call yellowjackets they'll make a nest in an open field at times if the grass is high enough. I've been stung by both.

Heard of all the grasses except for orchard grass.

I worked a lot of jobs but one of my favorites was a seed store. It had the old glass door seedboxes and there were seedboxes everywhere. Mostly wooden scoops and different size paper bags. All horse and mule sweet feed were in hundred-pound burlap sacks. The dolly for unloading trucks had a metal base and the rest was all wood almost an antique when I used it and about 6' tall. The first truck I unloaded I put four or five sacks on the dolly thinking I could control it down the ramp, wrong, it just picked me up and took me all the way through the store and almost onto Main street. Next time I only tried 200 lbs. I just loved the customers and the smell of the place and to me all the work was easy. The only store that smells better is a boot and saddle shop or a bread shop. One old black man came to town once a week with his two-mule drawn wagon and would stop and visit with the owner, they went back a long way to their childhoods, mostly horse or dog stories and coon hunting.
No bumblebees, they hang around flower gardens mor... (show quote)


Hey guys, I love these post. Brings back a lot of memories. I farmed 200 acres with an old 9-N ford when I was in high school. We also used horses because sometimes the horses were better than the old tractor. Well remember the 100 pound burlap sacks of feed. Rode my horse to town when my mother wanted some little something from the local grocery store. There would generally be a team and wagon tied up at the local Farmers Exchange. Those were the good old days for me, but it was during WWII, so all was not good. I remember the town turning out for Bert Earl's funeral. Bert was k**led in a hedge row in France.

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Dec 4, 2019 09:14:14   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
Peewee wrote:
No bumblebees, they hang around flower gardens more down south, ran into some wasps we call yellowjackets they'll make a nest in an open field at times if the grass is high enough. I've been stung by both.

Heard of all the grasses except for orchard grass.

I worked a lot of jobs but one of my favorites was a seed store. It had the old glass door seedboxes and there were seedboxes everywhere. Mostly wooden scoops and different size paper bags. All horse and mule sweet feed were in hundred-pound burlap sacks. The dolly for unloading trucks had a metal base and the rest was all wood almost an antique when I used it and about 6' tall. The first truck I unloaded I put four or five sacks on the dolly thinking I could control it down the ramp, wrong, it just picked me up and took me all the way through the store and almost onto Main street. Next time I only tried 200 lbs. I just loved the customers and the smell of the place and to me all the work was easy. The only store that smells better is a boot and saddle shop or a bread shop. One old black man came to town once a week with his two-mule drawn wagon and would stop and visit with the owner, they went back a long way to their childhoods, mostly horse or dog stories and coon hunting.
No bumblebees, they hang around flower gardens mor... (show quote)


I agree with ya about the smells of seed houses and tack shops and I still like to go into old barns they too have a smell all of their own !

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Dec 4, 2019 09:16:06   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
Hug wrote:
Hey guys, I love these post. Brings back a lot of memories. I farmed 200 acres with an old 9-N ford when I was in high school. We also used horses because sometimes the horses were better than the old tractor. Well remember the 100 pound burlap sacks of feed. Rode my horse to town when my mother wanted some little something from the local grocery store. There would generally be a team and wagon tied up at the local Farmers Exchange. Those were the good old days for me, but it was during WWII, so all was not good. I remember the town turning out for Bert Earl's funeral. Bert was k**led in a hedge row in France.
Hey guys, I love these post. Brings back a lot of... (show quote)


I still remember when Dad brought the team up to the watering tough from planting I was around 5 or 6 and did those horses look Big !

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