Cuda2020

You correct in the assumption that the smaller farmer suffers and doesn't get the reprieve the large corporate farms do, many of which are farms being used for tax right offs and subsidies, It's a real shame because as the small local farmer goes under they are being bought up by foreigners, as in the Chinese.

It's also true that they try to control and manipulate what grows for supply and demand and to keep the price from falling to low. They do the same thing with fishing, controlling the amount to be caught for two reasons, to preserve the stock and for a good marketable price.

Hug

Barracuda, it matters a lot. If you are not a farmer or rancher, how would you know much of anything about how subsidies work for small farmers or ranchers. If you an accountant for a large agriculture corporation, then you might know something about how large corporations take advantage of farm subsidies. Personally, I am not in favor of farm subsidies, however, subsidies for dairy corporations end up making milk cheaper in the store. I believe folks would have a hard time affording milk without dairy subsidies.

Cuda2020

We all pay insurance, why should it be any different for them, with all this dramatic c*****e c****e farmers are at a higher risk and need that insurance. Just as Homes that live on the water need flood insurance. What mandates are you referring to, I can't think of one business that doesn't have to adhere to rules and regulations, and they are there for a good reason.

Cuda2020

You're missing the point, either way you slice it, whether for the auto industry, airlines, banking, real estate or farming when we have to pay out, that is our money being spent to bail out. Some people feel, not do bailouts, let them fall, survivor of the fittest, on the other hand, some wanted to give a hand up to keep and industry from failing. Either way, all these businesses carry jobs for Americans, correct. We want to avoid businesses getting into a disaster mode.

The farmers were doing fine before Trump threw a grenade into the works. There are other better approaches than constantly blowing things up for attention. It's hard enough to survive as a farmer without someone throwing a hatchet into the turbine.

It's not about how the subsides work, that a different conversation, it's how much we are spending.

4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory

That's a bit hard to answer in a short time so I'll take a stab at a short version !

First off it'd be tough but they could have 40 to 50 yrs age !
Today the government has gotten in complete control of the food supply it will never happen !

Reason being the government want the American people to pay the lowest cost for food any where in the world !

Back when I was farming 1000 acres my buy up crop insurance premium at the 75% rate cost me $35000 per year on my adjusted yields there a lot more to it that I haven't the time to explain .
At that level I could have a loss on just one farm and get paid but not have a loss on the rest of the farm.

It got too expensive so I down graded to Enterprise units costing $7000 per year however for me to collect I would have to have a complete failure in order to collect payment !

Now this premium is after the Government subsidized the crop insurance companies with out Government farmers couldn't afford crop insurance !


Currently the Government handles all the surplus farm products so if that was all gone then the farmers would be responsible to handle all the surplus !

This would be a tremendous burden for farmers to carry so the problem with surpluses prices are low and many times below cost of production in this case farmers would stop growing and or producing .

Now take into account a drought comes into play surpluses go down to very low levels it will take some time for stocks to be added to a safe level !

So all in all if the government got completely out of agriculture many farmers couldn't make it and when the dust settled those that remained would only produce what would provide a large enough profit to make money !

There would be no cheap food at the grocery stores !

So the choice is do Americans want cheap food then the Government will have to subsidize the farmers whether or not we like it !

Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

You mentioned that farmer subsidies from the Trump administration aimed at mitigating the effects of the U.S.-China trade war have reached $28 billion, about double the amount of money shelled out in the government bailout of Detroit automakers in 2009.

I guess that depends which “spin” you put on it.

Between Obama and Bush, the U.S. spent about $80 billion to rescue GM, Chrysler, and their auto-part suppliers. With all the government-held shares sold, Uncle Sam booked a $10.5 billion loss on its GM investment. The U.S. lost another $1.2 billion on Chrysler.

You suck at math.

https://theweek.com/articles/454749/auto-bailout-officially-over-heres-what-america-lost-gained

4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory

Where in the world are you ?

That small farmer was blowing smoke up your rear end in everything he told you !

4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory

Obama did too more than all previous administrations combined !

4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory

Man you sure can blow smoke !

Farmers have always had good times as well as back times well before Trump I guess you've enjoyed getting screwed by China all these years with their unfair trade deals !

Trump is the only President that has taken a stand and has the Balls and Backbone to change it for the good of America !

Hug

Like everything, good management is the answer. I believe a small farmer can survive with proper management. I believe a lot of farms go out of existence just because the kids do not want the life style. Farming and ranching is a way of life and not a way to get rich.

Rose42

That means you’re not and have no idea the challenges small farmers face.

Trump is ramping up debt like Obama before him. Democrats think they are smarter yet they point fingers at everything but themselves and are unable to accomplish anything either. The average person is a paycheck away from being homeless. That includes democrats.

Hug

Barracuda, we might be on the same page. Again, I am not in favor of agriculture subsidies. I don't believe the Trump policies are hurting the farmer or rancher, but they are costing the tax payer. There is the dairy subsidy that could be necessary to bring milk to the consumer. Low income folks will have a hard time affording milk for the babies if the dairy subsidies were not in place.

Hug

4430, You seem to know what you are talking about. Thanks for the information.

Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX

That was a pretty good short version. I understood it. Thank you, appreciate the info!

4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory

I'm 74 and still farming 550 acre corn soybeans and wheat I'm down from 1000 acres as I'm slowly winding down possibly retiring next year when my Lease tractor is due to be returned or buy if I want to !

With the exception of spending 4 yrs in the Military I've spent my entire life on the farm so I've almost have 60 yrs of actual crop farming under my belt !

I am considered a small farmer I farm mostly with older used equipment as I can't afford ½ Million dollar combines and tractors .