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Dec 2, 2019 18:56:49   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
permafrost wrote:
found nothing, used Duck Duck go....


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-impeachment-burisma/ukraine-widens-probe-against-burisma-founder-to-embezzlement-of-state-funds-idUSKBN1XU2N7

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Dec 2, 2019 19:02:16   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
permafrost wrote:
found nothing, used Duck Duck go....


http://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukrainian-indictment-reveals-h****r-biden-group-made-165-million-mp

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Dec 2, 2019 19:04:42   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
permafrost wrote:
found nothing, used Duck Duck go....


http://www.foxnews.com/media/john-solomon-says-new-h****r-biden-related-doc-shows-significant-shift-in-factual-timeline

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Dec 2, 2019 19:18:47   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
I have news for you, Russia still IS a super power. Power is in the ability to destroy something. You might not be convinced that Russia would not use their nuclear arsenal. Well, neither is Russia convinced that we wouldn't either. And as far as using it goes, we are the only country to ever use it on civilians and the rest of the world remembers that, especially Russia who faced an ally, the US, turn on them immediately after WWII.

If anything, Putin wants Russia to be an economic power, strong economically like the US. Russia is surrounded by hostiles and Putin knows that as well. Putin wants what the Russian people want. He is ethnically Russian and works for ethnic Russia. Putin also sees the risk of ever rising Islamic numbers.

We'd better stay on good terms with Russia; not as they are a threat to us but rather, as an ally in times of need. It was Russia and the US who took out ISIS, not the US.
I have news for you, Russia still IS a super power... (show quote)




I am not sure what point you are trying to make,, you could not be celebrating the fact of Putin owning our orange ding bat lock stock and barrel?

Why are you sounding so pro Russia? following your criminal in charge directions??



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Dec 2, 2019 19:27:43   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-impeachment-burisma/ukraine-widens-probe-against-burisma-founder-to-embezzlement-of-state-funds-idUSKBN1XU2N7


Reuters seems to have good information.... the criminal must have run off to Russia, they can not locate him..

As for the Biden, I included a paragraph of the slander from trump..

the other two, FOX and zerohedge,, or wh**ever are not worthy of a look if you want any t***h at all..

KIEV (Reuters) - Ukraine has widened its investigation into the founder of energy company Burisma to include suspicion of embezzling state funds, Prosecutor General Ruslan Ryaboshapka said on Wednesday.


Allegations of wrongdoing at Burisma go to the heart of a U.S. impeachment inquiry into whether President Donald Trump improperly pressured Ukraine’s leadership to investigate his main rival in the 2020 p**********l race.

Trump wants Ukraine to launch an investigation into former Vice President Joe Biden and his son H****r, who was a board member at Burisma from 2014-2019.

The prosecutor who has investigated Burisma is Kostiantyn Kulyk, who previously met Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani to discuss accusations against the Bidens.

Giuliani has previously told Reuters he met Kulyk in Paris. He said at that meeting Kulyk echoed allegations that in 2016 Joe Biden as Vice President had tried to have Ukraine’s then-chief prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, fired to stop him investigating Burisma. Biden has accused Giuliani of peddling “false, debunked conspiracy theories” for repeating these allegations.

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Dec 2, 2019 19:31:21   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
permafrost wrote:
I am not sure what point you are trying to make,, you could not be celebrating the fact of Putin owning our orange ding bat lock stock and barrel?

Why are you sounding so pro Russia? following your criminal in charge directions??


Yes, Putin told Trump to give lethal aid to Ukraine to use against the Russian military. LOL! Shrewd!!

Fact is, back in 2016, Ukraine worked to help Hillary. Just ask Manifort.

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Dec 3, 2019 12:04:29   #
rebob14
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
By Chuck Todd, Mark Murray and Carrie Dann

WASHINGTON — More than two months after the impeachment inquiry against President Donald Trump began, you can break down the entire fight into four simple questions.

One, did the president of the United States ask another country to interfere in the upcoming 2020 e******n — against possible Democratic rival Joe Biden?

(The answer sure appears to be a yes, whether it was in the partial transcript of that July 25 call with Ukraine’s president or Trump’s own words on Oct. 3: “Well, I would think that, if they were honest about it, they’d start a major investigation into the Bidens. It’s a very simple answer.”)
Trump rejects invitation to appear at this week’s impeachment hearing
Dec. 2, 201902:10

Two, did Trump and his administration withhold military aid and a White House visit to compel Ukraine to start this investigation into Joe Biden and his son?

Three, were those actions — first the ask of interference, then the temporary withholding of military aid — an abuse of the president’s powers?

(Here’s the president’s oath of office: “I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of president of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”)

And four — and most importantly — do those actions amount to impeachable offenses?

(The Constitution says the following offenses are impeachable: “treason, bribery and other high crimes and misdemeanors.”)

So forget the poll numbers and where each party’s base is (though that will ultimately determine whether Trump remains in office). And forget all of the questions about procedure and fairness.

The entire impeachment saga comes down to this question: Did the president violate his oath of office and his stewardship of the executive branch by asking a foreign leader to investigate a political rival – and by trying to compel the foreign leader to do so?

That’s the question almost everyone was asking two months ago, when the impeachment inquiry began.

And it’s the question that everyone still needs to ask today.

The challenge for Democrats, however, is that there are two different impeachment conversations going on — 1) the substance and 2) everything else.

And right now, Republicans have succeeded in turning the conversation to the latter.





#1. I guess it just goes right over their head that there is obvious corruption in the Burisma/Biden connection so if Trump says, hey, there's corruption here, the left can only see that Joe Biden is a p**********l candidate; never mind that he's also a potential crook of great proportion AND that he brought all this attention upon himself as he bragged about the power he wielded as VP under Obama. And lest we forget, Biden cited Obama in his "brag" as being fully knowledgeable and supportive of the extortion he was "wielding" against the president of Ukraine. Obama has yet to endorse Biden and. in fact, I'm thinking Obama would, instead, want to b***h slap the i***t big mouth!

#2. It's clear the Trump wanted to hold off on the "visit" until he got the "deliverable" which was specifically noted to be a statement by Ukraine related to their efforts to clean up the corruption in their country. It just so happens that Biden was a part of that AND it was going on long before Biden decided to try to be president and Trump was also looking into it long before then as well. As for the military aid, that isn't so clear and members of the budget division involved in holding up the funds have made it clear that the president was concerned about corruption AND the contributions from other countries. Add to that, Ukraine didn't even know about the hold up and you just don't have much to go on other than the anti-Trump h**e which, of course, is going to paint this as a Trump attempt to get at Biden. Why wouldn't they. They are certainly NOT HONEST about it.

#3. I don't know why they cite the president's oath of office here but in my mind, the president's oath includes going after corruption where ever it crops up and with whom ever it turns out to involve. Oh, I'm sure Trump is smart enough to see how it would effect the democrats. Duh. Would that be an excuse to ignore the obvious corruption?? I don't see that in the oath of office, so thanks for citing that, NBC!

#4. Impeachable "offenses?" Well, it seems that virtually anything can be an impeachable "offense" but was anything illegal done? To me, ignoring the Burisma/Biden corruption would be illegal. I'm sure the Trump hating crowd will claim there are impeachable "offenses" but it would seem that only "they" are offended, not the rest of us which brings me to my final point:

How can a president be impeached by a partisan crowd? In fact, the most "bipartisan" part of this, involving two democratic congressmen who don't want to move forward on it, is to not impeach. Even Pelosi said it must be bi-partisan; her own words. Is she not the democratic leader? Is she not the speaker of the house? Does she not have the power to enforce her own beliefs on the subject??

We will see.
By Chuck Todd, Mark Murray and Carrie Dann br br ... (show quote)


The fundamental fact underlying this entire pop culture theater presentation is each participants estimation of their own re-electability .............every other consideration rests on that!!!

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Dec 3, 2019 12:18:34   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
I have news for you, Russia still IS a super power. Power is in the ability to destroy something. You might not be convinced that Russia would not use their nuclear arsenal. Well, neither is Russia convinced that we wouldn't either. And as far as using it goes, we are the only country to ever use it on civilians and the rest of the world remembers that, especially Russia who faced an ally, the US, turn on them immediately after WWII.

If anything, Putin wants Russia to be an economic power, strong economically like the US. Russia is surrounded by hostiles and Putin knows that as well. Putin wants what the Russian people want. He is ethnically Russian and works for ethnic Russia. Putin also sees the risk of ever rising Islamic numbers.

We'd better stay on good terms with Russia; not as they are a threat to us but rather, as an ally in times of need. It was Russia and the US who took out ISIS, not the US.
I have news for you, Russia still IS a super power... (show quote)


I agree I don't trust most people or nations. That being said I trust Russia more than China.

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Dec 3, 2019 14:08:05   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Peewee wrote:
I agree I don't trust most people or nations. That being said I trust Russia more than China.


Totally agree. I think China would love to break out of her borders.

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Dec 3, 2019 15:56:33   #
Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ
 
permafrost wrote:
It seems to go reight over your head, the Orange slime that you are so proud of sitting in our oval office tried to get Ukraine to make a public announcement of an investigation of Biden son..
No interest in any t***h, he wanted the claim so he could to the "lock him up" chant which he loved so much from the false hoods about Hillary.. he wants to do it again..

Truoble is, the corruption is all from the red h**ers and that is what is being investagated, the Bidens are not any part of it..

But you will have your way, congress may well impeach the criminal wallowing in the white house, but the senate will not remove him.

trump has mountains of money to spend on his attempt at ree******n. after all he has a clear record of rewarding his fans.. send a million dollars and get to be an ambassador.. no less the 5 so rewarded..
Money for favors, that is the life of the orange Nair do well..

All his life money has made him Teflon... When he squandered daddy s money, the nice guy Putin produced more millions for him to cover his ass and now we see the payment from trump to Putin..

Love it don`t you!!
It seems to go reight over your head, the Orange s... (show quote)


Your last part of your post is so laughable it needn't be rebutted. The other about a ambassador, is so hilarious it almost made me fall off my chair. I guess no Democrat has ever done such a thing after becoming President of the United States.

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Dec 3, 2019 16:26:33   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
By Chuck Todd, Mark Murray and Carrie Dann

WASHINGTON — More than two months after the impeachment inquiry against President Donald Trump began, you can break down the entire fight into four simple questions.

One, did the president of the United States ask another country to interfere in the upcoming 2020 e******n — against possible Democratic rival Joe Biden?

(The answer sure appears to be a yes, whether it was in the partial transcript of that July 25 call with Ukraine’s president or Trump’s own words on Oct. 3: “Well, I would think that, if they were honest about it, they’d start a major investigation into the Bidens. It’s a very simple answer.”)
Trump rejects invitation to appear at this week’s impeachment hearing
Dec. 2, 201902:10

Two, did Trump and his administration withhold military aid and a White House visit to compel Ukraine to start this investigation into Joe Biden and his son?

Three, were those actions — first the ask of interference, then the temporary withholding of military aid — an abuse of the president’s powers?

(Here’s the president’s oath of office: “I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of president of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”)

And four — and most importantly — do those actions amount to impeachable offenses?

(The Constitution says the following offenses are impeachable: “treason, bribery and other high crimes and misdemeanors.”)

So forget the poll numbers and where each party’s base is (though that will ultimately determine whether Trump remains in office). And forget all of the questions about procedure and fairness.

The entire impeachment saga comes down to this question: Did the president violate his oath of office and his stewardship of the executive branch by asking a foreign leader to investigate a political rival – and by trying to compel the foreign leader to do so?

That’s the question almost everyone was asking two months ago, when the impeachment inquiry began.

And it’s the question that everyone still needs to ask today.

The challenge for Democrats, however, is that there are two different impeachment conversations going on — 1) the substance and 2) everything else.

And right now, Republicans have succeeded in turning the conversation to the latter.





#1. I guess it just goes right over their head that there is obvious corruption in the Burisma/Biden connection so if Trump says, hey, there's corruption here, the left can only see that Joe Biden is a p**********l candidate; never mind that he's also a potential crook of great proportion AND that he brought all this attention upon himself as he bragged about the power he wielded as VP under Obama. And lest we forget, Biden cited Obama in his "brag" as being fully knowledgeable and supportive of the extortion he was "wielding" against the president of Ukraine. Obama has yet to endorse Biden and. in fact, I'm thinking Obama would, instead, want to b***h slap the i***t big mouth!

#2. It's clear the Trump wanted to hold off on the "visit" until he got the "deliverable" which was specifically noted to be a statement by Ukraine related to their efforts to clean up the corruption in their country. It just so happens that Biden was a part of that AND it was going on long before Biden decided to try to be president and Trump was also looking into it long before then as well. As for the military aid, that isn't so clear and members of the budget division involved in holding up the funds have made it clear that the president was concerned about corruption AND the contributions from other countries. Add to that, Ukraine didn't even know about the hold up and you just don't have much to go on other than the anti-Trump h**e which, of course, is going to paint this as a Trump attempt to get at Biden. Why wouldn't they. They are certainly NOT HONEST about it.

#3. I don't know why they cite the president's oath of office here but in my mind, the president's oath includes going after corruption where ever it crops up and with whom ever it turns out to involve. Oh, I'm sure Trump is smart enough to see how it would effect the democrats. Duh. Would that be an excuse to ignore the obvious corruption?? I don't see that in the oath of office, so thanks for citing that, NBC!

#4. Impeachable "offenses?" Well, it seems that virtually anything can be an impeachable "offense" but was anything illegal done? To me, ignoring the Burisma/Biden corruption would be illegal. I'm sure the Trump hating crowd will claim there are impeachable "offenses" but it would seem that only "they" are offended, not the rest of us which brings me to my final point:

How can a president be impeached by a partisan crowd? In fact, the most "bipartisan" part of this, involving two democratic congressmen who don't want to move forward on it, is to not impeach. Even Pelosi said it must be bi-partisan; her own words. Is she not the democratic leader? Is she not the speaker of the house? Does she not have the power to enforce her own beliefs on the subject??

We will see.
By Chuck Todd, Mark Murray and Carrie Dann br br ... (show quote)


You left out one perhaps important thing. There is a treaty between the US and Ukraina cooperation treaty. So was Trump right to ask after all Zelensky did run on a stamp out corruption ticket.

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Dec 3, 2019 16:36:02   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
Lt. Rob Polans ret. wrote:
You left out one perhaps important thing. There is a treaty between the US and Ukraina cooperation treaty. So was Trump right to ask after all Zelensky did run on a stamp out corruption ticket.


Of course, he was right to ask. He is over the DOJ and that makes him sort of the top cop in the nation too.

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Dec 4, 2019 18:33:11   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
What makes Putin so dangerous?


Perafrosts say so.

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Dec 4, 2019 18:54:55   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
America 1 wrote:
Perafrosts say so.


Ah, you got me there!

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