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Nov 28, 2019 21:37:02   #
2bltap Loc: Move to the Mainland
 
factnotfiction wrote:
Since trump just sided with Hong Kong and pissed China off, the chance of a new trade deal may have just vanished like the truth when trump or his con supporters try to spin a lie.

That said, if trump is telling the truth that China's economy is much worse than the U.S economy, and that China is paying billions and billions and billions of dollars into the treasury, the question becomes why should trump ever end his tariffs on China, in fact why not increase both the rate of tariffs and expand the number of products affected by the trump tariffs.

In a few years or less, trump could bankrupt China, and lower taxes here even further. And pay down the ever increasing trump monthly deficit and ever increasing national debt.

Sounds like a plan that all trump cons should be able to support, so why won't trump do it?
Since trump just sided with Hong Kong and pissed C... (show quote)


Tell you what. Become President Trump and you will be privy to all of the behind the scenes things he knows and is aware of and then ask that question. Sound like a plan?

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Nov 28, 2019 21:41:40   #
son of witless
 
factnotfiction wrote:
No need to run, however your analogy of a dr and heart patient is a little weak. I think the usual con claim that the military was not allowed to win the various wars like Viet Nam and Korea are in line with the original question.

And perhaps, tho it is doubtful, some of the less intellectual may actually learn something from our 'conversations'


If you wish to expand our little talk into other areas I can accommodate you. However, trying to tie Vietnam and Korea into your bashing, and my defending of Trump's tariffs will not be easy to follow for the " less intellectual " who may or may not still be following this cordial exchange.

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Nov 28, 2019 21:53:09   #
useful mattoid 45
 
vernon wrote:
I guess when your a chink lover china is the good guys.


Oh ug. I hope you're not an American Vernon

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Nov 28, 2019 22:28:48   #
Ricktloml
 
vernon wrote:
I guess when your a chink lover china is the good guys.


It's worse than that. HATRED has poisoned those on the left, hatred of President Trump, hatred of his supporters, hatred of a free America and it's values, that rational thinking is beyond their capability.

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Nov 28, 2019 23:33:16   #
Ricktloml
 
byronglimish wrote:
Yep, it seems that you and the boy Kenyan believe drawing lines in the sand policy is all it takes....sort of just run your lips.

President Trump has proven himself a worthy opponent.

Before you say no, who is the Demoprog champion to unseat the President, and solve the world's difficulties?

Come on, puff ball, who's going to meet the challenge?


The Obama sycophants liked sad-faced people holding hash-tag signs. Of course NOTHING was ever accomplished, (more young girls were kidnapped and made sex slaves, countries were invaded by radical Islamists, and on and on,) but the left really got to virtue signal, and tell themselves how much better than everyone else they are. Sick and pathetic, but normal for the left.

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Nov 28, 2019 23:39:12   #
byronglimish Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Ricktloml wrote:
The Obama sycophants liked sad-faced people holding hash-tag signs. Of course NOTHING was ever accomplished, (more young girls were kidnapped and made sex slaves, countries were invaded by radical Islamists, and on and on,) but the left really got to virtue signal, and tell themselves how much better than everyone else they are. Sick and pathetic, but normal for the left.




Normal deviants.

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Nov 28, 2019 23:57:49   #
useful mattoid 45
 
Ricktloml wrote:
The Obama sycophants liked sad-faced people holding hash-tag signs. Of course NOTHING was ever accomplished, (more young girls were kidnapped and made sex slaves, countries were invaded by radical Islamists, and on and on,) but the left really got to virtue signal, and tell themselves how much better than everyone else they are. Sick and pathetic, but normal for the left.


Russian troll alert

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Nov 29, 2019 00:28:55   #
EconomistDon
 
woodguru wrote:
Meanwhile the trump administration has gone into FED QE at a very high rate...Obama used quantitative easing coming out of a recession, which is where it is best applied, and then it slows down and stops as the economy gets stronger. Trump is heavily buying bonds and debt on top of accelerating the deficit debt increase from where it was. Used to try to decrease the effects of a recession negates the effect it can have on a recovery from a recession once it's real, this makes a recession worse.


Woody, you and Nofactsjustfiction sound like Dumb and Dumber. Neither of you know what you are talking about. The Fed used quantitative easing for nearly eight long years, through QE, QE2, QE3, and QEForever. The peak hit $85 billion in T-bill and T-bond purchases per month under QEForever. The recession was over years before that, the late QEs were only setting us up for inflation down the road without doing anything for the current economy. That was a tremendous amount of T-bonds and T-bills that needed to be unwound carefully to avoid driving up interest rates. The great unwind has been proceeding for nearly three years, and it has had a negative effect on the economy. The big news hit the street this past summer that the yield curve went negative. And that has ALWAYS been a red light warning of impending recession. The Fed understands that and is acting to ease the negative impact of the great unwind, lest they push us into recession.

And then there is Nofactsjustfiction's rant about tariffs on China. Chinese businesses pay their workers 25 cents on the dollar compared with American union wages. So China can produce goods and ship them to America far cheaper than American factories can. Furthermore, China limits imports from America, and some goods are banned completely. This makes for a very unfair playing field. The purpose for Trump's tariffs are two-fold. First, they increase the price of Chinese goods coming to America, which gives American-made goods a better chance to compete. Second, they force China's hand to remove limits on imports of American goods to their country. The tariffs hurt China's business, and they are feeling it. Trump is a top notch negotiator; he is using their tariff pain to gain the removal of import limits on American goods. So don't be confused by on-again and off-again tariffs. Trump is negotiating more business and more jobs for American workers. We should all be thanking him, not ridiculing him.

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Nov 29, 2019 00:35:53   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Very well stated Don. Unfortunately will not make a dent in the two you addressed. They are too ideologically opposed to see it your way; too dumb or both.
EconomistDon wrote:
Woody, you and Nofactsjustfiction sound like Dumb and Dumber. Neither of you know what you are talking about. The Fed used quantitative easing for nearly eight long years, through QE, QE2, QE3, and QEForever. The peak hit $85 billion in T-bill and T-bond purchases per month under QEForever. The recession was over years before that, the late QEs were only setting us up for inflation down the road without doing anything for the current economy. That was a tremendous amount of T-bonds and T-bills that needed to be unwound carefully to avoid driving up interest rates. The great unwind has been proceeding for nearly three years, and it has had a negative effect on the economy. The big news hit the street this past summer that the yield curve went negative. And that has ALWAYS been a red light warning of impending recession. The Fed understands that and is acting to ease the negative impact of the great unwind, lest they push us into recession.

And then there is Nofactsjustfiction's rant about tariffs on China. Chinese businesses pay their workers 25 cents on the dollar compared with American union wages. So China can produce goods and ship them to America far cheaper than American factories can. Furthermore, China limits imports from America, and some goods are banned completely. This makes for a very unfair playing field. The purpose for Trump's tariffs are two-fold. First, they increase the price of Chinese goods coming to America, which gives American-made goods a better chance to compete. Second, they force China's hand to remove limits on imports of American goods to their country. The tariffs hurt China's business, and they are feeling it. Trump is a top notch negotiator; he is using their tariff pain to gain the removal of import limits on American goods. So don't be confused by on-again and off-again tariffs. Trump is negotiating more business and more jobs for American workers. We should all be thanking him, not ridiculing him.
Woody, you and Nofactsjustfiction sound like Dumb ... (show quote)

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Nov 29, 2019 00:52:14   #
EconomistDon
 
JFlorio wrote:
Very well stated Don. Unfortunately will not make a dent in the two you addressed. They are too ideologically opposed to see it your way; too dumb or both.


Thanks JFlorio. I spent 36 years explaining economics to the media and dim-witted politicians. Funny story -- one politician's office always had us shaking our heads in disbelief. Joe Biden was a Delaware Senator at the time and always asked the dumbest questions. Imagine my surprise when he became Vice President.

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Nov 29, 2019 01:11:17   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
EconomistDon wrote:
Thanks JFlorio. I spent 36 years explaining economics to the media and dim-witted politicians. Funny story -- one politician's office always had us shaking our heads in disbelief. Joe Biden was a Delaware Senator at the time and always asked the dumbest questions. Imagine my surprise when he became Vice President.


LOL. Say it ain’t so. Joe asking dumb questions? IMO policies can generally be looked at in advance and know if said policy is doable and will work as advertised. It’s called statistics and math. Something the U.S. student seems to comprehend less of every year.

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Nov 29, 2019 07:45:00   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of NYC & Rhode Island
 
factnotfiction wrote:
Since trump just sided with Hong Kong and pissed China off, the chance of a new trade deal may have just vanished like the truth when trump or his con supporters try to spin a lie.

That said, if trump is telling the truth that China's economy is much worse than the U.S economy, and that China is paying billions and billions and billions of dollars into the treasury, the question becomes why should trump ever end his tariffs on China, in fact why not increase both the rate of tariffs and expand the number of products affected by the trump tariffs.

In a few years or less, trump could bankrupt China, and lower taxes here even further. And pay down the ever increasing trump monthly deficit and ever increasing national debt.

Sounds like a plan that all trump cons should be able to support, so why won't trump do it?
Since trump just sided with Hong Kong and pissed C... (show quote)



Any simpleton can recognize that is not simple questions. I guess you're not even a simpleton.

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Nov 29, 2019 08:17:34   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
factnotfiction wrote:
Since trump just sided with Hong Kong and pissed China off, the chance of a new trade deal may have just vanished like the truth when trump or his con supporters try to spin a lie.

That said, if trump is telling the truth that China's economy is much worse than the U.S economy, and that China is paying billions and billions and billions of dollars into the treasury, the question becomes why should trump ever end his tariffs on China, in fact why not increase both the rate of tariffs and expand the number of products affected by the trump tariffs.

In a few years or less, trump could bankrupt China, and lower taxes here even further. And pay down the ever increasing trump monthly deficit and ever increasing national debt.

Sounds like a plan that all trump cons should be able to support, so why won't trump do it?
Since trump just sided with Hong Kong and pissed C... (show quote)


Snort....

China's economy is fine...

And will continue to improve...

Alibaba just entered the Hong Kong stock market... Wish I hadn't sold my stock last year...

China is pissed... But it's not the first time America has pulled this sort of thing...

The Chinese won't allow it to derail trade negotiations...

FYI... There are plenty of news sources outside of America that can give you perspective on these affairs...

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Nov 29, 2019 08:18:44   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
useful mattoid 45 wrote:
Oh ug. I hope you're not an American Vernon


You'd be shocked at how racist and unPC the Chinese are... Chink doesn't phase them...

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Nov 29, 2019 08:20:11   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
EconomistDon wrote:
Woody, you and Nofactsjustfiction sound like Dumb and Dumber. Neither of you know what you are talking about. The Fed used quantitative easing for nearly eight long years, through QE, QE2, QE3, and QEForever. The peak hit $85 billion in T-bill and T-bond purchases per month under QEForever. The recession was over years before that, the late QEs were only setting us up for inflation down the road without doing anything for the current economy. That was a tremendous amount of T-bonds and T-bills that needed to be unwound carefully to avoid driving up interest rates. The great unwind has been proceeding for nearly three years, and it has had a negative effect on the economy. The big news hit the street this past summer that the yield curve went negative. And that has ALWAYS been a red light warning of impending recession. The Fed understands that and is acting to ease the negative impact of the great unwind, lest they push us into recession.

And then there is Nofactsjustfiction's rant about tariffs on China. Chinese businesses pay their workers 25 cents on the dollar compared with American union wages. So China can produce goods and ship them to America far cheaper than American factories can. Furthermore, China limits imports from America, and some goods are banned completely. This makes for a very unfair playing field. The purpose for Trump's tariffs are two-fold. First, they increase the price of Chinese goods coming to America, which gives American-made goods a better chance to compete. Second, they force China's hand to remove limits on imports of American goods to their country. The tariffs hurt China's business, and they are feeling it. Trump is a top notch negotiator; he is using their tariff pain to gain the removal of import limits on American goods. So don't be confused by on-again and off-again tariffs. Trump is negotiating more business and more jobs for American workers. We should all be thanking him, not ridiculing him.
Woody, you and Nofactsjustfiction sound like Dumb ... (show quote)



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