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Nov 10, 2019 18:31:55   #
rumitoid
 
Romans14:1: Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters.

All that is necessary for salvation is this: “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast” (Ephesians 2:8-9 NIV). Good works are the natural outcome of following salvation through Christ.

Neither is salvation universal, meaning that not everyone will be saved. This does not mean that God does not love everyone. Indeed, He “wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth” (1 Timothy 2:4 NIV). But only Christ is “the way and the truth and the life” (John 14:6 NIV).

Salvation is not found in legalism, either. Strict adherence to a list of do’s and don’ts is not what Christian salvation is about. Romans 3:20 reads, “no one will be declared righteous in his [God’s] sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.” We all “fall short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23 NIV).

Biblical Salvation

What then is biblical salvation? It’s not by works, legalism enlightenment, and it’s not universal. What, then, must we do to be saved? It’s important to keep in mind that salvation encompasses what God has done for us, not what we can do for Him. God has taken the initiative in His plan of redemption, reaching out to us through Christ. Hence, the answer regarding the question of salvation as given by Paul and Silas is, “Believe in the Lord Jesus …” (Acts 16:31 NIV). The Greek word translated “believe” in the passage is pisteuo, meaning “to believe, put one’s faith in, trust, with an implication that actions based on that trust may follow.”[2] Belief, then, encompasses more than just knowing about Jesus. One must also act on this knowledge, combining faith and trust and acting on it.

Salvation also entails repentance – a sincere willingness to radically change our behavior (see, for instance Matthew 3:2; 4:17; Mark 6:12; Luke 13:3-5; Acts 2:38). There is a certain degree of humility that is also required on our part in order to submit to Christ and receive salvation. In the story of the jailer, for instance, we are told he “fell trembling before Paul and Silas” (Acts 16:29 NIV). He also addressed them as “Sirs,” using a term of respect and acknowledging the authority of Paul and Silas in Christ. In other words, the roles are reversed. Rather than the Christian prisoners being under the authority of the jailer, it is the jailer who now humbly submits to them, sincerely seeking God’s salvation.
Salvation: Simple But Deep

The Christian message of salvation is simple enough for everyone to understand, but deep enough to entail a lifetime of study. Salvation is very much interconnected to other aspects of theology such as the meaning of Christ’s Atonement, the human condition, God’s attributes such as His justice and holiness, our eternal destiny and more. “Jesus is Lord” is a simple statement of faith, but in relation to salvation it’s important to know who Jesus is, who He claimed to be and what it means to believe and follow Him.

The Apostle Paul summarized the message of salvation – the Gospel – in 1 Corinthians 15, where he wrote, under divine inspiration: “Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Peter, and then to the Twelve” (1 Corinthians 15:1-5 NIV).

In this passage Paul stresses the literal death and resurrection of Christ, “for our sins,” the biblical foundations for this (acknowledging the authority of the Bible), and the proof provided by Christ’s many post-resurrection appearances.

Belief in the Trinity is nowhere a concern.
https://www.focusonthefamily.com/faith/what-must-i-do-to-be-saved/

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Nov 10, 2019 19:36:08   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
rumitoid wrote:
Romans14:1: Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters.

All that is necessary for salvation is this: “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast” (Ephesians 2:8-9 NIV). Good works are the natural outcome of following salvation through Christ.

Neither is salvation universal, meaning that not everyone will be saved. This does not mean that God does not love everyone. Indeed, He “wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth” (1 Timothy 2:4 NIV). But only Christ is “the way and the truth and the life” (John 14:6 NIV).

Salvation is not found in legalism, either. Strict adherence to a list of do’s and don’ts is not what Christian salvation is about. Romans 3:20 reads, “no one will be declared righteous in his [God’s] sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.” We all “fall short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23 NIV).

Biblical Salvation

What then is biblical salvation? It’s not by works, legalism enlightenment, and it’s not universal. What, then, must we do to be saved? It’s important to keep in mind that salvation encompasses what God has done for us, not what we can do for Him. God has taken the initiative in His plan of redemption, reaching out to us through Christ. Hence, the answer regarding the question of salvation as given by Paul and Silas is, “Believe in the Lord Jesus …” (Acts 16:31 NIV). The Greek word translated “believe” in the passage is pisteuo, meaning “to believe, put one’s faith in, trust, with an implication that actions based on that trust may follow.”[2] Belief, then, encompasses more than just knowing about Jesus. One must also act on this knowledge, combining faith and trust and acting on it.

Salvation also entails repentance – a sincere willingness to radically change our behavior (see, for instance Matthew 3:2; 4:17; Mark 6:12; Luke 13:3-5; Acts 2:38). There is a certain degree of humility that is also required on our part in order to submit to Christ and receive salvation. In the story of the jailer, for instance, we are told he “fell trembling before Paul and Silas” (Acts 16:29 NIV). He also addressed them as “Sirs,” using a term of respect and acknowledging the authority of Paul and Silas in Christ. In other words, the roles are reversed. Rather than the Christian prisoners being under the authority of the jailer, it is the jailer who now humbly submits to them, sincerely seeking God’s salvation.
Salvation: Simple But Deep

The Christian message of salvation is simple enough for everyone to understand, but deep enough to entail a lifetime of study. Salvation is very much interconnected to other aspects of theology such as the meaning of Christ’s Atonement, the human condition, God’s attributes such as His justice and holiness, our eternal destiny and more. “Jesus is Lord” is a simple statement of faith, but in relation to salvation it’s important to know who Jesus is, who He claimed to be and what it means to believe and follow Him.

The Apostle Paul summarized the message of salvation – the Gospel – in 1 Corinthians 15, where he wrote, under divine inspiration: “Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Peter, and then to the Twelve” (1 Corinthians 15:1-5 NIV).

In this passage Paul stresses the literal death and resurrection of Christ, “for our sins,” the biblical foundations for this (acknowledging the authority of the Bible), and the proof provided by Christ’s many post-resurrection appearances.

Belief in the Trinity is nowhere a concern.
https://www.focusonthefamily.com/faith/what-must-i-do-to-be-saved/
Romans14:1: Accept the one whose faith is weak, wi... (show quote)

What is necessary for salvation? Read Romans 10:9-13.

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Nov 10, 2019 19:40:15   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Parky60 wrote:
What is necessary for salvation? Read Romans 10:9-13.


Romans
10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10:10
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
10:11
For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
10:12
For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
10:13
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.


Absolutely Parky...

Good follow up on Rumi's hypothesis

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Nov 10, 2019 19:41:05   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
rumitoid wrote:
Romans14:1: Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters.

All that is necessary for salvation is this: “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast” (Ephesians 2:8-9 NIV). Good works are the natural outcome of following salvation through Christ.

Neither is salvation universal, meaning that not everyone will be saved. This does not mean that God does not love everyone. Indeed, He “wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth” (1 Timothy 2:4 NIV). But only Christ is “the way and the truth and the life” (John 14:6 NIV).

Salvation is not found in legalism, either. Strict adherence to a list of do’s and don’ts is not what Christian salvation is about. Romans 3:20 reads, “no one will be declared righteous in his [God’s] sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.” We all “fall short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23 NIV).

Biblical Salvation

What then is biblical salvation? It’s not by works, legalism enlightenment, and it’s not universal. What, then, must we do to be saved? It’s important to keep in mind that salvation encompasses what God has done for us, not what we can do for Him. God has taken the initiative in His plan of redemption, reaching out to us through Christ. Hence, the answer regarding the question of salvation as given by Paul and Silas is, “Believe in the Lord Jesus …” (Acts 16:31 NIV). The Greek word translated “believe” in the passage is pisteuo, meaning “to believe, put one’s faith in, trust, with an implication that actions based on that trust may follow.”[2] Belief, then, encompasses more than just knowing about Jesus. One must also act on this knowledge, combining faith and trust and acting on it.

Salvation also entails repentance – a sincere willingness to radically change our behavior (see, for instance Matthew 3:2; 4:17; Mark 6:12; Luke 13:3-5; Acts 2:38). There is a certain degree of humility that is also required on our part in order to submit to Christ and receive salvation. In the story of the jailer, for instance, we are told he “fell trembling before Paul and Silas” (Acts 16:29 NIV). He also addressed them as “Sirs,” using a term of respect and acknowledging the authority of Paul and Silas in Christ. In other words, the roles are reversed. Rather than the Christian prisoners being under the authority of the jailer, it is the jailer who now humbly submits to them, sincerely seeking God’s salvation.
Salvation: Simple But Deep

The Christian message of salvation is simple enough for everyone to understand, but deep enough to entail a lifetime of study. Salvation is very much interconnected to other aspects of theology such as the meaning of Christ’s Atonement, the human condition, God’s attributes such as His justice and holiness, our eternal destiny and more. “Jesus is Lord” is a simple statement of faith, but in relation to salvation it’s important to know who Jesus is, who He claimed to be and what it means to believe and follow Him.

The Apostle Paul summarized the message of salvation – the Gospel – in 1 Corinthians 15, where he wrote, under divine inspiration: “Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Peter, and then to the Twelve” (1 Corinthians 15:1-5 NIV).

In this passage Paul stresses the literal death and resurrection of Christ, “for our sins,” the biblical foundations for this (acknowledging the authority of the Bible), and the proof provided by Christ’s many post-resurrection appearances.

Belief in the Trinity is nowhere a concern.
https://www.focusonthefamily.com/faith/what-must-i-do-to-be-saved/
Romans14:1: Accept the one whose faith is weak, wi... (show quote)


Thus was well stated Rumi...

We did tend to get bogged down in the dogma... And forget the true beauty of our faith

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Nov 10, 2019 20:45:13   #
rumitoid
 
Parky60 wrote:
What is necessary for salvation? Read Romans 10:9-13.


I gave an answer lol. Read.

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Nov 10, 2019 20:46:17   #
rumitoid
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Romans
10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10:10
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
10:11
For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
10:12
For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
10:13
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.


Absolutely Parky...

Good follow up on Rumi's hypothesis
Romans br 10:9 br That if thou shalt confess with ... (show quote)


No mention of the Trinity idea.

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Nov 10, 2019 20:52:40   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
rumitoid wrote:
No mention of the Trinity idea.


I'm sure Parky caught that

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Nov 10, 2019 21:10:43   #
rumitoid
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I'm sure Parky caught that


Yes, I think you are right.

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Nov 11, 2019 00:19:14   #
Rose42
 
rumitoid wrote:
No mention of the Trinity idea.


If you deny the triune nature of God you deny Christs nature. How then can you call on him if you don’t know him?

You forget Christ was offensive - he offended most and they killed him for that. His message was inclusive but also exclusive. He spoke more of hell than heaven. But people don’t want to listen to all of his message. He is still “a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense” for most people.

So again, who are you calling on? Do you know?

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Nov 11, 2019 09:07:19   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
Rose42 wrote:
If you deny the triune nature of God you deny Christs nature. How then can you call on him if you don’t know him?

You forget Christ was offensive - he offended most and they killed him for that. His message was inclusive but also exclusive. He spoke more of hell than heaven. But people don’t want to listen to all of his message. He is still “a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense” for most people.

So again, who are you calling on? Do you know?

Rumi, Canuckus, and Tommy Radd are QUITE confused individuals. Prayer and the saving grace of Yeshua ha Mashiach is what they desperately need.

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Nov 11, 2019 09:09:56   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Parky60 wrote:
Rumi, Canuckus, and Tommy Radd are QUITE confused individuals. Prayer and the saving grace of Yeshua ha Mashiach is what they desperately need.


There's that derision again...

No worries... I'll take the prayers... Appreciate it...

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Nov 11, 2019 09:41:08   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
There's that derision again...

No worries... I'll take the prayers... Appreciate it...

I wouldn't call it derision. I would call it love in an attempt to get you back on the straight and narrow way. If I didn't love you I wouldn't tell you.

Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.

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Nov 11, 2019 09:49:07   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Parky60 wrote:
I wouldn't call it derision. I would call it love in an attempt to get you back on the straight and narrow way. If I didn't love you I wouldn't tell you.

Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.


Like I said, I appreciate the prayers...


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Nov 11, 2019 10:19:49   #
Rose42
 
Parky60 wrote:
Rumi, Canuckus, and Tommy Radd are QUITE confused individuals. Prayer and the saving grace of Yeshua ha Mashiach is what they desperately need.


Absolutely right. Especially now - we all need prayer - for the evil one knows his time is ending.

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Nov 11, 2019 22:06:42   #
rumitoid
 
Rose42 wrote:
If you deny the triune nature of God you deny Christs nature. How then can you call on him if you don’t know him?

You forget Christ was offensive - he offended most and they killed him for that. His message was inclusive but also exclusive. He spoke more of hell than heaven. But people don’t want to listen to all of his message. He is still “a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense” for most people.

So again, who are you calling on? Do you know?


You are arguing a false dichotomy. Get some eyes to see.

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