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Nov 8, 2019 15:11:53   #
woodguru
 
The thing that is at the heart of this should mean something to patriots who hold honor and integrity in high regard and think the country should too.

The big thing that's at the heart of this is withholding military aid to the Ukraine. This was military aid that centered on the national security interests of the United States and it's european allies. The Ukraine is a key of military strategic importance in keeping Russia in line.

The united states responded with authorization of military aid that was the result of the house and senate, after conducting hearings with state department and pentagon leaders and intelligence services, coming to the conclusion that it was crucial to give the Ukraine the military aid necessary to help them fight off Russian mercenaries that were grouping Russian tanks for an assault on the eastern region.

The Ukraine is our ally, Russia is the enemy of our ally, and the national security interests of the country were being served by giving the Ukraine the best appropriate and effective military aid we could. The kind of aid they were looking for serves as a deterrent to attacks. Numbers of high tech anti tank weapons would have deterred Russia from exposing a tank force to being decimated by superior weapons. Putin was running a deniable operation with mercenary forces as he really couldn't mount a full scale russian assault, even though russian tanks were being used.

Trump operating in an unofficial capacity slowing down and actually withholding military aid went against congress and the state department, and had he been operating within open and official channels, he could have been set straight with information that addressed the importance and how it was far more important than his weak objectives. It is looking like it was his intent to run the clock out and say that the time period had passed to get them their money so it was no longer available.

My guess is that this train of investigation, and looking at phone conversations with Putin, will show that Putin wanted this delay. Why wouldn't he, it doesn't take a genius to figure out he would not be happy with Ukrainian forces having enough high tech tank killer weapons. Trump opposed US military aid to the Ukraine all along, he threatened to veto this aid in the first place but congress let him know they were prepared to override a veto. If Trump was listening to our intelligence and state department as opposed to Giuliani and his agenda, trump might have been more supportive of military aid, although I can't believe he would eagerly support military aid that would wreak havoc on russian forces.

This is the big deal, and the Biden quid pro quo is the weak but plausible side show distraction. Yes it is impeachable, but the favor done for Putin in interests that were against our ally is treason, pure unadulterated treason. Trump is not a team player with our state department diplomats, intelligence services, or military in regard to the best interests of the country. He would rather have a Giuliani side agenda than serious national interests.

Erdogan and Turkey was another moron move that made no use of any experts in the military or state departments.

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Nov 8, 2019 15:16:18   #
Liberty Tree
 
woodguru wrote:
The thing that is at the heart of this should mean something to patriots who hold honor and integrity in high regard and think the country should too.

The big thing that's at the heart of this is withholding military aid to the Ukraine. This was military aid that centered on the national security interests of the United States and it's european allies. The Ukraine is a key of military strategic importance in keeping Russia in line.

The united states responded with authorization of military aid that was the result of the house and senate, after conducting hearings with state department and pentagon leaders and intelligence services, coming to the conclusion that it was crucial to give the Ukraine the military aid necessary to help them fight off Russian mercenaries that were grouping Russian tanks for an assault on the eastern region.

The Ukraine is our ally, Russia is the enemy of our ally, and the national security interests of the country were being served by giving the Ukraine the best appropriate and effective military aid we could. The kind of aid they were looking for serves as a deterrent to attacks. Numbers of high tech anti tank weapons would have deterred Russia from exposing a tank force to being decimated by superior weapons. Putin was running a deniable operation with mercenary forces as he really couldn't mount a full scale russian assault, even though russian tanks were being used.

Trump operating in an unofficial capacity slowing down and actually withholding military aid went against congress and the state department, and had he been operating within open and official channels, he could have been set straight with information that addressed the importance and how it was far more important than his weak objectives. It is looking like it was his intent to run the clock out and say that the time period had passed to get them their money so it was no longer available.

My guess is that this train of investigation, and looking at phone conversations with Putin, will show that Putin wanted this delay. Why wouldn't he, it doesn't take a genius to figure out he would not be happy with Ukrainian forces having enough high tech tank killer weapons. Trump opposed US military aid to the Ukraine all along, he threatened to veto this aid in the first place but congress let him know they were prepared to override a veto. If Trump was listening to our intelligence and state department as opposed to Giuliani and his agenda, trump might have been more supportive of military aid, although I can't believe he would eagerly support military aid that would wreak havoc on russian forces.

This is the big deal, and the Biden quid pro quo is the weak but plausible side show distraction. Yes it is impeachable, but the favor done for Putin in interests that were against our ally is treason, pure unadulterated treason. Trump is not a team player with our state department diplomats, intelligence services, or military in regard to the best interests of the country. He would rather have a Giuliani side agenda than serious national interests.

Erdogan and Turkey was another moron move that made no use of any experts in the military or state departments.
The thing that is at the heart of this should mean... (show quote)


Who did you get this from? Was it Madcow, Alternut, DailyKos or some other extreme left source. That is all you ever read and you call others ignorant.

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Nov 8, 2019 15:27:23   #
woodguru
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
Who did you get this from? Was it Madcow, Alternut, DailyKos or some other extreme left source. That is all you ever read and you call others ignorant.

A little common sense goes a long way, while crucial anti tank weapons were being withheld, Putin was readying russian tanks for an attack on the eastern Ukraine. During that period of time before the crap ht the fan and funds were released for the military aid, Russian mercenaries attacked and Ukrainian forces were forced to withdraw.

The question is have you ever read or seen a source that even talked about the outcomes of trump blocking military aid. Have you seen anything that covered the way the state department and pentagon was trying to figure out what the delay was when nobody was talking about the fact that it came from trump to Mulvaney? If you bothered to really inform yourself about the weeks and months this critical aid was blocked by trump against national security interests, you couldn't help but be disturbed, but ignorance is bliss isn't it?

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Nov 8, 2019 15:35:54   #
proud republican Loc: Rocking USA!!!
 
woodguru wrote:
A little common sense goes a long way, while crucial anti tank weapons were being withheld, Putin was readying russian tanks for an attack on the eastern Ukraine. During that period of time before the crap ht the fan and funds were released for the military aid, Russian mercenaries attacked and Ukrainian forces were forced to withdraw.

The question is have you ever read or seen a source that even talked about the outcomes of trump blocking military aid. Have you seen anything that covered the way the state department and pentagon was trying to figure out what the delay was when nobody was talking about the fact that it came from trump to Mulvaney? If you bothered to really inform yourself about the weeks and months this critical aid was blocked by trump against national security interests, you couldn't help but be disturbed, but ignorance is bliss isn't it?
A little common sense goes a long way, while cruci... (show quote)


Once again,Wood it was President Trump who gave lethal military aide to Ukraine , NOT obama!! That military aide killed many Russian soldiers that should make you Rats happy!! And as for withholding aide to Ukraine , it was given eventually and more!!!! Nobody died,nobody got hurt!!!

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Nov 8, 2019 16:11:53   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
proud republican wrote:
Once again,Wood it was President Trump who gave lethal military aide to Ukraine , NOT obama!! That military aide killed many Russian soldiers that should make you Rats happy!! And as for withholding aide to Ukraine , it was given eventually and more!!!! Nobody died,nobody got hurt!!!


Straightening out the progressives is an impossible task, and very frustrating, but keep on telling the truth as it frustrates them no end.

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Nov 8, 2019 16:13:57   #
maureenthannon
 
woody, Curious, did you have any qualms with POUS Obama supplying 2eqpons to our enemies? In his first term, in Operation Fast&Furious, he sold weapons to Mexican Drug Cartels. These weapons were used to kill a US Border patrol
agent and hundreds of Mexicans. In his second terms, he gave Islamic Terrorist Groups in Libia, including ISIS and AlQeda, supposedly so they could take out Libyan President Momar Ghadafi; I don't know why Obama felt that it was his place to decide who should be the President of Libya, or if any of the wepons we gave them were used in the attack on Americans in Benghazi.

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Nov 8, 2019 16:25:31   #
Lonewolf
 
maureenthannon wrote:
woody, Curious, did you have any qualms with POUS Obama supplying 2eqpons to our enemies? In his first term, in Operation Fast&Furious, he sold weapons to Mexican Drug Cartels. These weapons were used to kill a US Border patrol
agent and hundreds of Mexicans. In his second terms, he gave Islamic Terrorist Groups in Libia, including ISIS and AlQeda, supposedly so they could take out Libyan President Momar Ghadafi; I don't know why Obama felt that it was his place to decide who should be the President of Libya, or if any of the wepons we gave them were used in the attack on Americans in Benghazi.
woody, Curious, did you have any qualms with POUS ... (show quote)


This has nothing to do with Obama

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Nov 8, 2019 20:45:48   #
karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!
 
The thing that is at the heart of this should mean something to patriots who hold honor and integrity in high regard....

Hilarious On It's Face
This Is What Trump's Impeachment Is About
And Hillary Said So Herself



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Nov 8, 2019 22:28:38   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
woodguru wrote:
A little common sense goes a long way, while crucial anti tank weapons were being withheld, Putin was readying russian tanks for an attack on the eastern Ukraine. During that period of time before the crap ht the fan and funds were released for the military aid, Russian mercenaries attacked and Ukrainian forces were forced to withdraw.

The question is have you ever read or seen a source that even talked about the outcomes of trump blocking military aid. Have you seen anything that covered the way the state department and pentagon was trying to figure out what the delay was when nobody was talking about the fact that it came from trump to Mulvaney? If you bothered to really inform yourself about the weeks and months this critical aid was blocked by trump against national security interests, you couldn't help but be disturbed, but ignorance is bliss isn't it?
A little common sense goes a long way, while cruci... (show quote)


How come the MSM isn't all agush with videos of Russian tanks rolling over women and children, and blowing stuff up while the Ukrainians sit helplessly because Trump screwed them?
Just asking.....

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Nov 9, 2019 18:02:42   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
woodguru wrote:
The thing that is at the heart of this should mean something to patriots who hold honor and integrity in high regard and think the country should too.

The big thing that's at the heart of this is withholding military aid to the Ukraine. This was military aid that centered on the national security interests of the United States and it's european allies. The Ukraine is a key of military strategic importance in keeping Russia in line.

The united states responded with authorization of military aid that was the result of the house and senate, after conducting hearings with state department and pentagon leaders and intelligence services, coming to the conclusion that it was crucial to give the Ukraine the military aid necessary to help them fight off Russian mercenaries that were grouping Russian tanks for an assault on the eastern region.

The Ukraine is our ally, Russia is the enemy of our ally, and the national security interests of the country were being served by giving the Ukraine the best appropriate and effective military aid we could. The kind of aid they were looking for serves as a deterrent to attacks. Numbers of high tech anti tank weapons would have deterred Russia from exposing a tank force to being decimated by superior weapons. Putin was running a deniable operation with mercenary forces as he really couldn't mount a full scale russian assault, even though russian tanks were being used.

Trump operating in an unofficial capacity slowing down and actually withholding military aid went against congress and the state department, and had he been operating within open and official channels, he could have been set straight with information that addressed the importance and how it was far more important than his weak objectives. It is looking like it was his intent to run the clock out and say that the time period had passed to get them their money so it was no longer available.

My guess is that this train of investigation, and looking at phone conversations with Putin, will show that Putin wanted this delay. Why wouldn't he, it doesn't take a genius to figure out he would not be happy with Ukrainian forces having enough high tech tank killer weapons. Trump opposed US military aid to the Ukraine all along, he threatened to veto this aid in the first place but congress let him know they were prepared to override a veto. If Trump was listening to our intelligence and state department as opposed to Giuliani and his agenda, trump might have been more supportive of military aid, although I can't believe he would eagerly support military aid that would wreak havoc on russian forces.

This is the big deal, and the Biden quid pro quo is the weak but plausible side show distraction. Yes it is impeachable, but the favor done for Putin in interests that were against our ally is treason, pure unadulterated treason. Trump is not a team player with our state department diplomats, intelligence services, or military in regard to the best interests of the country. He would rather have a Giuliani side agenda than serious national interests.

Erdogan and Turkey was another moron move that made no use of any experts in the military or state departments.
The thing that is at the heart of this should mean... (show quote)


For now Biden's bragging on camera is a distraction, unless he becomes the candidate. Don't for a second think that Ukraine is just part of that distraction, it's an entity onto itself. For 70 years there's been a corrupt operation at Burisma. Back to what you keep harping on (withholding aid). Ever think of the promises made, promises kept thing? One promise was not to get into more wars. So Trump waited. Hillary would love the advisors all are warmongers like her. He's listening to Eisenhower as far as Erdogan and Turkey, you can't get much better. He said beware of the Military Complex and whatever you say of Trump if dumb is among them then you are too because he definitely isn't.

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Nov 9, 2019 18:07:19   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
Lonewolf wrote:
This has nothing to do with Obama


As he signed off on it this has everything to do with him. Benghazi, yep Obama/Clinton administration. A video made them attack, dream up another.

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Nov 10, 2019 16:23:57   #
elledee
 
woodguru wrote:
A little common sense goes a long way, while crucial anti tank weapons were being withheld, Putin was readying russian tanks for an attack on the eastern Ukraine. During that period of time before the crap ht the fan and funds were released for the military aid, Russian mercenaries attacked and Ukrainian forces were forced to withdraw.

The question is have you ever read or seen a source that even talked about the outcomes of trump blocking military aid. Have you seen anything that covered the way the state department and pentagon was trying to figure out what the delay was when nobody was talking about the fact that it came from trump to Mulvaney? If you bothered to really inform yourself about the weeks and months this critical aid was blocked by trump against national security interests, you couldn't help but be disturbed, but ignorance is bliss isn't it?
A little common sense goes a long way, while cruci... (show quote)


oh if you only had even a little common sense you might see your info spin jobs for what they are...crap

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