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Nov 12, 2019 09:27:13   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
Louis wrote:
If you think CNN, MSNBC, The NY Times and Washington Times are not f**e news, or for that matter even being fair to Trump, then your either blind to the facts or your not being fair, which is what I suspect. You haven’t posted anything resembling fairness when speaking of Trump on any of your posts I’ve seen. Your getting to be right up there with kevyn, Airforceone, rumitoid, Lonewolf and woodguru as far as being factual. In other words, all you post is BS and propaganda. Why should anyone believe anything you post?
If you think CNN, MSNBC, The NY Times and Washingt... (show quote)



And you named all the usual suspects!

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Nov 12, 2019 09:35:55   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
It's a shame you folks never grasped what Obama meant by "fundamentally change".

So let's take a look at that original quote:

Here’s Obama’s original statement, in an October 2008 campaign visit to Columbia, Mo:

"Now, Mizzou, I just have two words for you tonight: five days. Five days. After decades of broken politics in Washington, and eight years of failed policies from George W. Bush, and 21 months of a campaign that's taken us from the rocky coast of Maine to the sunshine of California, we are five days away from fundamentally t***sforming the United States of America.

"In five days, you can turn the page on policies that put greed and irresponsibility on Wall Street before the hard work and sacrifice of folks on Main Street. In five days, you can choose policies that invest in our middle class, and create new jobs, and grow this economy, so that everyone has a chance to succeed, not just the CEO, but the secretary and janitor, not just the factory owner, but the men and women on the factory floor."

His fundamental t***sformation was to make the people first over corporations, wow, that's one damn evil intention.
It's a shame you folks never grasped what Obama me... (show quote)




People over corporations? Since when is the pursuit of a reward so offensive? Oh but yes, that only applies to businessmen, not progressives who are so immune to those motivations.

Barracuda2020, perhaps you can explain how the Clintons became multi-millionaires, him starting from lower class origins and she from upper middle class? Oh and I almost forgot, did the Obamas refuse pay while in office? And haven't they continued?

And if you find profit and the pursuit of reward so repulsive, then you owe it to everyone to demonstrate it & go to work once a week and refuse pay for it.

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Nov 12, 2019 09:40:13   #
zillaorange
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
It's a shame you folks never grasped what Obama meant by "fundamentally change".

So let's take a look at that original quote:

Here’s Obama’s original statement, in an October 2008 campaign visit to Columbia, Mo:

"Now, Mizzou, I just have two words for you tonight: five days. Five days. After decades of broken politics in Washington, and eight years of failed policies from George W. Bush, and 21 months of a campaign that's taken us from the rocky coast of Maine to the sunshine of California, we are five days away from fundamentally t***sforming the United States of America.

"In five days, you can turn the page on policies that put greed and irresponsibility on Wall Street before the hard work and sacrifice of folks on Main Street. In five days, you can choose policies that invest in our middle class, and create new jobs, and grow this economy, so that everyone has a chance to succeed, not just the CEO, but the secretary and janitor, not just the factory owner, but the men and women on the factory floor."

His fundamental t***sformation was to make the people first over corporations, wow, that's one damn evil intention.
It's a shame you folks never grasped what Obama me... (show quote)


So where's the quote ? He said: " He was going to fundamentally change America & redistribute the wealth" ! Who's he to change something that's worked for 230 + years and distribute the "wealth" as he sees fit !!!??? C****e, moslem, anti-American turd !!! Guess you were the 1 who wiped the s--- of his nose after sticking it in every arab nose he could find !!!

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Nov 12, 2019 10:04:31   #
debeda
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
People over corporations? Since when is the pursuit of a reward so offensive? Oh but yes, that only applies to businessmen, not progressives who are so immune to those motivations.

Barracuda2020, perhaps you can explain how the Clintons became multi-millionaires, him starting from lower class origins and she from upper middle class? Oh and I almost forgot, did the Obamas refuse pay while in office? And haven't they continued?

And if you find profit and the pursuit of reward so repulsive, then you owe it to everyone to demonstrate it & go to work once a week and refuse pay for it.
People over corporations? Since when is the pursu... (show quote)


Oh, no, Libertarian!! You can't ask proglibs to walk the walk!! All they know is blah blah blah b.s bs b.s.

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Nov 12, 2019 11:27:05   #
Cuda2020
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
People over corporations? Since when is the pursuit of a reward so offensive? Oh but yes, that only applies to businessmen, not progressives who are so immune to those motivations.

Barracuda2020, perhaps you can explain how the Clintons became multi-millionaires, him starting from lower class origins and she from upper middle class? Oh and I almost forgot, did the Obamas refuse pay while in office? And haven't they continued?

And if you find profit and the pursuit of reward so repulsive, then you owe it to everyone to demonstrate it & go to work once a week and refuse pay for it.
People over corporations? Since when is the pursu... (show quote)


There's nothing wrong with the pursuit of more wealth, it's when Corporate starts to put their profit over the welfare of their own people who work for them. With that said their are good conscious-minded corporations out their, they are not the issue or the problem but it is when corporations have no loyalty to their employees, for example, to let someone go right before their retirement. Why do you righty's always take a swan dive off of what we are saying? Never said capitalism was bad, not until it goes completely rogue and unreined which ist has and is why one-tenth of one percent hold ninety percent of the wealth. You really think that's right?

Do you have any idea how far back we are from other countries as far as, vacation time, sick time, maternity leave including after the baby is born and not only for the mother? Good healthcare? Why is that do you think? Do you possibly think that the corporations own us and our government through their lobbying? Why do you think insurance companies take in so much in healthcare monies that the CEO"S makes a d********g amount of money, while sick people's policies don't pay out and that's OK by you also.

The Clintons may be millionaires but at the very least their efforts were for bringing people up, in health care, in education, in jobs and equal pay, what have you guys done? Trump has been perpetuating himself and his family, that's what he's done, fed Wall Steet hedge-funders. The wealthy has gotten wealthier and the poor still haven't had an increase in the minimum wage in twenty years.

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Nov 12, 2019 11:35:27   #
Cuda2020
 
zillaorange wrote:
So where's the quote ? He said: " He was going to fundamentally change America & redistribute the wealth" ! Who's he to change something that's worked for 230 + years and distribute the "wealth" as he sees fit !!!??? C****e, moslem, anti-American turd !!! Guess you were the 1 who wiped the s--- of his nose after sticking it in every arab nose he could find !!!
So where's the quote ? He said: " He was goin... (show quote)


That's your quote which is incorrect. He never said he would redistribute the wealth, more of your right leaning propaganda. What has worked for 230 years? Please expand. Try and get with reality please to attempt an intelligent conversation.

He never behaved as Trump, he knew where the power was and it is in Congress and certainly not as he saw fit, unlike Trump who thinks he's a King, wants to be another Kim or Putin.

You're a d********g woman to talk to, please go slither away back to your pond scum.

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Nov 12, 2019 11:44:59   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
That's your quote which is incorrect. He never said he would redistribute the wealth, more of your right leaning propaganda. What has worked for 230 years? Please expand. Try and get with reality please to attempt an intelligent conversation.

He never behaved as Trump, he knew where the power was and it is in Congress and certainly not as he saw fit, unlike Trump who thinks he's a King, wants to be another Kim or Putin.

You're a d********g woman to talk to, please go slither away back to your pond scum.
That's your quote which is incorrect. He never sai... (show quote)

Just a few...

I actually believe in redistribution (of wealth)
Barack Obama

I think when you spread the wealth around it's good for everybody.
Barack Obama

It’s not that I want to punish your success. I want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they’ve got a chance for success, too. My attitude is that if the economy’s good for folks from the bottom up, it’s gonna be good for everybody. I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.
Barack Obama

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Nov 12, 2019 11:48:01   #
Cuda2020
 
debeda wrote:
Oh, no, Libertarian!! You can't ask proglibs to walk the walk!! All they know is blah blah blah b.s bs b.s.


LOL you don't even know what a Libertarian is, it is not a Liberal. They are more fiscally conservative than Republicans.

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Nov 12, 2019 11:59:18   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
debeda wrote:
Oh, no, Libertarian!! You can't ask proglibs to walk the walk!! All they know is blah blah blah b.s bs b.s.



Very, very sorry. I almost forgot that it is their sacred mission to present the guidelines for our behavior.

But I do disagree with one thing: they also know that they are entitled to judge all of us in their self-righteous indignation. They are also beyond having to face t***h.



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Nov 12, 2019 12:02:59   #
Cuda2020
 
Parky60 wrote:
Just a few...

I actually believe in redistribution (of wealth)
Barack Obama

I think when you spread the wealth around it's good for everybody.
Barack Obama

It’s not that I want to punish your success. I want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they’ve got a chance for success, too. My attitude is that if the economy’s good for folks from the bottom up, it’s gonna be good for everybody. I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.
Barack Obama
Just a few... br br I actually believe in redistr... (show quote)


Is it the word "redistribution" that scares you? Money is redistributed every time someone or something is taxed, how it is taxed, and how they are all protected from being taxed. Do you agree with that?

The way the tax has been since Bush the wealthy have gotten a huge tax break at the harm of the US. Their money hasn't recycled back into the economy but rather to its safe havens or reinvested back into their own stock, is that not redistributing the wealth? What should have gone to our government for improvements has rather gone back to the wealthy individuals. So please tell me what you like about 1/10 of 1% owning 90% of the wealth in this country, which is quickly degrading into a third world country?

When Obama spoke of redistributing funds that was to work within organizing our taxes and to do the best outcome for the people, to bring us up, not to suppress. This is in his meaning you quoted "I think when you spread the wealth around it's good for everybody.
Barack Obama" and "It’s not that I want to punish your success. I want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they’ve got a chance for success, too. My attitude is that if the economy’s good for folks from the bottom up, it’s gonna be good for everybody. I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.
Barack Obama

This was his thoughts on redistribution. I hope you see the difference.

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Nov 12, 2019 12:08:58   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
Is it the word "redistribution" that scares you? Money is redistributed every time someone or something is taxed, how it is taxed, and how they are all protected from being taxed. Do you agree with that?

The way the tax has been since Bush the wealthy have gotten a huge tax break at the harm of the US. Their money hasn't recycled back into the economy but rather to its safe havens or reinvested back into their own stock, is that not redistributing the wealth? What should have gone to our government for improvements has rather gone back to the wealthy individuals. So please tell me what you like about 1/10 of 1% owning 90% of the wealth in this country, which is quickly degrading into a third world country?

When Obama spoke of redistributing funds that was to work within organizing our taxes and to do the best outcome for the people, to bring us up, not to suppress. This is in his meaning you quoted "I think when you spread the wealth around it's good for everybody.
Barack Obama" and "It’s not that I want to punish your success. I want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they’ve got a chance for success, too. My attitude is that if the economy’s good for folks from the bottom up, it’s gonna be good for everybody. I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.
Barack Obama

This was his thoughts on redistribution. I hope you see the difference.
Is it the word "redistribution" that sca... (show quote)

Sorry, but I prefer to have my wealth redistributed by me and not someone else.

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Nov 12, 2019 12:09:10   #
zillaorange
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
That's your quote which is incorrect. He never said he would redistribute the wealth, more of your right leaning propaganda. What has worked for 230 years? Please expand. Try and get with reality please to attempt an intelligent conversation.

He never behaved as Trump, he knew where the power was and it is in Congress and certainly not as he saw fit, unlike Trump who thinks he's a King, wants to be another Kim or Putin.

You're a d********g woman to talk to, please go slither away back to your pond scum.
That's your quote which is incorrect. He never sai... (show quote)


Just like oprah didn't say ' A whole generation of old w****s have to die to end discrimination" Their quote are doctored to smooth their R****T, C*******T agendas from causing the new civil war !!!! You'll have to dig through you tube, but it's THERE !!!

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Nov 12, 2019 12:11:30   #
Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
An out of control EPA... spoken like a true I don't give a s**t righty, who doesn't care about the future of the world and your ego never sees past the end of your own nose. The EPA along with the white house has been completely corrupted undoing the protections for the people and yeah butthead that includes our children. The states and local municipalities get paid off by local industrialists, now thanks to Trump we have no office to trust to protect us, thanks. Call me a coward all you want, that's all about you. Keep in line with your t*****r, it only reflects on you.

By the way, we had cleaner air and water after the Obama efforts, things have declined under Trump. Why wouldn't it, he took away all the efforts, now they have free reign to dump all they want, again thank you and good job.
An out of control EPA... spoken like a true I don'... (show quote)


Please show us where the air and water quality has declined under the Trump administration? Show provable stats not hypothetical observations by the left.

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Nov 12, 2019 12:31:41   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
Is it the word "redistribution" that scares you? Money is redistributed every time someone or something is taxed, how it is taxed, and how they are all protected from being taxed. Do you agree with that?

The way the tax has been since Bush the wealthy have gotten a huge tax break at the harm of the US. Their money hasn't recycled back into the economy but rather to its safe havens or reinvested back into their own stock, is that not redistributing the wealth? What should have gone to our government for improvements has rather gone back to the wealthy individuals. So please tell me what you like about 1/10 of 1% owning 90% of the wealth in this country, which is quickly degrading into a third world country?

When Obama spoke of redistributing funds that was to work within organizing our taxes and to do the best outcome for the people, to bring us up, not to suppress. This is in his meaning you quoted "I think when you spread the wealth around it's good for everybody.
Barack Obama" and "It’s not that I want to punish your success. I want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they’ve got a chance for success, too. My attitude is that if the economy’s good for folks from the bottom up, it’s gonna be good for everybody. I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.
Barack Obama

This was his thoughts on redistribution. I hope you see the difference.
Is it the word "redistribution" that sca... (show quote)


I see no difference between this and the statements of Karl Marx, Vladimir Ulyanov Lenin and Frank Marshall Davis, the lifelong unrepentant c*******t, at whose feet Barack Hussein Obama studied.

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Nov 12, 2019 12:34:38   #
zillaorange
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
Is it the word "redistribution" that scares you? Money is redistributed every time someone or something is taxed, how it is taxed, and how they are all protected from being taxed. Do you agree with that?

The way the tax has been since Bush the wealthy have gotten a huge tax break at the harm of the US. Their money hasn't recycled back into the economy but rather to its safe havens or reinvested back into their own stock, is that not redistributing the wealth? What should have gone to our government for improvements has rather gone back to the wealthy individuals. So please tell me what you like about 1/10 of 1% owning 90% of the wealth in this country, which is quickly degrading into a third world country?

When Obama spoke of redistributing funds that was to work within organizing our taxes and to do the best outcome for the people, to bring us up, not to suppress. This is in his meaning you quoted "I think when you spread the wealth around it's good for everybody.
Barack Obama" and "It’s not that I want to punish your success. I want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they’ve got a chance for success, too. My attitude is that if the economy’s good for folks from the bottom up, it’s gonna be good for everybody. I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.
Barack Obama

This was his thoughts on redistribution. I hope you see the difference.
Is it the word "redistribution" that sca... (show quote)


go to: voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/10/obamas_redistribution_bombshell.html

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