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Nov 7, 2019 05:46:46   #
Tug484
 
They claim something was left out because the call was supposedly 30 minutes long.
I'm sure some of the time was used up because it had to be interpreted.

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Nov 7, 2019 08:29:52   #
Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ
 
PeterS wrote:
That is the heart of the matter. There is witness after witness stacked up to testify that Trump initiated a quid-pro-quo and wasn't going to release the aid to Ukraine until President Z announced publically that they were starting an investigation into the Bidens--the same Bidens that Trump said Z should investigate in the transcript that you shared.

And by the way, telling a foreign power to investigate one of your political enemies isn't thought of too highly in impeachment circles. But hey, we all know you don't care about that "heart of the matter" do you.

Read the transcript--but while you do it why don't you try comprehending what the president is saying and whether there are any irregularities in what he asked? If you can't see any then there really isn't any need for a conversation is there--your mind is made up and you see only what you want to see.

Listen to the testimony next week. You guys have been screaming for it so now you have gotten your wish! We'll talk then as THIS phone call will be long forgotten as the gravity of the situation starts sinking in...
That is the heart of the matter. There is witness ... (show quote)


Well in reading the transcript, I see the president exercising his constitutional powers as president. So it is illegal for the sheriff of Arizona to ask Mexico to investigate his political opponent, if that opponent brags about a bribe?

Yeah real smooth there Pete.

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Nov 7, 2019 08:57:32   #
debeda
 
Tug484 wrote:
They claim something was left out because the call was supposedly 30 minutes long.
I'm sure some of the time was used up because it had to be interpreted.


Of course. No one ever thinks of that. Dunderheads

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Nov 7, 2019 09:54:49   #
marinevet73
 
Ranger7374 wrote:
Well in reading the transcript, I see the president exercising his constitutional powers as president. So it is illegal for the sheriff of Arizona to ask Mexico to investigate his political opponent, if that opponent brags about a bribe?

Yeah real smooth there Pete.


I think it must be my eyes that are failing me. Could you please read for me lines 4 and 5 of the title of your 'transcript". And it could be that my mind is failing a little. Could you please look up the definition of memorandum in your Funk and Wagnell ( that is a dictionary) and explain to me the meaning of "memorandum".

Also, you should know that there are some pretty good reading comprehension courses available online. You might even get some credits towards your GED.

Thank you for your gracious assistance in advance.

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Nov 7, 2019 10:33:43   #
waltmoreno
 
PeterS wrote:
That is the heart of the matter. There is witness after witness stacked up to testify that Trump initiated a quid-pro-quo and wasn't going to release the aid to Ukraine until President Z announced publically that they were starting an investigation into the Bidens--the same Bidens that Trump said Z should investigate in the transcript that you shared.

And by the way, telling a foreign power to investigate one of your political enemies isn't thought of too highly in impeachment circles. But hey, we all know you don't care about that "heart of the matter" do you.

Read the transcript--but while you do it why don't you try comprehending what the president is saying and whether there are any irregularities in what he asked? If you can't see any then there really isn't any need for a conversation is there--your mind is made up and you see only what you want to see.

Listen to the testimony next week. You guys have been screaming for it so now you have gotten your wish! We'll talk then as THIS phone call will be long forgotten as the gravity of the situation starts sinking in...
That is the heart of the matter. There is witness ... (show quote)


Sorry PeterS. What I already know is that Zelensky has already said he wasn't even aware that aid had been withheld AND TOOK NO ACTION, and that aid was subsequently received. So what's the purpose of the public, televised whistleblower hearings?
Oh, yeah, the Dems are running to unseat Trump in 2020 and this is their best campaign against him. Because not a single one of their candidates stands a chance of beating him on their own merits.
I've already got whistleblower fatigue. I won't be paying attention. And the public hearings haven't even started yet.

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Nov 7, 2019 11:35:55   #
debeda
 
waltmoreno wrote:
Sorry PeterS. What I already know is that Zelensky has already said he wasn't even aware that aid had been withheld AND TOOK NO ACTION, and that aid was subsequently received. So what's the purpose of the public, televised whistleblower hearings?
Oh, yeah, the Dems are running to unseat Trump in 2020 and this is their best campaign against him. Because not a single one of their candidates stands a chance of beating him on their own merits.
I've already got whistleblower fatigue. I won't be paying attention. And the public hearings haven't even started yet.
Sorry PeterS. What I already know is that Zelensky... (show quote)



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Nov 7, 2019 15:48:12   #
Tug484
 
debeda wrote:
Of course. No one ever thinks of that. Dunderheads


Their lies are so thick and many, you couldn't knock a ghost through them.

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Nov 7, 2019 16:07:09   #
woodguru
 
Wherever it is you have your head buried it's time to get a firm grip and pull it out. Look around... there is so much more than what's covered in the phone call going on that it is as irrelevant as who the whistleblower is.

There were months of events going on that portray a picture of Giuliani mucking about unofficially in state's business. This was not done through official channels, and trump's personal attorney had no official reason to be there in the first place.

The phone call is what many other things spun out of in order to understand what was being talked about, but it is other testimonies and pieces of real evidence such as emails and texts that fill in the blanks.

No trump is not being impeached for the phone call, he is being impeached for using his personal attorney to conduct official state's business as an unofficial representative working outside of normal channels. Real business such as the white house maintains was taking place should have been being done by real officials working in official channels.

Trump was pressuring the Ukraine for his own purposes with military aid that was not his to bargain with. He likely did this at the wishes of Putin, because I'm sure Putin had a problem with the US giving the Ukraine anti tank weapons that would have decimated Russian tanks when they conducted an attack by Russia that was not supposed to be happening as far as the rest of the world and the US was concerned.

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Nov 7, 2019 16:12:16   #
woodguru
 
waltmoreno wrote:
Sorry PeterS. What I already know is that Zelensky has already said he wasn't even aware that aid had been withheld AND TOOK NO ACTION, and that aid was subsequently received. So what's the purpose of the public, televised whistleblower hearings?
Oh, yeah, the Dems are running to unseat Trump in 2020 and this is their best campaign against him. Because not a single one of their candidates stands a chance of beating him on their own merits.
I've already got whistleblower fatigue. I won't be paying attention. And the public hearings haven't even started yet.
Sorry PeterS. What I already know is that Zelensky... (show quote)

There is significant testimony that indicates the Ukraine wanted no part in announcing what trump wanted, that they wanted to stay away from interfering in US political races.

So you conveniently won't be paying attention to anything that comes out, you've made up your mind and nothing else matters. Get used to this, because it will be going on right up to the week before the election as new evidence emerges. Sort of like Hillary and the endless Benghazi and email server investigations, wouldn't you say?

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Nov 7, 2019 16:14:17   #
woodguru
 
Tug484 wrote:
They claim something was left out because the call was supposedly 30 minutes long.
I'm sure some of the time was used up because it had to be interpreted.

Actually there seems to be solid evidence that the whole and real call has been buried in a super secret server, how about if we go ahead and look at the real and complete memos? One of the people who heard the call firsthand objected to the deletions that had been made.

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Nov 7, 2019 16:23:24   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
Okay, I read it again and here is your no quid pro quo- it’s very important that you do it if that’s possible.
Had he said if you do that I'll send more Javelins cheaper or something they'd have one but he didn't and they don't.

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Nov 7, 2019 16:31:45   #
nwtk2007
 
woodguru wrote:
Wherever it is you have your head buried it's time to get a firm grip and pull it out. Look around... there is so much more than what's covered in the phone call going on that it is as irrelevant as who the whistleblower is.

There were months of events going on that portray a picture of Giuliani mucking about unofficially in state's business. This was not done through official channels, and trump's personal attorney had no official reason to be there in the first place.

The phone call is what many other things spun out of in order to understand what was being talked about, but it is other testimonies and pieces of real evidence such as emails and texts that fill in the blanks.

No trump is not being impeached for the phone call, he is being impeached for using his personal attorney to conduct official state's business as an unofficial representative working outside of normal channels. Real business such as the white house maintains was taking place should have been being done by real officials working in official channels.

Trump was pressuring the Ukraine for his own purposes with military aid that was not his to bargain with. He likely did this at the wishes of Putin, because I'm sure Putin had a problem with the US giving the Ukraine anti tank weapons that would have decimated Russian tanks when they conducted an attack by Russia that was not supposed to be happening as far as the rest of the world and the US was concerned.
Wherever it is you have your head buried it's time... (show quote)


You mean using his personal attorney to uncover corruption in Ukraine from a time way before Biden became a candidate and also Ukraine interference in the 2016 election to help HILLARY??

LOL! Yes, go with that! LOLOL!!!!!!!!

You still haven't given us any info on that Russian tank attack woody. When was it and where was it??

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Nov 7, 2019 16:33:52   #
PeterS
 
Ranger7374 wrote:
Well in reading the transcript, I see the president exercising his constitutional powers as president. So it is illegal for the sheriff of Arizona to ask Mexico to investigate his political opponent, if that opponent brags about a bribe?

Yeah real smooth there Pete.

I know I'm smooth. That's because I'm not playing the role of apologist. Listen to the events of next week. That's all I ask. Taylor, Vindman, and others will explain why Trump is being impeached.

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Nov 7, 2019 16:43:07   #
nwtk2007
 
PeterS wrote:
I know I'm smooth. That's because I'm not playing the role of apologist. Listen to the events of next week. That's all I ask. Taylor, Vindman, and others will explain why Trump is being impeached.


No they won't. Taylor is linked to Burisma and the Obama State Department. Vindman doesn't have anything concrete. Sondlond changed his testimony. LOL! They are all going to get re-called and get to be cross examined in public. If Shiff tries to stop it, he will be seen as complicit in a hoax. I'm surprised they'd even be allowed to be questioned again. It's a perjury trap.

It won't be pretty.

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Nov 7, 2019 17:27:08   #
Tug484
 
woodguru wrote:
Actually there seems to be solid evidence that the whole and real call has been buried in a super secret server, how about if we go ahead and look at the real and complete memos? One of the people who heard the call firsthand objected to the deletions that had been made.


I saw nothing that warrants impeachment.
What I do see is they've been wanting him impeached since he was elected.
I'm thankful we don't have president H. and first boy, Slick Willie.

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