rumitoid

Trump's Topsy-turvy, inside/out morals and ethics. Insult honorable vets and go to bat for three vets who dishonored the service and their country. Astonishing, if it were anyone else. What else could explain his totally bizarre actions than a lack of a conscience replaced by his raging narcissism? But his actions should not shock anyone paying close attention to who the president is, and has been his entire life

Pentagon officials were reportedly shocked by a "Fox & Friends" report Monday that President Donald Trump planned to intervene in three war crimes cases by Veteran's Day.

Secretary of Defense Mark Esper urged Trump Tuesday not to intervene.

Included in the information packet will be the details of each case, as well as arguments that in none of the cases were the accused troops acting out of patriotism, as Trump suggested. He lies even about something so heinous to do what he damn pleases. His possible intervention will undermine military justice.

Secretary of Defense Mark Esper told reporters he has urged President Donald Trump not to intervene in the cases of three members of the military accused or convicted of war crimes.

"I had a robust discussion with the president yesterday and I offered — as I do in all matters — the facts, the options, my advice, the recommendations and we'll see how things play out," Esper told press Wednesday.

Three defense officials told CNN that the Pentagon would send an information package to the president explaining why he should not intervene in the cases of former Army Lt. Clint Lorance and Maj. Matthew Golsteyn, a Green Beret, and Navy SEAL Chief Eddie Gallagher. The officials told CNN that the information would be delivered as soon as possible; administration officials had told CNN that Esper planned to discuss his concerns with Trump before Veterans' Day on Nov. 11.

Pentagon officials were reportedly shocked by a "Fox & Friends" report Monday that Trump planned to intervene in the cases. He has tweeted about the war crimes allegations, saying, "We train our boys to be k*****g machines, then prosecute them when they k**l!" Gallagher was acquitted of premeditated murder charges, but found guilty of taking a photo with a slain ISIS fighter; Lorance is currently a 19-year sentence for murder; and Golsteyn is awaiting court-martial on murder charges.

Pentagon officials are concerned that Trump doesn't understand the gravity of the crimes Gallagher, Lorance, and Golsteyn were convicted or accused of, or the potential effects his intervention could have on military justice.

Included in the information packet were the details of each case, as well as arguments that in none of the cases were the troops acting out of patriotism, as Trump appears to believe, and recommendations that Trump should follow the recommendations of the Uniform Code of Military Justice — with the acknowledgement that the final decision is up to the president. Esper also told reporters on Wednesday that he has "full confidence in the military justice system."
'Undermining the authority of command'

Trump has been heavily involved in the case of Gallagher, who was accused of k*****g a teenage ISIS captive, as well as shooting at Iraqi civilians, both war crimes. He was acquitted of those charges in a military court, after the prosecution impugned its own witness and surveilled the defense without a warrant. Another SEAL testified to k*****g the young ISIS fighter; Gallagher was found guilty of posing for a photo with his body and demoted.

Trump has also gotten involved in the cases of Lorance and Golsteyn. He has ordered that charges against both be reviewed; Lorance is serving a 19-year sentence at Ft. Leavenworth in Kansas for ordering an enlisted soldier in his platoon to fire at three Afghans on a motorcycle in 2012. Two of the men died, and Lorance was charged with murder, the Army Times reports. Lorance and his attorneys have maintained his innocence, arguing in an appeal that at least some of the men on the motorcycle had been linked to insurgent activity.

Golsteyn's case has not yet gone to trial. He is accused of murdering an alleged Afghan bombmaker in 2010, and the Army maintains that, during a CIA polygraph test, he admitted to shooting the man, burying him, and later returning to burn the body. Golsteyn and his attorneys maintain his innocence, with one of his attorneys calling the alleged confession of Golsteyn k*****g an unarmed man "a fantasy." However, the Army Times reports Golsteyn did admit to a version of the events he allegedly told CIA interviewers during a Fox News interview.

Golsteyn has pleaded not guilty, and his attorney, Phillip Stackhouse, has said that the death occurred during a mission that Golsteyn's superiors ordered.

Should Trump intervene in the cases, the integrity of the UCMJ would be called into question, as well as the leadership of military authorities. Countries that host US troops could become more wary about the behavior of those troops, and of the military's ability to prosecute crimes, according to the officials CNN interviewed.

https://www.businessinsider.com/pentagon-urging-trump-to-butt-out-of-war-crimes-cases-2019-11

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7648211/Donald-Trump-set-intervene-war-crimes-court-martial-Veterans-Day.html

https://connectingvets.radio.com/articles/news/trump-intervene-two-military-war-crimes-cases

https://taskandpurpose.com/trump-gallagher-golsteyn-lorance-cases

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA

And Obama traded a t*****r for 5 ISIS fighters who went back and k**led more Americans!!! That's Much worse!!!!!!!!!!

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Seconded

rumitoid

Yes.

rumitoid

So you are admitting what he did is bad, but Obama being worse in your eyes? Is that how you judge anyone's actions. Yes what he did is terrible, you are saying, but because someone possibly did worse Trump should not be held accountable for his own actions? That is quite a specious morality, pp, don't you think?

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Gallagher was acquitted of premeditated murder charges, but found guilty of taking a photo with a slain ISIS fighter. OMG! Atrocity! Gallagher must hang.

Lorance ordered an enlisted soldier in his platoon to fire at three Afghans on a motorcycle in 2012. 2 were k**led. Oh, NOOOOO! Oh, Jesus have mercy.

Golsteyn is accused of k*****g an alleged Afghan bombmaker in 2010. His case has not yet gone to trial.
War crime of the century, doncha know.

Compared to these three American brutes, SS-Obersturmbannführer Rudolf Hoess and his Birkenau staff were boy scouts.

rumitoid

I was talking contrasts. I hope the sentence that you closed with was meant as sarcasm.

EmilyD

McCain WAS caught...many times. He was a party-going hot rod pilot that no one wanted to fly missions with. He got himself captured. He didn't even know how to eject himself from his plane. He's very lucky that the Vietnamese rescued him from the water after he ignored his commanding officer and lost his plane!

This story is suppressed by the MSM, but it tells the whole story about McCain that they don't want us to know. This author is ZALIN GRANT who volunteered for Vietnam and served as an army officer. A former journalist for Time and The New Republic, he is the author of four books on the war including OVER THE BEACH: The Air War in Vietnam and SURVIVORS: Vietnam POWs Tell Their Stories.

If you don't like it, then tough.... it is the t***h.

McCain's crew were afraid of flying with him because he was such a jerk.

http://www.pythiapress.com/wartales/McCain-Shootdown.htm

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Have you not compared president Trump with Hitler? If you haven't, plenty of your Komeraden have never failed to do so - repeatedly.

JW

[rumitoid]Trump mocked a gold star family, defamed McCain for "being caught," and disparaged generals--now he wants to intervene for 3 war criminals

Trump did not MOCK the family. He responded to a partisan attack from a man who apparently thought he was something special because a real man he happened to have fathered died.

Trump did not defame McCain. He did express disdain of him as would anyone familiar with McCain's history. Do you think anyone other than an admiral's son could have wrecked three military aircraft and still retained his commission. That is just the start but it includes his making propaganda radio broadcasts for the enemy and abandoning any POW/MIAs that might have still been held after the war.

Trump did not disparage any Generals. He gave a blunt assessment of his feelings about the quality of their service. Seems to me that is no different that what you do to Trump. It's OK for you but not for a President?

As for war crimes, charge the people who start the wars and risk nothing, not the people who do their bidding and lay their own lives on the line in the process.

PeterS

When has Trump ever listened to anyone? Trump does what he wants to do so if the little birdie in his head told him to intervene there is nothing, absolutely nothing, that anyone can do...

PeterS

Trump doesn't have time to turn into Hitler because, fortunately, he has a constitution to contend with.

No, Trump is an authoritarian f*****t--as are most in the Republican party--but even though his minions will let he do wh**ever he wants to do and make excuse after excuse while he does it; worse come to worse, 2024 will be the last year he can have to screw this country over.

Trump may long for the power of an Adolph Hitler and there may be those who wish he could have that kind of power, fortunately, those who came before us have seen fit to protect us from the worse that we can be...

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

On the above, I heartily agree.