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eden wrote:

Funny how this talking point about failing to acce... (show quote)

Trump is the least hawkish Prez we've had in 40 years. WTH are you talking about?

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Seth wrote:

If this was indeed the case, the Democrats wouldn'... (show quote)

Yes - those news sites that deliver "bombshells" daily

Seth

debeda wrote:

Yes - those news sites that deliver "bombshells" daily

If those MSM networks, sites and "news" papers were to be believed, Trump would already have been impeached a dozen times, hung twice, gassed 7 or 8 times and now be serving 50 years in the electric chair.

debeda

Seth wrote:

If those MSM networks, sites and "news" papers were to be believed, Trump would already have been impeached a dozen times, hung twice, gassed 7 or 8 times and now be serving 50 years in the electric chair.

eden

This just in:

It wasn’t Donald Trump who released the first of Ukraine military aid, but the State Department after lawyers determined that the White House freeze on thefunds was illegal, several sources have told Bloomberg.
Trump has claimed he released the aid September 11. But five sources told Bloomberg that $141 million of the money was actually authorized to be released several days earlier after lawyers determined that the White House Office of Management and Budget and, therefore, the president, had no legal standing to block the funds. The decision was outlined in a classified memo to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, according to Bloomberg. Other details of the memo were not revealed.
The information severely undercuts Trump’s insistence that there was no military aid quid pro quo when he pressed Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky in a July phone call to launch a groundless investigation into his political rival Joe Biden and his son. Trump has pointed to the fact that he released the aid before a probe was begun. But Bloomberg now reports that he was no longer in control of disbursement when the money was released.
Officials have testified before House lawmakers that the aid — amounting to a total of some $400 million — was linked to Zelensky bowing to Trump’s demands. The New York Times has reported that Zelensky had already scheduled an interview on CNN in September to announce the launch of the investigation — even though he was opposed to it — in order to obtain the much needed funding. When the money was released, Zelensky quickly dropped the CNN appearance and did not begin a probe, according to the Times.
The OMB — headed by Mick Mulvaney, who is also the acting White House chief of staff — continues to argue that distribution of the funds, which had been approved by Congress, was up to the agency. “At no point was this pause inappropriate, let alone illegal,” OMB spokeswoman Rachel Semmel told Bloomberg Saturday.
Officials supporting Ukraine feared that if the money was not disbursed by September 30, the end of the fiscal year, it would likely no longer be available.
Trump has claimed he was the one who decided to release the money after a plea from GOP Ohio Sen. Rob Portman. “He called up, ‘Please let the money go,’” Trump said.
Acting U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine William Taylor testified that it was the legal offices at the both the State and Defense departments that decided they were “going to move forward with this assistance — OMB notwithstanding.”
“I don’t know if they’ve ever done that before,” Taylor said. “This was a big decision for them.”
Mulvaney has emerged in testimony as a key player in Trump’s strategy to involve Ukraine in American politics by pressing the nation to launch an investigation into the president’s rival, which would likely impact the 2020 e******n.
Last month Mulvaney said at a press conference that the military aid was part of a quid pro quo for Ukraine’s investigation, and that such negotiations are done all the time. “Get over it,” he told reporters. But such foreign policy negotiations are supposed to benefit the nation — and not to mobilize a foreign power to help a president win an American e******n.

Seth

eden wrote:

This just in:

It wasn’t Donald Trump who released the first of Ukraine military aid, but the State Department after lawyers determined that the White House freeze on thefunds was illegal, several sources have told Bloomberg.
Trump has claimed he released the aid September 11. But five sources told Bloomberg that $141 million of the money was actually authorized to be released several days earlier after lawyers determined that the White House Office of Management and Budget and, therefore, the president, had no legal standing to block the funds. The decision was outlined in a classified memo to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, according to Bloomberg. Other details of the memo were not revealed.
The information severely undercuts Trump’s insistence that there was no military aid quid pro quo when he pressed Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky in a July phone call to launch a groundless investigation into his political rival Joe Biden and his son. Trump has pointed to the fact that he released the aid before a probe was begun. But Bloomberg now reports that he was no longer in control of disbursement when the money was released.
Officials have testified before House lawmakers that the aid — amounting to a total of some $400 million — was linked to Zelensky bowing to Trump’s demands. The New York Times has reported that Zelensky had already scheduled an interview on CNN in September to announce the launch of the investigation — even though he was opposed to it — in order to obtain the much needed funding. When the money was released, Zelensky quickly dropped the CNN appearance and did not begin a probe, according to the Times.
The OMB — headed by Mick Mulvaney, who is also the acting White House chief of staff — continues to argue that distribution of the funds, which had been approved by Congress, was up to the agency. “At no point was this pause inappropriate, let alone illegal,” OMB spokeswoman Rachel Semmel told Bloomberg Saturday.
Officials supporting Ukraine feared that if the money was not disbursed by September 30, the end of the fiscal year, it would likely no longer be available.
Trump has claimed he was the one who decided to release the money after a plea from GOP Ohio Sen. Rob Portman. “He called up, ‘Please let the money go,’” Trump said.
Acting U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine William Taylor testified that it was the legal offices at the both the State and Defense departments that decided they were “going to move forward with this assistance — OMB notwithstanding.”
“I don’t know if they’ve ever done that before,” Taylor said. “This was a big decision for them.”
Mulvaney has emerged in testimony as a key player in Trump’s strategy to involve Ukraine in American politics by pressing the nation to launch an investigation into the president’s rival, which would likely impact the 2020 e******n.
Last month Mulvaney said at a press conference that the military aid was part of a quid pro quo for Ukraine’s investigation, and that such negotiations are done all the time. “Get over it,” he told reporters. But such foreign policy negotiations are supposed to benefit the nation — and not to mobilize a foreign power to help a president win an American e******n.

This just in: br br It wasn’t Donald Trump who re... (show quote)

"This just in" from where? MSNBC?

The transcript depicted President Trump asking a favor of Zelensky, not "pressing" him.

debeda

eden wrote:

This just in:

It wasn’t Donald Trump who released the first of Ukraine military aid, but the State Department after lawyers determined that the White House freeze on thefunds was illegal, several sources have told Bloomberg.
Trump has claimed he released the aid September 11. But five sources told Bloomberg that $141 million of the money was actually authorized to be released several days earlier after lawyers determined that the White House Office of Management and Budget and, therefore, the president, had no legal standing to block the funds. The decision was outlined in a classified memo to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, according to Bloomberg. Other details of the memo were not revealed.
The information severely undercuts Trump’s insistence that there was no military aid quid pro quo when he pressed Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky in a July phone call to launch a groundless investigation into his political rival Joe Biden and his son. Trump has pointed to the fact that he released the aid before a probe was begun. But Bloomberg now reports that he was no longer in control of disbursement when the money was released.
Officials have testified before House lawmakers that the aid — amounting to a total of some $400 million — was linked to Zelensky bowing to Trump’s demands. The New York Times has reported that Zelensky had already scheduled an interview on CNN in September to announce the launch of the investigation — even though he was opposed to it — in order to obtain the much needed funding. When the money was released, Zelensky quickly dropped the CNN appearance and did not begin a probe, according to the Times.
The OMB — headed by Mick Mulvaney, who is also the acting White House chief of staff — continues to argue that distribution of the funds, which had been approved by Congress, was up to the agency. “At no point was this pause inappropriate, let alone illegal,” OMB spokeswoman Rachel Semmel told Bloomberg Saturday.
Officials supporting Ukraine feared that if the money was not disbursed by September 30, the end of the fiscal year, it would likely no longer be available.
Trump has claimed he was the one who decided to release the money after a plea from GOP Ohio Sen. Rob Portman. “He called up, ‘Please let the money go,’” Trump said.
Acting U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine William Taylor testified that it was the legal offices at the both the State and Defense departments that decided they were “going to move forward with this assistance — OMB notwithstanding.”
“I don’t know if they’ve ever done that before,” Taylor said. “This was a big decision for them.”
Mulvaney has emerged in testimony as a key player in Trump’s strategy to involve Ukraine in American politics by pressing the nation to launch an investigation into the president’s rival, which would likely impact the 2020 e******n.
Last month Mulvaney said at a press conference that the military aid was part of a quid pro quo for Ukraine’s investigation, and that such negotiations are done all the time. “Get over it,” he told reporters. But such foreign policy negotiations are supposed to benefit the nation — and not to mobilize a foreign power to help a president win an American e******n.

This just in: br br It wasn’t Donald Trump who re... (show quote)

debeda

Seth wrote:

"This just in" from where? MSNBC?

The transcript depicted President Trump asking a favor of Zelensky, not "pressing" him.

eden

Seth wrote:

"This just in" from where? MSNBC?

The transcript depicted President Trump asking a favor of Zelensky, not "pressing" him.

....and the rest of it????
Let me see....the most powerful man on earth
“asks” a favor from a a newly elected leader of a small country in crisis and both these men have knowledge that the aid is being held back but there’s not a whiff of threat or intimidation ...right? Quid pro quo...

eden

Seth wrote:

"This just in" from where? MSNBC?

The transcript depicted President Trump asking a favor of Zelensky, not "pressing" him.

If you read the post it clearly references Bloomberg. No doubt you will attack and discredit the source because you don’t like the message. Even Fox News occasionally puts out t***hfull stories but in the tribal echo chambers there is always pretzel logic to save the day and restore the mental comfort of the acolytes. This applies to both sides.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

eden wrote:

....and the rest of it????
Let me see....the most powerful man on earth
“asks” a favor from a a newly elected leader of a small country in crisis and both these men have knowledge that the aid is being held back but there’s not a whiff of threat or intimidation ...right? Quid pro quo...

Hey Eden. You had previously stated that Russia, China, N Korea and another country had benefited from Trump's incompetence. I asked how so and you never replied. Why not?? Because you have no credible answer, I'm thinking.

Seth

eden wrote:

....and the rest of it????
Let me see....the most powerful man on earth
“asks” a favor from a a newly elected leader of a small country in crisis and both these men have knowledge that the aid is being held back but there’s not a whiff of threat or intimidation ...right? Quid pro quo...

The second most powerful man on Earth, acting with the apparent blessing of the most powerful man on Earth, demands that the previous Ukrainian leader fire the prosecutor who's investigating his son's company under threat of losing $3billion in U.S. aid, a blatant, corruption based quid pro quo, and it's not even "newsworthy."

Meanwhile, evidence keeps piling up that contradicts the Democrats' charges against President Trump, but you, who claim to view an unbiased "news" spectrum, are completely unaware of any of that. Right.

All you seem to "know" is what the l*****t media tells you to know.

If the far left ever has their way and the U.S. becomes a totalitarian state, you will be a model citizen, soaking up the daily propaganda like a sponge.

Seth

eden wrote:

If you read the post it clearly references Bloomberg. No doubt you will attack and discredit the source because you don’t like the message. Even Fox News occasionally puts out t***hfull stories but in the tribal echo chambers there is always pretzel logic to save the day and restore the mental comfort of the acolytes. This applies to both sides.

You mean the news service belonging to the anti-gun, pro-a******n former mayor of N.Y. who tried to ban 32 oz sodas for our own good? The one who may run against President Trump in 2020?

That Bloomberg?

debeda

Seth wrote:

The second most powerful man on Earth, acting with... (show quote)

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

eden wrote:

This just in:

It wasn’t Donald Trump who released the first of Ukraine military aid, but the State Department after lawyers determined that the White House freeze on thefunds was illegal, several sources have told Bloomberg.
Trump has claimed he released the aid September 11. But five sources told Bloomberg that $141 million of the money was actually authorized to be released several days earlier after lawyers determined that the White House Office of Management and Budget and, therefore, the president, had no legal standing to block the funds. The decision was outlined in a classified memo to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, according to Bloomberg. Other details of the memo were not revealed.
The information severely undercuts Trump’s insistence that there was no military aid quid pro quo when he pressed Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky in a July phone call to launch a groundless investigation into his political rival Joe Biden and his son. Trump has pointed to the fact that he released the aid before a probe was begun. But Bloomberg now reports that he was no longer in control of disbursement when the money was released.
Officials have testified before House lawmakers that the aid — amounting to a total of some $400 million — was linked to Zelensky bowing to Trump’s demands. The New York Times has reported that Zelensky had already scheduled an interview on CNN in September to announce the launch of the investigation — even though he was opposed to it — in order to obtain the much needed funding. When the money was released, Zelensky quickly dropped the CNN appearance and did not begin a probe, according to the Times.
The OMB — headed by Mick Mulvaney, who is also the acting White House chief of staff — continues to argue that distribution of the funds, which had been approved by Congress, was up to the agency. “At no point was this pause inappropriate, let alone illegal,” OMB spokeswoman Rachel Semmel told Bloomberg Saturday.
Officials supporting Ukraine feared that if the money was not disbursed by September 30, the end of the fiscal year, it would likely no longer be available.
Trump has claimed he was the one who decided to release the money after a plea from GOP Ohio Sen. Rob Portman. “He called up, ‘Please let the money go,’” Trump said.
Acting U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine William Taylor testified that it was the legal offices at the both the State and Defense departments that decided they were “going to move forward with this assistance — OMB notwithstanding.”
“I don’t know if they’ve ever done that before,” Taylor said. “This was a big decision for them.”
Mulvaney has emerged in testimony as a key player in Trump’s strategy to involve Ukraine in American politics by pressing the nation to launch an investigation into the president’s rival, which would likely impact the 2020 e******n.
Last month Mulvaney said at a press conference that the military aid was part of a quid pro quo for Ukraine’s investigation, and that such negotiations are done all the time. “Get over it,” he told reporters. But such foreign policy negotiations are supposed to benefit the nation — and not to mobilize a foreign power to help a president win an American e******n.

This just in: br br It wasn’t Donald Trump who re... (show quote)

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