Seth

Unfortunately, much of what Trump tries to get done quickly has to Berlin through the Democratic Party controlled House, where Pelosi & Co. have made a cottage industry of obstructing anything this great president tries to do, even if it's something they previously (pre-Trump) said they wanted to do.

Wait until 3 January 2021, when the then Republican controlled House is able to begin working proactively with President Trump, and the rest of his campaign promises are swiftly fulfilled.

Then the rest of you portsiders can sit and steam in your safe spaces, bumming out while Trump does great things for the American people and there's nothing your l*****t ilk can do to sabotage him, America and We, the People.

Fig A: Democrats after 3 November 2020

🙈🐻🙉🙊🐖🐑💀 --"🎵...Kumbaya...🎶"

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Like every time one of them says Trump has told 13,000 lies or some other such BS. Every time they say it, it's a lie! LOL!

Trump was referring to Mexico's new, great leader. Do we think he's great or know he's great or have any clue? No. Is it a lie for Trump to say it? No. But to the Trump h**ers, it's just another lie. I***ts!

Fodaoson Loc: South Texas

Politicians lie. President Trump may be a newcomer but he is still by definition is a politician. Congress persons Are by definition politicians. neither party has a monopoly on lying or misdirection.

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

Wow, the Democrats have been lying to us for years yet no one seems to care.

Example,

Joe Biden, "So they said they had—they were walking out to a press conference. I said, nah, I’m not going to—or, we’re not going to give you the billion dollars. They said, you have no authority. You’re not the president. The president said—I said, call him.

(Laughter.)

I said, I’m telling you, you’re not getting the billion dollars. I said, you’re not getting the billion. I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a b***h. (Laughter.) He got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time.

Well, there’s still—so they made some genuine substantial changes institutionally and with people. But one of the three institutions, there’s now some backsliding."

Yet Donald Trump is being impeached for:

" The other thing, There’s a lot of talk about Biden’s son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so wh**ever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me."

Now is this investigating a political opponent, which is not illegal, for if it is then the Obama administration and the Hillary Clinton's DNC would be guilty of the same.

So who is telling the T***h?

"What is the t***h?" said jesting Pilate and would not stay for an answer."

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Great post!

alabuck Loc: Tennessee

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Ranger,
One thing for sure, is that your post, above, is itself, an absolute lie, according to Snopes.

“A C-SPAN video (which you failed to include) shows former Vice President Joe Biden confessing that he "bribed" Ukraine to drop the Burisma investigation.A C-SPAN video shows former Vice President Joe Biden confessing that he "bribed" Ukraine to drop the Burisma investigation.

“Rating: False

“Origin
“As an impeachment inquiry into U.S. President Donald Trump’s actions commenced in October 2019, so did partisan invocations of whataboutism — a logical fallacy that involves “a reversal of accusation, arguing that an opponent is guilty of an offense just as egregious or worse than what the original party was accused of doing, however unconnected the offenses may be.”

“One example of such was a video clip posted to C-SPAN’s website on Sept. 21, 2019 under the title “Joe Biden Confesses to Bribery.” The video was accompanied by a caption reading “Former Vice President Joe Biden confesses to being in charge of Ukraine for the Obama Administration, and withholding $1 billion in loan guarantees from the USA to force Ukraine to fire prosecutor who was looking into the company that H****r B***n was receiving $83,000+ PER MONTH from”:

“The user-created clip fostered a false impression by pairing a misleading caption with an excerpt from a much longer video with no context. (The video carries a statement from C-SPAN noting that “This clip, title, and description were not created by C-SPAN.”)

“President Trump has been accused by a whistleblower, and is under a House-led impeachment inquiry, for allegedly attempting to coerce Ukraine into provide damaging information on Trump political rival Joe Biden by withholding crucial military aid from that country. The video on C-SPAN’s website attempted to show Biden, a potential political rival for the presidency in 2020, admitting to a parallel wrongdoing during a trip to Ukraine in 2016:


“In the original video clip, VP Biden said, ‘And I went over, I guess, the 12th, 13th time to Kiev. And I was supposed to announce that there was another billion-dollar loan guarantee. And I had gotten a commitment from Poroshenko and from Yatsenyuk that they would take action against the state prosecutor. And they didn’t.

‘So they said they had — they were walking out to a press conference. I said, nah, I’m not going to — or, we’re not going to give you the billion dollars. They said, you have no authority. You’re not the president. The president said — I said, call him. I said, I’m telling you, you’re not getting the billion dollars. I said, you’re not getting the billion. I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a b***h. (Laughter.) He got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time.”

The billion dollars Biden was threatening to withhold was $1BILLION in LOAN GUARANTEES, NOT any military aide. I understand thst you don’t have the mental capacity to think for yourself, but this time, really try hard.

The video clip was taken from a portion of a talk Biden gave in January, 2018, at a “Council on Foreign Relations” meeting in Washington, D.C., which was held in conjunction with the publication of the January/February issue of Foreign Affairs magazine. Biden had co-authored an article for that month’s issue with former White House official Michael Carpenter, titled “How to Stand Up to the Kremlin: Defending Democracy Against Its Enemies.”

In the “excerpted” portion of the clip, Biden was discussing his efforts on behalf of the Obama administration to pressure Ukraine into to prosecuting corruption and firing Viktor Shokin, an ineffective (and corrupt) prosecutor.

That effort by Biden has been used by Trump supporters to argue, inaccurately, that Biden single-handedly had Shokin fired because Shokin was investigating Burisma, a Ukrainian group of energy exploration and production companies of which Biden’s son H****r was a board member.

However, Shokin was NOT fired for investigating Burisma, but for his failure to pursue corruption investigations — including investigations connected to Burisma, INSIDE Ukraine. And Biden wasn’t alone in the effort to push Shokin out, but rather was spearheading the Obama administration’s policy, which represented a consensus among diplomats, officials from additional, various European countries, AND the International Monetary Fund that Shokin was an impediment to rooting out corruption in his country, according to Bloomberg Magazine:

Shokin became prosecutor general in February 2015. Over the next year, the U.S. and the International Monetary Fund criticized officials for not doing enough to fight corruption in Ukraine …

The U.S. plan to push for Shokin’s dismissal did NOT, initially, come from Biden, but rather filtered up from officials at the U.S. Embassy in Kiev, according to a person with direct knowledge of the situation. Embassy personnel had called for U.S. loan guarantees to Ukraine to be tied to broader anti-corruption efforts, including Shokin’s dismissal, this person said.

Biden’s threat to withhold $1 billion [in U.S. loan guarantees] if Ukraine didn’t crack down on corruption reportedly came in March [2016]. That same month, hundreds of Ukrainians demonstrated outside President Petro Poroshenko’s office demanding Shokin’s resignation, and he was dismissed. (After Ikrains’s p**********l e******n, Poroshenko fled to Moscow and Putin, where he still is.

Moreover, among the reasons the U.S. and other countries, sought Shokin’s ouster was his failure to assist with or pursue an investigation of Burisma Holdings’ owner, NOT Biden’s son.

H****r B***n joined [Burisma’s] board in April 2014, two months after U.K. authorities requested information from Ukraine as part of a probe against [Burisma Holdings owner Mykola] Zlochevsky related to money laundering allegations. Zlochevsky had been minister of environmental protection under then-President Viktor Yanukovych, who fled to Russia in February 2014 after mass protests.

After the U.K. request, Ukrainian prosecutors opened their own case, accusing Zlochevsky of embezzling public funds. Burisma and Zlochevsky have denied the allegations.

The case against Zlochevsky and his Burisma Holdings was assigned to Shokin, then a deputy prosecutor. But Shokin and others weren’t pursuing it, according to the internal reports from the Ukrainian prosecutor’s office reviewed by Bloomberg.

In a December 2014 letter, U.S. officials warned Ukrainian prosecutors of negative consequences for Ukraine over its failure to assist the U.K., which had seized Zlochevsky’s assets, according to the documents.

Shokin took no action to pursue cases against Zlochevsky throughout 2015, said [Vitaliy] Kasko, who was Shokin’s deputy overseeing international cooperation and helping in asset-recovery investigations. Kasko said he had urged Shokin to pursue the investigations.

“There was no pressure from anyone from the U.S. to close cases against Zlochevsky,” Kasko said in an interview. “It was shelved by Ukrainian prosecutors in 2014 and through 2015.”
That’s not to say the former vice president’s 2018 commentary at the Council on Foreign Relations meeting was worded well. Before his remarks morphed into “evidence” for claims that Biden ordered Ukraine to fire Shokin for investigating Burisma, they were picked up by Russian government-controlled outlets such as RT and Sputnik to levy accusations that the Obama administration was engaged in heavy-handed meddling in Ukraine’s affairs.“

A link to the FULL video is below.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/c-span-video-joe-biden-ukraine/

So, “Mr Can’t-tell-the-t***h-from-the-lies-he’s-been-feeding-you-for-way-too-long,” try to dispute the following. Oh, I know you’ll probably say that Snopes.com is just another left-wing propaganda source. But then, that’ll be another BIG lie you told.

You and your fellow wrong-wingers can’t defend the facts that have come out of these CONSTITUTIONAL and LEGALLY SANCTIONED oversight investigations, p,us Mueller’s investigation. So, in your many mindless attempts to try to justify the multiple multitudes of illegal actions committed by your new “savior,” you use one of his own tactics and lie, lie, lie and lie some more, ad nausium. When you tire of lying, you deflect away from the subject, again, ad nausium. When you tire of that, you resort to “whataboutism.” When that doesn’t work, you go to insults and innuendo, again, ad nausium. And, to anyone who has ever debated, when you resort to insults and innuendo is when everyone knows you’ve nothing of substance to provide and are a LOSER, to use one of Trump’s favorite self-descriptive words.

That you and your fellow Trump cultists continue to refuse to leave Trump’s sinking Titanic is proof that your last independent thought died of loneliness many years ago. Enjoy your ride down and try to hold your breath. You’d better begin looking for a life preserver now. Trump’s typical play in these situations (remember, he bankrupted 6 businesses, plea-dealed his way out of 2 federal law suits, has refused to pay many of his contractors, has refused to pay the several cities he’s held political rallies at, beginning since his campaign first began.)

Given these very factual examples, you might want to check for life jackets before too much longer. I’d be very afraid that Trump re-appropriated them for his family only. (You know that he’s real good at re-appropriating things.) That would leave you looking for wooden boards to hang onto. FYI: The Potomac River gets very cold in January.

Again, ”Before his remarks morphed into “evidence” for claims that Biden ordered Ukraine to fire Shokin for investigating Burisma, they were picked up by Russian government-controlled outlets such as RT and Sputnik to levy accusations that the Obama administration was engaged in heavy-handed meddling in Ukraine’s affairs.“

Now, I must ask, did you get this pile of crap you posted from RT or Sputnic? Either one is a Russian controlled “news outlet” used by many of the alt-right outlets in the U.S. In the future, when you post your pile of lies, please consider where they came from by investigating the info in your post. (Finding where your OP originated wasn't hard and only took less than a second.

If you trust any info that originated in Russia, I must question which country has your patriotic loyalty, the US or Russia. Of course, yoir OP shows us that you’re following Trump’s lead and example. In Helsinki, he took Putin’s word regarding their part in subverting our 2016 e******n over our own intelligence agencies. I question Trump’s patriotism, too; even far more than your’s. You’re just one of his mindless cult followers who hangs on his every word. He’s the cult leader.

debeda

Ranger just posted the transcript. Read it yourself

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

So Biden didn't brag about getting Shokin fired? Lol! Right.

Seth

It's this selective memory thing peculiar to Democrats.

Saspatz007 Loc: The goat sheds

As is your spelling

Saspatz007 Loc: The goat sheds

Amen

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

So the press conference is made up?

Joe Biden admitted that he would withhold the billion dollars if they don't fire the prosecutor. That is a Tit for Tat otherwise known as a Quid Pro Quo. Now the question is did Biden benefit from the Quid Pro Quo? Apparently he did or H****r did. This is in another sense graph.

Now, what Trump did was introduce an investigation on the 2016 e******n and was requesting help. This is not a Quid Pro Quo, but rather a person seeking information on what happened. Way different. Ukraine freely agreed. It's that simple. Paul Maniford was deemed guilty of campaign financing because of Ukraine. Since the facts are ambiguous the case is unclear but Paul please guilty. That's what makes the case iffy. The evidence was not vetted in a court of law. That's a problem for both Trump and the prosecution. Paul could be innocent on all charges. Same with General Flynn. So Trump sending both the DOJ and mayor G, to investigate is warranted.

I guess we have to wait for the Durum report and the IG report.

EmilyD

Do you really believe Lindsey Graham hasn't read the transcripts? The ones I've already read?

PeterS

And tell me, if Hillary had been elected and she did the very same thing Trump is accused of that there wouldn't be an impeachment inquiry going on because of it!!!

Why are you busting Democrat's chops when you would be doing the very same thing if you had the opportunity?

Who's telling the t***h? Well, it's certainly not Donald J Trump. Where he failed is that he didn't count on people who were real patriots and loved this country over their political party stood up and busted his sorry ass. Listen to Taylor, Vindman, and the rest of the parade testify next week and they will disclose who is lying and who is not...

eden

Nicely put but what do mere facts have anything to do with President Windbag’s colorful narrative. The Bidens are probably guilty of poor judgement in terms of the optics of opportunism but trying to create a false equivalency with Trumps fear driven gangsta moves is a 747 with no wings.
Sorry Cult followers....