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Nov 6, 2019 15:02:59   #
woodguru
 
BigMike wrote:
Trump misdirects, as well, since our enemies force him too, but he's as wide-open as any president will ever be...and it's easy to tell when he's trolling them.

If it contradicts the 3 or 4 things he campaigned on he's usually screwing with someone. Easy.

Wide open is cooperating and helping get your t***h out if you are being so misrepresented. This is not an open administration, in fact the whole issue here is refusing to operate supposedly official state business through official channels, the state department people didn't have a clue what Giuliani was trying to do, he certainly was not representing national interests.

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Nov 6, 2019 15:34:42   #
Sonny Magoo Loc: Where pot pie is boiled in a kettle
 
He must have termites

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Nov 6, 2019 15:47:17   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
woodguru wrote:
Wide open is cooperating and helping get your t***h out if you are being so misrepresented. This is not an open administration, in fact the whole issue here is refusing to operate supposedly official state business through official channels, the state department people didn't have a clue what Giuliani was trying to do, he certainly was not representing national interests.


Too many l*****t moles in the State Department to let them in on things.

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Nov 6, 2019 15:56:03   #
woodguru
 
Seth wrote:
Very well said.

Too bad it is entirely incorrect, but damn you all are good at great sounding rhetoric.

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Nov 6, 2019 16:00:11   #
woodguru
 
Seth wrote:
Trump occasionally exaggerates, but he doesn't lie to the people to con them, with guarantees like "You can keep your health insurance."

Did you ever figure out what the "lie" was there?

If you had a junk plan you were going to lose the healthcare plan you had and be forced to get a better one. The ACA literally ended junk plans that weren't worth anything because of their high copay and out of pocket levels. And the funny part were people being so ignorant that they objected to being forced to get a better plan, the outrage of it all.

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Nov 6, 2019 16:07:29   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
woodguru wrote:
Wide open is cooperating and helping get your t***h out if you are being so misrepresented. This is not an open administration, in fact the whole issue here is refusing to operate supposedly official state business through official channels, the state department people didn't have a clue what Giuliani was trying to do, he certainly was not representing national interests.
A US president can choose anyone he wants to act as an emissary, an envoy, a messenger, a negotiator, as a representative of him personally or of the Executive Branch.

In 1991, when Valerie Jarrett (Chicago lawyer) was deputy chief of staff to Mayor Richard Daley, she interviewed Michelle Robinson for an opening in the mayor's office, after which she immediately offered Robinson the job. Robinson asked for time to think and also asked Jarrett to meet her fiancé, Barack Obama. The three ended up meeting for dinner. After the dinner, Robinson accepted the job with the mayor's office. It was at this time that Jarrett reportedly took the couple under her wing and introduced them to a wealthier and better-connected Chicago than their own.

On November 14, 2008, as president-elect, Obama selected Valerie Jarrett to serve as his senior advisor and as assistant to the president for intergovernmental relations and public liaison. Since Obama had not yet been sworn in as POTUS, this was not an "official channel" appointment that was confirmed by the advice and consent of the senate. And, after he was sworn into office, no official confirmation was necessary.

Jarrett served Obama as his personal confidante and adviser throughout his two terms in office.

In 2012, Obama dispatched Jarrett as his personal emissary to a series of secret meetings with Iranian officials led by a personal representative of Iran’s supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. The objective of Jarrett's meetings with Iranian officials was to begin more substantive negotiations over the Iranian nuclear program.

The role of special p**********l envoys, with or without formal rank or title, is enshrined in US history and embodied in the Appointments Clause of the US Constitution.

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Nov 6, 2019 16:17:32   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
A US president can choose anyone he wants to act as an emissary, an envoy, a messenger, a negotiator, as a representative of him personally or of the Executive Branch.

In 1991, when Valerie Jarrett (Chicago lawyer) was deputy chief of staff to Mayor Richard Daley, she interviewed Michelle Robinson for an opening in the mayor's office, after which she immediately offered Robinson the job. Robinson asked for time to think and also asked Jarrett to meet her fiancé, Barack Obama. The three ended up meeting for dinner. After the dinner, Robinson accepted the job with the mayor's office. It was at this time that Jarrett reportedly took the couple under her wing and introduced them to a wealthier and better-connected Chicago than their own.

On November 14, 2008, as president-elect, Obama selected Valerie Jarrett to serve as his senior advisor and as assistant to the president for intergovernmental relations and public liaison. Since Obama had not yet been sworn in as POTUS, this was not an "official channel" appointment that was confirmed by the advice and consent of the senate. And, after he was sworn into office, no official confirmation was necessary.

Jarrett served Obama as his personal confidante and adviser throughout his two terms in office.

In 2012, Obama dispatched Jarrett as his personal emissary to a series of secret meetings with Iranian officials led by a personal representative of Iran’s supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. The objective of Jarrett's meetings with Iranian officials was to begin more substantive negotiations over the Iranian nuclear program.

The role of special p**********l envoys, with or without formal rank or title, is enshrined in US history and embodied in the Appointments Clause of the US Constitution.
A US president can choose anyone he wants to act a... (show quote)


There ya go!

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Nov 6, 2019 16:44:03   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
woodguru wrote:
Republicans are already seeing their early defenses crumble as the positions they have taken are steadily proved to be lies, or based on lies.

Do you really care about the t***h? Doesn't lying offend you, or are you okay with a string of solid lies, and willing to repeat those lies?

Lindsey Graham has admitted he hasn't read transcripts, yet he is perfectly willing to represent the rhetoric and lies the right is using. Anyone that exercised due diligence and payed attention would arrive at different conclusions.
Republicans are already seeing their early defense... (show quote)


I care, but both sides lie. I see what makes sense.

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Nov 6, 2019 17:13:26   #
Ricktloml
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
A US president can choose anyone he wants to act as an emissary, an envoy, a messenger, a negotiator, as a representative of him personally or of the Executive Branch.

In 1991, when Valerie Jarrett (Chicago lawyer) was deputy chief of staff to Mayor Richard Daley, she interviewed Michelle Robinson for an opening in the mayor's office, after which she immediately offered Robinson the job. Robinson asked for time to think and also asked Jarrett to meet her fiancé, Barack Obama. The three ended up meeting for dinner. After the dinner, Robinson accepted the job with the mayor's office. It was at this time that Jarrett reportedly took the couple under her wing and introduced them to a wealthier and better-connected Chicago than their own.

On November 14, 2008, as president-elect, Obama selected Valerie Jarrett to serve as his senior advisor and as assistant to the president for intergovernmental relations and public liaison. Since Obama had not yet been sworn in as POTUS, this was not an "official channel" appointment that was confirmed by the advice and consent of the senate. And, after he was sworn into office, no official confirmation was necessary.

Jarrett served Obama as his personal confidante and adviser throughout his two terms in office.

In 2012, Obama dispatched Jarrett as his personal emissary to a series of secret meetings with Iranian officials led by a personal representative of Iran’s supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. The objective of Jarrett's meetings with Iranian officials was to begin more substantive negotiations over the Iranian nuclear program.

The role of special p**********l envoys, with or without formal rank or title, is enshrined in US history and embodied in the Appointments Clause of the US Constitution.
A US president can choose anyone he wants to act a... (show quote)



That's different. When a Democrat/socialist does it, it's just fine. It's only a problem if it's President Trump, or any other Republican for that matter.

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Nov 6, 2019 17:13:26   #
Ricktloml
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
A US president can choose anyone he wants to act as an emissary, an envoy, a messenger, a negotiator, as a representative of him personally or of the Executive Branch.

In 1991, when Valerie Jarrett (Chicago lawyer) was deputy chief of staff to Mayor Richard Daley, she interviewed Michelle Robinson for an opening in the mayor's office, after which she immediately offered Robinson the job. Robinson asked for time to think and also asked Jarrett to meet her fiancé, Barack Obama. The three ended up meeting for dinner. After the dinner, Robinson accepted the job with the mayor's office. It was at this time that Jarrett reportedly took the couple under her wing and introduced them to a wealthier and better-connected Chicago than their own.

On November 14, 2008, as president-elect, Obama selected Valerie Jarrett to serve as his senior advisor and as assistant to the president for intergovernmental relations and public liaison. Since Obama had not yet been sworn in as POTUS, this was not an "official channel" appointment that was confirmed by the advice and consent of the senate. And, after he was sworn into office, no official confirmation was necessary.

Jarrett served Obama as his personal confidante and adviser throughout his two terms in office.

In 2012, Obama dispatched Jarrett as his personal emissary to a series of secret meetings with Iranian officials led by a personal representative of Iran’s supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. The objective of Jarrett's meetings with Iranian officials was to begin more substantive negotiations over the Iranian nuclear program.

The role of special p**********l envoys, with or without formal rank or title, is enshrined in US history and embodied in the Appointments Clause of the US Constitution.
A US president can choose anyone he wants to act a... (show quote)



That's different. When a Democrat/socialist does it, it's just fine. It's only a problem if it's President Trump, or any other Republican for that matter.

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Nov 6, 2019 17:32:16   #
Seth
 
woodguru wrote:
Too bad it is entirely incorrect, but damn you all are good at great sounding rhetoric.


Yup, The T***h always sounds great. Howsomever, to you folks over there on the port side, The T***h invariably sounds like rhetoric. This is because there is such a paucity of it over there. 😎

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Nov 6, 2019 17:49:45   #
Seth
 
woodguru wrote:
Did you ever figure out what the "lie" was there?

If you had a junk plan you were going to lose the healthcare plan you had and be forced to get a better one. The ACA literally ended junk plans that weren't worth anything because of their high copay and out of pocket levels. And the funny part were people being so ignorant that they objected to being forced to get a better plan, the outrage of it all.


When you have a health insurance plan that is essentially tailored to the specific needs of you and your family and it is well within your budget, it is not "junk."

When the federal government comes along and violates the Tenth Amendment with a coverage mandate that heavily increases the liability of your insurance provider so they are forced to raise your rates beyond what you can afford, as did happen to millions of middle class families when Obamacare was unleashed, it is called "getting screwed" in exchange for paying the taxes that support the very politicians that did the screwing.

And what then? Insurance "exchanges" that offered the same overpriced coverage, or go without and pay a four digit annual penalty?

You actually see something attractive in all that, Mr. Wood?

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Nov 6, 2019 18:13:14   #
roy
 
Seth wrote:
Trump occasionally exaggerates, but he doesn't lie to the people to con them, with guarantees like "You can keep your health insurance."

Today's Democrats lie, swindle and c***t to get what they want.


No he screws over veterans telling them they will be able to go to regular hospital to get their healthcare if they can't get into va at a reasonable time ,how that lie working when so many of our veterans are dieing every day because they are still got those wait times. YOU WOULD THINK THIS IS WOULD BE ONE PROMISE HE WOULD HAVE KEPT. And if you think that Democrats like swindle and c***t to get what they want and can't look at your party that does the same I feel sorry for you..

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Nov 6, 2019 18:39:35   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
BigMike wrote:
Poring over everything Trump says looking for "lies"...

How manic is that?


They're probably lies. How is that?

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Nov 6, 2019 19:12:27   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
woodguru wrote:
Republicans are already seeing their early defenses crumble as the positions they have taken are steadily proved to be lies, or based on lies.

Do you really care about the t***h? Doesn't lying offend you, or are you okay with a string of solid lies, and willing to repeat those lies?

Lindsey Graham has admitted he hasn't read transcripts, yet he is perfectly willing to represent the rhetoric and lies the right is using. Anyone that exercised due diligence and payed attention would arrive at different conclusions.
Republicans are already seeing their early defense... (show quote)


Surely you're not going to tell us that the Democrats are the most honest and t***hful folks in America are you ?

Democrats can out lie anyone hands down !

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