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Nov 3, 2019 09:06:25   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
From a friend of mine who is also a fantasy geek..

"Did Tolkien believe that Satan is redeemable?"


This prompted an hour long texting...


Enjoy

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Nov 3, 2019 11:13:12   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
From a friend of mine who is also a fantasy geek..

"Did Tolkien believe that Satan is redeemable?"


This prompted an hour long texting...


Enjoy


If not, at least hell could have been made inhobbittable.

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Nov 4, 2019 05:43:00   #
rjoeholl
 
lpnmajor wrote:
If not, at least hell could have been made inhobbittable.


Best pun ever!

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Nov 4, 2019 08:02:49   #
Big dog
 
lpnmajor wrote:
If not, at least hell could have been made inhobbittable.


Groan........

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Nov 4, 2019 12:06:07   #
Ferrous Loc: Pacific North Coast, CA
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
From a friend of mine who is also a fantasy geek..

"Did Tolkien believe that Satan is redeemable?"


This prompted an hour long texting...


Enjoy


Wouldn't Satan think just the opposite, that God is redeemable?

Without both, we have no Dualism... The difference between Light and Dark, Yin and Yang, Good and Evil.

Without it, we have only "Sameness."

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Nov 4, 2019 15:49:54   #
milamber
 
Big dog wrote:
Groan........


yeah got to 2nd that GROAN........................

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Nov 4, 2019 17:57:00   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Ferrous wrote:
Wouldn't Satan think just the opposite, that God is redeemable?

Without both, we have no Dualism... The difference between Light and Dark, Yin and Yang, Good and Evil.

Without it, we have only "Sameness."


Do you believe that sin serves a purpose?

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Nov 4, 2019 17:57:43   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
lpnmajor wrote:
If not, at least hell could have been made inhobbittable.


Thanks

I was not above posting this to my friend... And he also groaned

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Nov 4, 2019 21:11:39   #
Ferrous Loc: Pacific North Coast, CA
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Do you believe that sin serves a purpose?


Yes...

The very definition answers that...

Definition of serve no purpose
: to have no particular use or function : to not be useful or helpful in any way .

Without Sin we have no Tempering of our Souls. Adam and Eve were without Sin, but their Curiosity ended that, Maybe that is why God Placed the Tree of Knowledge in the Garden of Eden?

Knowledge meant Sinning? (going against God)… or Knowing the difference between Right and Wrong

Maybe that Tree was Serving a Purpose?



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Nov 4, 2019 21:39:43   #
debeda
 
lpnmajor wrote:
If not, at least hell could have been made inhobbittable.



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Nov 4, 2019 21:45:36   #
debeda
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Do you believe that sin serves a purpose?


I do. I also believe hardship serves a purpose. Without hardship we don't strive. Without striving we don't grow.
Most sin stems from fear. Fear of hardship, fear of loss, lack of belief in self, so fear of failure. So we sin by trying to take the easy path, the power path, the safe path. That's my perspective in a nutshell

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Nov 4, 2019 22:45:24   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Ferrous wrote:
Yes...

The very definition answers that...

Definition of serve no purpose
: to have no particular use or function : to not be useful or helpful in any way .

Without Sin we have no Tempering of our Souls. Adam and Eve were without Sin, but their Curiosity ended that, Maybe that is why God Placed the Tree of Knowledge in the Garden of Eden?

Knowledge meant Sinning? (going against God)… or Knowing the difference between Right and Wrong

Maybe that Tree was Serving a Purpose?
Yes... br br The very definition answers that... ... (show quote)


We agree on this...

I have always read the story of the apple as a metaphor for humanity as a species reaching consciousness...

Gaining the ability to differentiate between right and wrong...

Love the term "tempering our souls"...

Absolutely

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Nov 4, 2019 22:50:05   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
debeda wrote:
I do. I also believe hardship serves a purpose. Without hardship we don't strive. Without striving we don't grow.
Most sin stems from fear. Fear of hardship, fear of loss, lack of belief in self, so fear of failure. So we sin by trying to take the easy path, the power path, the safe path. That's my perspective in a nutshell


I agree with the first part... Although I believe that truth, love, beauty and knowledge are avenues for growth as well....

Like the "tempering of the soul" metaphor...

Not sure if I would refer to sin as the easy path... Perhaps the more self-centered path?

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Nov 4, 2019 22:53:26   #
debeda
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I agree with the first part... Although I believe that truth, love, beauty and knowledge are avenues for growth as well....

Like the "tempering of the soul" metaphor...

Not sure if I would refer to sin as the easy path... Perhaps the more self-centered path?


No, the easy path. When you're fearful you try to do the easy thing - which is most often the dead wrong thing.
I agree that beauty, knowledge etc are also avenues of growth. But those dont quite connect to the sin thing (topic)

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Nov 4, 2019 23:02:42   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
debeda wrote:
No, the easy path. When you're fearful you try to do the easy thing - which is most often the dead wrong thing.
I agree that beauty, knowledge etc are also avenues of growth. But those dont quite connect to the sin thing (topic)


I don't know... Beauty, knowledge, etc can lead to sin as well...

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