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Nov 10, 2019 20:09:40   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Zemirah wrote:
God determined the meaning of His death. ...and of His resurrection.

Jesus Christ was fully God and fully man.

John 10:11: "I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep."

Jesus said in John 10:14: "I am the good shepherd. I know My sheep and My sheep know Me,
John 10:15 "just as the Father knows Me and I know the Father. And I lay down My life for the sheep.
John 10:17 "The reason the Father loves Me is that I lay down My life in order to take it up again.
John 10:18 No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of My own accord. I lay down my life for my sheep. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from My Father."
God determined the meaning of His death. ...and of... (show quote)


Yes... He received authority from God... The authority did not originate with him...

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Nov 10, 2019 20:14:00   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
God the Son received authority from God the Father, and He was obedient unto death.

They and the Holy Spirit are One.



Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Yes... He received authority from God... The authority did not originate with him...

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Nov 10, 2019 20:16:04   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Zemirah wrote:
God the Son received authority from God the Father, and He was obedient unto death.

They and the Holy Spirit are One.


So God the Father and God the Son are not co-equal?

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Nov 10, 2019 20:44:03   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
1. Seriously? What was special about Jesus that God chose to resurrect him? I refer you to Tommy's answer to Maximus concerning who Christ was....

2. Jesus did not resurrect the dead through his power... He specifically pointed out that anything he did was through God's power, not his own...
Tommy's answer concerning who Christ was is who Christ was according to Tommy.

Who IS Christ according to Jesus Himself?

Jesus, in response to the Pharisees’ question “Who do you think you are?” said, “‘Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.’ ‘You are not yet fifty years old,’ the Jews said to him, ‘and you have seen Abraham!’ ‘I tell you the t***h,’ Jesus answered, ‘before Abraham was born, I AM!’ At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds” (John 8:56–59). The violent response of the Jews to Jesus’ “I AM” statement indicates they clearly understood what He was declaring—that He was the eternal God incarnate. Jesus was equating Himself with the "I AM" title God gave Himself.

And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?

And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.
Exodus 3: 13-14

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power.
Colossians 2: 8-10

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Nov 10, 2019 20:52:07   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Tommy's answer concerning who Christ was is who Christ was according to Tommy.


Summed it up for me quite nicely as well...

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Who IS Christ according to Jesus Himself?

Jesus, in response to the Pharisees’ question “Who do you think you are?” said, “‘Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.’ ‘You are not yet fifty years old,’ the Jews said to him, ‘and you have seen Abraham!’ ‘I tell you the t***h,’ Jesus answered, ‘before Abraham was born, I AM!’ At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds” (John 8:56–59). The violent response of the Jews to Jesus’ “I AM” statement indicates they clearly understood what He was declaring—that He was the eternal God incarnate. Jesus was equating Himself with the "I AM" title God gave Himself.
Who IS Christ according to Jesus Himself? br br J... (show quote)


I'm sure that Abraham did rejoice at the knowledge of the savior...I'd have to check... But I believe God and Jesus used different terms to state " I AM"... If true, odd, no?

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Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power.
Colossians 2: 8-10


Good advice

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Nov 10, 2019 20:54:55   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Tommy's answer concerning who Christ was is who Christ was according to Tommy.

Who IS Christ according to Jesus Himself?

Jesus, in response to the Pharisees’ question “Who do you think you are?” said, “‘Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.’ ‘You are not yet fifty years old,’ the Jews said to him, ‘and you have seen Abraham!’ ‘I tell you the t***h,’ Jesus answered, ‘before Abraham was born, I AM!’ At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds” (John 8:56–59). The violent response of the Jews to Jesus’ “I AM” statement indicates they clearly understood what He was declaring—that He was the eternal God incarnate. Jesus was equating Himself with the "I AM" title God gave Himself.

And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?

And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.
Exodus 3: 13-14

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power.
Colossians 2: 8-10
Tommy's answer concerning who Christ was is who Ch... (show quote)



“Jesus said to them, 'Verily, verily, I say to you, Before Abraham's coming -- I am;'” Young’s Literal t***slation.

In the Greek Septuagint (as t***slated by Jews), God used the term “ho on” for “I am”, not “ego eimi” as Jesus used...

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Nov 10, 2019 21:01:36   #
rumitoid
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Tommy's answer concerning who Christ was is who Christ was according to Tommy.

Who IS Christ according to Jesus Himself?

Jesus, in response to the Pharisees’ question “Who do you think you are?” said, “‘Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.’ ‘You are not yet fifty years old,’ the Jews said to him, ‘and you have seen Abraham!’ ‘I tell you the t***h,’ Jesus answered, ‘before Abraham was born, I AM!’ At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds” (John 8:56–59). The violent response of the Jews to Jesus’ “I AM” statement indicates they clearly understood what He was declaring—that He was the eternal God incarnate. Jesus was equating Himself with the "I AM" title God gave Himself.

And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?

And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.
Exodus 3: 13-14

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power.
Colossians 2: 8-10
Tommy's answer concerning who Christ was is who Ch... (show quote)


What you are saying merely has the appearance of supporting the idea of the Trinity. I completely respect your faith in this belief. And even though I see differently, we have no quarrel. I may be immature or misguided in faith but that is a disputable matter and nothing to divide us.

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Nov 10, 2019 21:02:08   #
Fodaoson Loc: South Texas
 
According to The Bible,the inspired word of God, God the father ,Jesus the son and The Holy Spirit are one, Genesis 1:26 states " let US make man in OUR image". Us and our are plural. Other passages mentioned in other posts confirm the trinity. Jesus was incarnated to be the ultimate sacrifice for sin. He is not a prophet he is Messiah.

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Nov 10, 2019 21:03:37   #
rumitoid
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Good advice


Actually the t***slation was not I am but I was.

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Nov 10, 2019 21:06:54   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
rumitoid wrote:
Actually the t***slation was not I am but I was.


I'm aware...but thanks

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Nov 10, 2019 21:07:34   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
rumitoid wrote:
What you are saying merely has the appearance of supporting the idea of the Trinity. I completely respect your faith in this belief. And even though I see differently, we have no quarrel. I may be immature or misguided in faith but that is a disputable matter and nothing to divide us.


I would like to second this...

Absolutely no quarrel...

Just a discussion...

Amen

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Nov 10, 2019 21:07:39   #
rumitoid
 
Fodaoson wrote:
According to The Bible,the inspired word of God, God the father ,Jesus the son and The Holy Spirit are one, Genesis 1:26 states " let US make man in OUR image". Us and our are plural. Other passages mentioned in other posts confirm the trinity. Jesus was incarnated to be the ultimate sacrifice for sin. He is not a prophet he is Messiah.


It would be good if you used quote reply so we know what comment you are addressing. My question to you is: the trinity presupposes three in one, so why say "us" and "our"? One is not plural.

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Nov 10, 2019 21:20:58   #
Fodaoson Loc: South Texas
 
rumitoid wrote:
It would be good if you used quote reply so we know what comment you are addressing. My question to you is: the trinity presupposes three in one, so why say "us" and "our"? One is not plural.


"in Trinitarian doctrine, God exists as three persons or hypostases, but is one being, having a single divine nature. The members of the Trinity are co-equal and co-eternal, one in essence, nature, power, action, and will."

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Nov 10, 2019 21:23:33   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
rumitoid wrote:
It would be good if you used quote reply so we know what comment you are addressing. My question to you is: the trinity presupposes three in one, so why say "us" and "our"? One is not plural.


Or God was simply using the royal "we"...

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Nov 10, 2019 21:25:03   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Fodaoson wrote:
"in Trinitarian doctrine, God exists as three persons or hypostases, but is one being, having a single divine nature. The members of the Trinity are co-equal and co-eternal, one in essence, nature, power, action, and will."


Cannot be co-equal... Christ specifically stated that God gave him his power... And that he himself could do nothing except through the Father... Numerous verses prove that the relationship was not co-equal...

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