Religious question!! (Page 63): My goodness! I wonder what you could accomplish with a fully “furnished” shop? Very impressive and beautiful !

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

Blade_Runner wrote:

Thank our Almighty God, Radiance. As Denzel Washin... (show quote)

My goodness! I wonder what you could accomplish with a fully “furnished” shop? Very impressive and beautiful !

rumitoid

TexaCan wrote:

I see you have ignored my questions! Why is this ... (show quote)

Why do you always pull off this charade about me not answering your questions? No matter. Let me see, you want verses in the Bible that speaks out against a false doctrine not expressed for centuries after the New Testament? Curious. Try this for a beginning in defeating this apostate belief. This video accurately shows how the idea of the trinity had similar pagan roots like Easter and Christmas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bThWd1HgnTY You, Texacan, are falling for an ancient heresy.

Norbert Brox, a professor of church history, confirms that Constantine was never actually a converted Christian: “Constantine did not experience any conversion; there are no signs of a change of faith in him. He never said of himself that he had turned to another god . . . At the time when he turned to Christianity, for him this was Sol Invictus (the victorious sun god)” ( A Concise History of the Early Church, 1996, p. 48).

When it came to the Nicene Council, The Encyclopaedia Britannica states: “Constantine himself presided, actively guiding the discussions, and personally proposed . . . the crucial formula expressing the relation of Christ to God in the creed issued by the council . . . Overawed by the emperor, the bishops, with two exceptions only, signed the creed, many of them much against their inclination” (1971 edition, Vol. 6, “Constantine,” p. 386).

With the emperor’s approval, the Council rejected the minority view of Arius and, having nothing definitive with which to replace it, approved the view of Athanasius—also a minority view. The church was left in the odd position of officially supporting, from that point forward, the decision made at Nicaea to endorse a belief held by only a minority of those attending.

The groundwork for official acceptance of the Trinity was now laid—but it took more than three centuries after Jesus Christ’s death and resurrection for this unbiblical teaching to emerge! Read the rest here, if you dare: https://www.ucg.org/bible-study-tools/booklets/is-god-a-trinity/the-surprising-origins-of-the-trinity-doctrine

rumitoid

Blade_Runner wrote:

b God, the Father --- God, the Son --- God, the H... (show quote)

Please read this whole article if you actually care about the t***h and not just protecting your beliefs

https://www.ucg.org/bible-study-tools/booklets/is-god-a-trinity/what-about-passages-that-prove-the-trinity:
Some people, seeking to buttress their belief in the Trinity, point to a number of biblical passages that supposedly show Father, Son and Holy Spirit operating together as a Trinity. But do these passages really show that? We must be sure to read exactly what these verses do say and what they don't say, and not read into them our own mistaken assumptions.

So what about verses “proving” the Trinity? Those that are typically cited merely show the operation or involvement of Father, Son and Spirit in some aspect of Christian experience. But this proves nothing with regard to the supposed personhood of the Holy Spirit or whether Father, Son and Spirit are one being. All that can be shown from such examples is that the three exist and that they are in some particular manner involved in wh**ever is being described—obvious points that are beyond dispute.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

rumitoid wrote:

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Our Christian faith hangs on the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus. If you deny the divinity of Jesus Christ, you render His crucifixion and resurrection meaningless, your sins cannot be forgiven, and you are not a Christian.

I have read and watched videos of testimonials by former Muslims, Hindus, Mormons and atheists who overwhelmingly agreed that it was the Gospels of Christ that turned them to Jesus. The gospel most mentioned is the Gospel of John.

Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God . . . The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and t***h.

Europe's Oldest Book: John's Gospel and the Power of the Word

By John Stonestreet and G. Shane Morris.
Sunday, October 21, 2018

At some point in your faith journey, somebody probably handed you a copy of the Gospel of John. Turns out Christians have been doing this for a long time.

In 2015, the website Bible Gateway conducted a survey asking participants to choose their favorite book of the Bible. Guess which one came out on top: the Gospel of John.

All Scripture is God-breathed, of course, but John has long been a favorite. It was, after all, written by "the disciple whom Jesus loved," one of the Lord's inner circle within the Twelve, and the only male disciple to have stayed by Christ's side all the way to the cross.

John's Gospel is unique. It's structured differently than the other three Gospels: half the book describes three years of Jesus' life and the other half describes the last week of his life. John interspersed carefully selected miracles—seven of them—with seven "discourses" or sermons. It's flow finally culminates in the resurrection, the greatest miracle, which is followed by a final discourse of sorts to Peter, on the beach, after making them breakfast.

The Gospel of John has been aptly described by biblical scholar Leon Morris and others "as a pool in which a child can wade and an elephant can swim."

It is also the New Testament book for which we have the earliest manuscript evidence, a papyrus fragment the size of a business card, possibly dating back to the early second century, within a few years of its author's death.

In a month or so, a much later manuscript of this gospel will be on display. Its story reveals that this beloved gospel has offered comfort to Christians through the ages.

St. Cuthbert's Gospel, a leather-bound, Latin copy of John acquired by the British Library in 2012, is believed to be Europe's oldest surviving book. Written sometime in the late seventh century, this beautifully-preserved segment of God's word was slipped into the coffin of a man regarded as a saint, perhaps by a friend thinking of Jesus' words recorded in John 11:25: "I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live."

The book lay with St. Cuthbert for over 400 years. It was removed when his remains were relocated to Durham Cathedral.

The book, with its red cover, elegant, double vine scroll and pristine condition, will go on display later this month at the British Library as part of an exhibit called "Anglo-Saxon Kingdoms: Art, Word, War." The library has published scanned images of every page of the gospel. If you come to BreakPoint.org, we'll link you to it.

But as beautiful as the book is, it's the "word" inside that has captured the church's attention for centuries.

The "Word," or the "Logos," is central to John's theology. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

With this opening line, John immediately connects Jesus with the Genesis account of creation. When God spoke the cosmos into existence, His speech was a Person—a Person who took on flesh and came to dwell among us.

John's Gospel, treasured today as it was in St. Cuthbert's time, reveals Jesus in ways the other gospels do not. He is "light" and "life," something not only clearly said in John's prologue, but revealed by the miracles and sermons John chose to include.

He is our Good Shepherd. He prays for our unity. He uses His last breaths to ensure the care of his mother. From John we know of Jesus' post-resurrection appearances to Mary Magdalene and Thomas, and of His glorified breakfast of fish with His disciples.

Because John portrays the Jesus who knew and loved him, his gospel has kindled faith and comforted many throughout the centuries. John's Gospel is still handed out in booklet form by evangelists to this day, and its summary of the good news in chapter three, verse 16 is perhaps the most quoted Bible verse in history.

That this 1,300-year-old saint and those who laid him to rest cherished the Gospel of John should inspire in us a profound gratitude, not only for the printed word and how common and even commonplace it's become, but for the way John's word allowed believers across the ages to see, and believe, the glory of the Word made flesh.

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

rumi, this source, ucg.org, "the United Church of God" is a non-Christian cult that denies the Trinity, the true divinity of Christ, and requires both baptism and obedience to the commandments to be saved.

It teaches that there is a "God family" of which we can become members through keeping the Law. Jesus is one of two divine beings, the Father being the other. The Holy Spirit is a force, a power, and is not the 3rd person of the Trinity, and it is received only through the laying on of hands by their church members.

It also teaches that their members are obligated to keep the Sabbath and must observe seven festivals. They cannot eat "unclean" meat. This is a false religious system that teaches a false God, false Christ, and false gospel.

Addendum:

Jesus said:
“When the Spirit of t***h comes, he will guide you into all t***h. He will not speak on his own but will tell you what he has heard. He will tell you about the future. He will bring me glory by telling you wh**ever he receives from me. All that belongs to the Father is mine; this is why I said, ‘The Spirit will tell you wh**ever he receives from me.’”
‭‭John‬ ‭16:13-15‬ ‭

rumitoid wrote:

Please read this whole article if you actually car... (show quote)

Rose42

rumitoid wrote:

Why do you always pull off this charade about me not answering your questions? No matter. Let me see, you want verses in the Bible that speaks out against a false doctrine not expressed for centuries after the New Testament? Curious. Try this for a beginning in defeating this apostate belief. This video accurately shows how the idea of the trinity had similar pagan roots like Easter and Christmas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bThWd1HgnTY You, Texacan, are falling for an ancient heresy.

Norbert Brox, a professor of church history, confirms that Constantine was never actually a converted Christian: “Constantine did not experience any conversion; there are no signs of a change of faith in him. He never said of himself that he had turned to another god . . . At the time when he turned to Christianity, for him this was Sol Invictus (the victorious sun god)” ( A Concise History of the Early Church, 1996, p. 48).

When it came to the Nicene Council, The Encyclopaedia Britannica states: “Constantine himself presided, actively guiding the discussions, and personally proposed . . . the crucial formula expressing the relation of Christ to God in the creed issued by the council . . . Overawed by the emperor, the bishops, with two exceptions only, signed the creed, many of them much against their inclination” (1971 edition, Vol. 6, “Constantine,” p. 386).

With the emperor’s approval, the Council rejected the minority view of Arius and, having nothing definitive with which to replace it, approved the view of Athanasius—also a minority view. The church was left in the odd position of officially supporting, from that point forward, the decision made at Nicaea to endorse a belief held by only a minority of those attending.

The groundwork for official acceptance of the Trinity was now laid—but it took more than three centuries after Jesus Christ’s death and resurrection for this unbiblical teaching to emerge! Read the rest here, if you dare: https://www.ucg.org/bible-study-tools/booklets/is-god-a-trinity/the-surprising-origins-of-the-trinity-doctrine

Why do you always pull off this charade about me n... (show quote)

Not everyone has ears to hear. Without being born again there is no spiritual discernment and the bible is read like any other book. Charles Templeton once traveled with Billy Graham and was considered to be the more eloquent and gifted speaker. However, he ended up rejecting God. Intellectual knowledge is not heart knowledge and without being born again one will not have spiritual discernment.

I'm not saying you aren't born again but you must be more discerning.

Christian scholars have examined this book like no other. They acknowledge God has a triune nature.

Everyone who calls themselves a Christian should read The Almost Christian by George Whitefield.

https://www.ccel.org/ccel/whitefield/sermons.xlv.html

rumitoid

Blade_Runner wrote:

Our Christian faith hangs on the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus. If you deny the divinity of Jesus Christ, you render His crucifixion and resurrection meaningless, your sins cannot be forgiven, and you are not a Christian.

I have read and watched videos of testimonials by former Muslims, Hindus, Mormons and atheists who overwhelmingly agreed that it was the Gospels of Christ that turned them to Jesus. The gospel most mentioned is the Gospel of John.

Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God . . . The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and t***h.

Europe's Oldest Book: John's Gospel and the Power of the Word

By John Stonestreet and G. Shane Morris.
Sunday, October 21, 2018

At some point in your faith journey, somebody probably handed you a copy of the Gospel of John. Turns out Christians have been doing this for a long time.

In 2015, the website Bible Gateway conducted a survey asking participants to choose their favorite book of the Bible. Guess which one came out on top: the Gospel of John.

All Scripture is God-breathed, of course, but John has long been a favorite. It was, after all, written by "the disciple whom Jesus loved," one of the Lord's inner circle within the Twelve, and the only male disciple to have stayed by Christ's side all the way to the cross.

John's Gospel is unique. It's structured differently than the other three Gospels: half the book describes three years of Jesus' life and the other half describes the last week of his life. John interspersed carefully selected miracles—seven of them—with seven "discourses" or sermons. It's flow finally culminates in the resurrection, the greatest miracle, which is followed by a final discourse of sorts to Peter, on the beach, after making them breakfast.

The Gospel of John has been aptly described by biblical scholar Leon Morris and others "as a pool in which a child can wade and an elephant can swim."

It is also the New Testament book for which we have the earliest manuscript evidence, a papyrus fragment the size of a business card, possibly dating back to the early second century, within a few years of its author's death.

In a month or so, a much later manuscript of this gospel will be on display. Its story reveals that this beloved gospel has offered comfort to Christians through the ages.

St. Cuthbert's Gospel, a leather-bound, Latin copy of John acquired by the British Library in 2012, is believed to be Europe's oldest surviving book. Written sometime in the late seventh century, this beautifully-preserved segment of God's word was slipped into the coffin of a man regarded as a saint, perhaps by a friend thinking of Jesus' words recorded in John 11:25: "I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live."

The book lay with St. Cuthbert for over 400 years. It was removed when his remains were relocated to Durham Cathedral.

The book, with its red cover, elegant, double vine scroll and pristine condition, will go on display later this month at the British Library as part of an exhibit called "Anglo-Saxon Kingdoms: Art, Word, War." The library has published scanned images of every page of the gospel. If you come to BreakPoint.org, we'll link you to it.

But as beautiful as the book is, it's the "word" inside that has captured the church's attention for centuries.

The "Word," or the "Logos," is central to John's theology. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

With this opening line, John immediately connects Jesus with the Genesis account of creation. When God spoke the cosmos into existence, His speech was a Person—a Person who took on flesh and came to dwell among us.

John's Gospel, treasured today as it was in St. Cuthbert's time, reveals Jesus in ways the other gospels do not. He is "light" and "life," something not only clearly said in John's prologue, but revealed by the miracles and sermons John chose to include.

He is our Good Shepherd. He prays for our unity. He uses His last breaths to ensure the care of his mother. From John we know of Jesus' post-resurrection appearances to Mary Magdalene and Thomas, and of His glorified breakfast of fish with His disciples.

Because John portrays the Jesus who knew and loved him, his gospel has kindled faith and comforted many throughout the centuries. John's Gospel is still handed out in booklet form by evangelists to this day, and its summary of the good news in chapter three, verse 16 is perhaps the most quoted Bible verse in history.

That this 1,300-year-old saint and those who laid him to rest cherished the Gospel of John should inspire in us a profound gratitude, not only for the printed word and how common and even commonplace it's become, but for the way John's word allowed believers across the ages to see, and believe, the glory of the Word made flesh.

Our Christian faith hangs on the crucifixion and r... (show quote)

Denying the trinity is NOT denying "the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus"; that is a non sequitur. An artful deflection from dealing with scripture.

rumitoid

Blade_Runner wrote:

Our Christian faith hangs on the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus. If you deny the divinity of Jesus Christ, you render His crucifixion and resurrection meaningless, your sins cannot be forgiven, and you are not a Christian.

I have read and watched videos of testimonials by former Muslims, Hindus, Mormons and atheists who overwhelmingly agreed that it was the Gospels of Christ that turned them to Jesus. The gospel most mentioned is the Gospel of John.

Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God . . . The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and t***h.

Europe's Oldest Book: John's Gospel and the Power of the Word

By John Stonestreet and G. Shane Morris.
Sunday, October 21, 2018

At some point in your faith journey, somebody probably handed you a copy of the Gospel of John. Turns out Christians have been doing this for a long time.

In 2015, the website Bible Gateway conducted a survey asking participants to choose their favorite book of the Bible. Guess which one came out on top: the Gospel of John.

All Scripture is God-breathed, of course, but John has long been a favorite. It was, after all, written by "the disciple whom Jesus loved," one of the Lord's inner circle within the Twelve, and the only male disciple to have stayed by Christ's side all the way to the cross.

John's Gospel is unique. It's structured differently than the other three Gospels: half the book describes three years of Jesus' life and the other half describes the last week of his life. John interspersed carefully selected miracles—seven of them—with seven "discourses" or sermons. It's flow finally culminates in the resurrection, the greatest miracle, which is followed by a final discourse of sorts to Peter, on the beach, after making them breakfast.

The Gospel of John has been aptly described by biblical scholar Leon Morris and others "as a pool in which a child can wade and an elephant can swim."

It is also the New Testament book for which we have the earliest manuscript evidence, a papyrus fragment the size of a business card, possibly dating back to the early second century, within a few years of its author's death.

In a month or so, a much later manuscript of this gospel will be on display. Its story reveals that this beloved gospel has offered comfort to Christians through the ages.

St. Cuthbert's Gospel, a leather-bound, Latin copy of John acquired by the British Library in 2012, is believed to be Europe's oldest surviving book. Written sometime in the late seventh century, this beautifully-preserved segment of God's word was slipped into the coffin of a man regarded as a saint, perhaps by a friend thinking of Jesus' words recorded in John 11:25: "I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live."

The book lay with St. Cuthbert for over 400 years. It was removed when his remains were relocated to Durham Cathedral.

The book, with its red cover, elegant, double vine scroll and pristine condition, will go on display later this month at the British Library as part of an exhibit called "Anglo-Saxon Kingdoms: Art, Word, War." The library has published scanned images of every page of the gospel. If you come to BreakPoint.org, we'll link you to it.

But as beautiful as the book is, it's the "word" inside that has captured the church's attention for centuries.

The "Word," or the "Logos," is central to John's theology. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

With this opening line, John immediately connects Jesus with the Genesis account of creation. When God spoke the cosmos into existence, His speech was a Person—a Person who took on flesh and came to dwell among us.

John's Gospel, treasured today as it was in St. Cuthbert's time, reveals Jesus in ways the other gospels do not. He is "light" and "life," something not only clearly said in John's prologue, but revealed by the miracles and sermons John chose to include.

He is our Good Shepherd. He prays for our unity. He uses His last breaths to ensure the care of his mother. From John we know of Jesus' post-resurrection appearances to Mary Magdalene and Thomas, and of His glorified breakfast of fish with His disciples.

Because John portrays the Jesus who knew and loved him, his gospel has kindled faith and comforted many throughout the centuries. John's Gospel is still handed out in booklet form by evangelists to this day, and its summary of the good news in chapter three, verse 16 is perhaps the most quoted Bible verse in history.

That this 1,300-year-old saint and those who laid him to rest cherished the Gospel of John should inspire in us a profound gratitude, not only for the printed word and how common and even commonplace it's become, but for the way John's word allowed believers across the ages to see, and believe, the glory of the Word made flesh.

Our Christian faith hangs on the crucifixion and r... (show quote)

My daughter is light and life, in a human sense, to her family and friends: does that mean she and I are one?

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Blade_Runner wrote:

Our Christian faith hangs on the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus. If you deny the divinity of Jesus Christ, you render His crucifixion and resurrection meaningless, your sins cannot be forgiven, and you are not a Christian.

No... Acceptance that Christ is not God in no way renders his crucifixion and resurrection meaningless...

I'm not sure how you're reaching that conclusion....

It certainly doesn't equate with one's sins being unforgiven...

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I have read and watched videos of testimonials by former Muslims, Hindus, Mormons and atheists who overwhelmingly agreed that it was the Gospels of Christ that turned them to Jesus. The gospel most mentioned is the Gospel of John.

Absolutely... The Gospels are sort of the go to for learning about Christ... And John is an excellent Gospel...

As an atheist turned Christian I can attest to the power of the Gospels...

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

rumitoid wrote:

Denying the trinity is NOT denying "the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus"; that is a non sequitur. An artful deflection from dealing with scripture.

Indeed...

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Rose42 wrote:

Christian scholars have examined this book like no other. They acknowledge God has a triune nature.

Except that not all Christian scholars agree concerning the Trinity... If there were 100% agreement then this argument would stand... As it is....

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

rumitoid wrote:

My daughter is light and life, in a human sense, to her family and friends: does that mean she and I are one?

Tommy did an excellent job on John 1...

But I didn't save it... Read it on the IPhone...

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

TexaCan wrote:

I see that your comment was deleted. I asked Rumi ... (show quote)

I made a mistake in my response....
Read your question wrong...
I agree that it was for Rumi to answer...
Hence the deletion...
Apologies...

Rose42

Canuckus Deploracus wrote:

Except that not all Christian scholars agree concerning the Trinity... If there were 100% agreement then this argument would stand... As it is....

What scholars don't? Look at rumi's source - they promote multiple false doctrines not just denial of the trinity. That is a pattern with trinity deniers.

rumitoid

Rose42 wrote:

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I agree with you, and you speak well and with wisdom. I have often relied, perhaps too heavily, on intellectual knowledge and been guilty of spiritual arrogance. But it was all what I felt to be true and no deception. I consider myself discerning: an eye as "a double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart." (Hebrews4:12) I have perhaps thirty or more stories that collaborates this claim.

Dividing soul from spirit only happens with grace: all thought will only confuse. We will take the very human, soul, instinct to survive as God's will and plan. Just one example.