Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

No, I haven't posted this particular message from Billy Graham before, but have quoted him on numerous occasions, and one was a different message on the Holy Spirit a few months ago, as I recall, it was part of a larger posting...

As for losing your mind, you haven't been writing on OPP for enough years, to allow the formation of an opinion on that, on my part.

If I notice anything I'll get back to you.

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

Canuckus,

Not in my wildest imagination could I ever conceive of you 100% agreeing with anyone about anything, purely as a matter of principle.... and if you do, God forbid it should be me with whom you agree,

because I would then have to readjust my entire mode of expression.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Thanks..

That got quite the chuckle

My mother would agree...As would my old pastor...

Rose42

TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA

As if Jews have never been capable or susceptible of falling for idolatry! /sarcasm

"No temptation has taken you except what is common to man..." 1 Corinthians 10:13

The God of the Jews is a God who transcends time, space and matter. You can't transform that God into a material substance for the purpose of dividing "it" into "distinct persons" and claim you are still talking about the God of the Jews (which is the same God as us true "Christ"ians who recognize Jesus as an anointed man like the word "Christ" means and demands). The "Trinity is indeed an "it" since its definitely not a "he" like God is called in the original biblical languages.

By making God out to be material (i.e. "one essence-homoousious- in three persons), with the intended purpose of defining a "compound" being, Trinitarians have created a god into an image made like other creatures. Compound and complex creatures require an architect/designer and a creator (they don't necessarily need to be the same individual). The complexity of our world is evidence of a divine architect and Creator. Christians are very aware of this fact, and thus are without excuse in conceiving of a "complex/compound" "god". Thus, by very fact of the Trinity being compound, it is evident (proof) that "it" was created. And when we ask "who designed and created it?", the answer is plain as day: Trinitarians using pagan and antichristian concepts of polytheism, and Aristotelian metaphysics as their basis. I've previously quoted original sources and scholars acknowledging this FACT.

Thus the Trinity is, itself, a creation, made by man, thus idolatry.

"20For the invisible things of him since the creation of the world are clearly seen, being perceived through the things that are made, even his everlasting power and divinity; that they may be without excuse. 21Because, knowing God, they didn't glorify him as God, neither gave thanks, but became vain in their reasoning, and their senseless heart was darkened. 22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23and traded the glory of the incorruptible God for the likeness of an image of corruptible man, and of birds, and four-footed animals, and creeping things." Romans 1:20-23

I'll get back to the other pagan concepts Trinitarians adopted as the Lord wills.

"G-d is one and indivisible
"IN SHORT… Jews do not believe in a trinity. The Jewish idea of Gd is that Gd is One and Indivisible. Gd cannot be divided up into separate parts, where each part is unequal to each of the other parts, yet somehow they are all one and the same. The Hebrew Scriptures describe Gd as an absolute One...
"IN SHORT… Jews do not believe in a trinity. The Jewish idea of Gd is that Gd is One and Indivisible. Gd cannot be divided up into separate parts, where each part is unequal to each of the other parts, yet somehow they are all one and the same. The Hebrew Scriptures describe Gd as an absolute One…
"Just because there are various manifestations of Gd in the Bible, this does not mean that each manifestation is to be regarded as separate and unequal to Gd, yet somehow at the same time one and the same as Gd. It also does not mean that each manifestation of Gd is to be treated differently. The Hebrew Scriptures tells us that Gd is One.
"Hear, O Israel: The Etrnl is our Gd, the Etrnl is one. [Deuteronomy 6:4]
"But how do we know that the term ‘one’ at the end of the above verse, does not refer to some sort of compound unity, that Gd is made up of different parts that total up to one? The reason is that the word ‘one’ is an adjective. Here it is describing a proper noun, which is the word ‘The Etrnl.’ (In Hebrew, this is a one-word designation.) Most people forget that the word that is here translated as ‘The Etrnl’ is actually a Name, the holiest name for Gd, told to us in Exodus 3:14-15. The English word, ‘Gd,’ is a job description; the four-letter Name of Gd, on the other hand, is Gd’s personal Name. When the word, ‘one’ modifies a personal name, it must mean that this entity is only One, not a compound One, but rather an absolute One.. https://whatjewsbelieve.org/index.php/g-d-is-one-and-indivisible/

“Chapter 45 of Isaiah, using the Tetragrammaton, unequivocally asserts that the Lord alone is the creator and ruler of all things in the universe. The six uses of 'Elohim in this chapter ((verses 3, 5, 14, 15, 18, 21)) show that the term 'Elohim is synonymous with the Tetragrammaton, and that both epithets refer to the absolute one-and-only God. The singularity of God, expressed in the first-person singular in verse 12, clearly shows who is meant by the phrase, "Let us create man in our image": "I, even I, have made the earth, and created man upon it; I, even My hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded."
“As for the Messiah, of him God says, "And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even My servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd. And I the Lord will be their God, and My servant David prince among them; I the Lord have spoken" ((Ezekiel 34:23-24)). The Lord alone will be worshiped as God, while the Messiah, as the servant of God, lives with the people. God and the Messiah are not and cannot be equals, for it is God alone who gives the Messiah power to rule in the capacity of His appointed servant.” https://www.jewsforjudaism.org/knowledge/articles/what-is-the-meaning-of-god-said-qlet-us-make-man-in-our-image

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Nicely done...

Not sure how many here are going to accept your links...

TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA

Thanks my friend!

"13"Enter in by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who enter in by it. 14How narrow is the gate, and restricted is the way that leads to life! Few are those who find it." Matthew 7:13

"1But false prophets also arose among the people, as false teachers will also be among you, who will secretly [i.e. use "oral traditions"] bring in destructive heresies, denying even the Master who bought them [i.e. the Christ who, not being God, actually died for us], bringing on themselves swift destruction. 2Many will follow their immoral ways, and as a result, the way of the truth will be maligned. 3In covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words ["i.e. "Trinity", "triune", "three persons in one essence", "God the Son", "God the Holy Spirit" etc.]: whose sentence now from of old doesn't linger, and their destruction will not slumber." 2 Peter 2:1-3

bahmer

We could always ask Pennylynn what the Jews believe as her father was a rabbi and he was very close to Pennylynn and she spent many hours in his study discussing things like these. Just a thought if anyone is interested.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

I like that idea

Pennylynn is pretty thorough with sources too

Good idea Bahmer...

TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA

You mean the recorded history of the Jews as a nation is to be settled by the opinion of one Jew?

bahmer

You seem to be a mouthpiece of one individual that is preaching a fallacy so why not one Jew?

Rose42

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

Illusions of grandeur?

We are not at the Knesset.

No one on the OPP forum abides by any opinion that contradicts their own knowledge and beliefs.

However, I believe we do each hold out hope for them, believing in the best of all possible scenarios they will adopt our beliefs, whatever they may be.

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

That is, without a doubt, the most insightful comment folded into a question I've encountered today.

TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA

So, have you asked her yet?

A human Jesus is what the whole nation of Israel has always anticipated their Messiah to be. That’s hardly a small crowd.

“Yahweh your God will raise up to you a prophet from the midst of you, of your brothers, like me. You shall listen to him.” Deuteronomy 18:15

“The multitudes said, "This is the prophet, Jesus, from Nazareth of Galilee." Matthew 21:11

“Fear took hold of all, and they glorified God, saying, "A great prophet has arisen among us!" and, "God has visited his people!" Luke 7:16

“He said to them, "What things?" They said to him, "The things concerning Jesus, the Nazarene, who was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people.” Luke 24:19

“Philip found Nathanael, and said to him, "We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, wrote: Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph." John 1:45

“Therefore they asked the blind man again, "What do you say about him, because he opened your eyes?" He said, "He is a prophet." John 9:17

“For Moses indeed said to the fathers, 'The Lord God will raise up a prophet for you from among your brothers, like me. You shall listen to him in all things whatever he says to you.” Acts 3:22-23

“This is that Moses, who said to the children of Israel, 'The Lord our God will raise up a prophet for you from among your brothers, like me.'” Acts 7:37

And just because you haven’t met them, doesn’t mean there aren’t lots of us.