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Oct 11, 2019 14:27:12   #
Lonewolf
 
look who met 3 weeks ago before trump tossed the kurds under the bus

now tell me why trumps not a t*****r



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Oct 11, 2019 14:35:36   #
Radiance3
 
Lonewolf wrote:
look who met 3 weeks ago before trump tossed the kurds under the bus

now tell me why trumps not a t*****r

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Wrong again loneywolf. Your pessimistic assessment of the pull out of Syria will not prevail. The president has reviewed options to stop the Turks who violated the agreement with the president during poll out from Syria.

The president is preparing to apply economic sanctions against Turkey until it subsides its attacks upon the Kurds. They will become like Iran, unless they behave.

So, the is the next strategy the president has put on the table. I think it is more effected than bombing each other with nuclear arsenals, and k*****g innocent people.
The Kurds will be vindicated. US still cares about the Kurds.

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Oct 11, 2019 14:42:12   #
moldyoldy
 
They got together and then told trump what to do.

Joint Statement by the President of the Islamic Republic of Iran, the President of the Russian Federation and the President of the Republic of Turkey
September 16, 2019
Ankara, 16 September 2019
President of the Islamic Republic of Iran H.E. Hassan Rouhani, President of the Russian Federation H.E. Vladimir Putin and President of the Republic of Turkey H.E. Recep Tayyip Erdoğan gathered in Ankara on 16 September 2019 for a Tripartite Summit.
The Presidents:
1. Discussed the current situation on the ground in Syria, reviewed the developments following their last meeting in Sochi on 14 February 2019 and reiterated their determination to enhance the trilateral coordination in light of their agreements.
2. Emphasized their strong commitment to the sovereignty, independence, unity and territorial integrity of the Syrian Arab Republic as well as to the purposes and principles of the UN Charter. They highlighted that these principles should be universally respected and that no actions, no matter by whom they were undertaken, should undermine them.
3. Reaffirmed in this regard the necessity to respect universally recognized international legal decisions, including those provisions of the relevant UN resolutions rejecting the occupation of Syrian Golan, first and foremost UN Security Council Resolution 497 and thus condemned the decision of the US Administration on the occupied Syrian Golan, which constitutes a grave violation of international law and threatens regional peace and security. They consider Israeli military attacks in Syria as destabilizing and violating the sovereignty and territorial integrity of this country and intensifying the tension in the region.
4. Discussed the situation in the north-east of Syria, emphasized that security and stability in this region can only be achieved on the basis of respect for the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the country and agreed to coordinate their efforts to this end.
5. Rejected in this regard all attempts to create new realities on the ground under the pretext of combating terrorism, including illegitimate self-rule initiatives, and expressed their determination to stand against separatist agendas aimed at undermining the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Syria as well as threatening the national security of neighboring countries.
6. Reviewed in detail the situation in the Idlib de-escalation area and underscored the necessity to respect calm on the ground by fully implementing all agreements on Idlib, first and foremost the Memorandum of 17 September 2018. They are alarmed about the risk of further deterioration of the humanitarian situation in and around the area as a result of continued escalation and agreed to take concrete steps to reduce violations. They expressed serious concern with the increased presence of the terrorist organization “Hayat Tahrir al-Sham” in the area and reaffirmed the determination to continue cooperation in order to ultimately eliminate DAESH/ISIL, Al-Nusra Front and all other individuals, groups, undertakings and entities associated with Al-Qaeda or DAESH/ISIL, and other terrorist groups, as designated by the UN Security Council. While deploring civilian casualties and displacement of people, they agreed to undertake concrete measures, based on the previous agreements, to ensure the protection of the civilian population in accordance with the international humanitarian law as well as the safety and security of the military personnel of the guarantors within and outside the Idlib de-escalation area.
7. Reaffirmed their conviction that there could be no military solution to the Syrian conflict and that it could only be resolved through the Syrian-led and Syrian-owned, UN-facilitated political process in line with the UN Security Council Resolution 2254.
8. Expressed their satisfaction with the successful completion of the work on the composition of the Constitutional Committee and reiterated their support to the efforts of the UN Secretary-General’s Special Envoy for Syria Geir O. Pedersen to achieve agreement between the Syrian parties on the rules of procedure. They reaffirmed their readiness to facilitate the launching of the Constitutional Committee in Geneva in accordance with the decisions of the Syrian National Dialogue Congress in Sochi.
9. Emphasized the need to increase humanitarian assistance to all Syrians throughout the country without preconditions. In order to alleviate the suffering of the Syrians and support the progress in the process of the political settlement, they called upon members of the international community, the United Nations and its humanitarian agencies to undertake greater responsibility in burden-sharing and to enhance their assistance to Syria, inter alia by developing early recovery projects, including the restoration of basic infrastructure assets – water and power supply facilities, schools and hospitals as well as the humanitarian mine action.
10. Highlighted the need to facilitate safe and voluntary return of refugees and internally displaced persons (IDPs) to their original places of residence in Syria, ensuring their right to return and right to be supported. In this regard, they called upon the international community to provide appropriate contributions for their resettlement and normal life, and reaffirmed their readiness to continue interaction with all relevant parties, including the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) and other specialized international agencies. They agreed to coordinate their initiatives to organize international conferences on the humanitarian assistance to Syria and the return of Syrian refugees.
11. Welcomed the participation of Iraq and Lebanon as new observers of the Astana format.
12. In addition to the Syrian issue, discussed recent regional and international developments as well as their collaboration in different fields and reiterated their decision to promote joint economic and commercial cooperation.
13. Decided to hold the next Tripartite Summit in the Islamic Republic of Iran upon the invitation of President of the Islamic Republic of Iran H.E. Hassan Rouhani.
14. The Presidents of the Islamic Republic of Iran and the Russian Federation expressed their sincere gratitude to President of the Republic of Turkey H.E. Recep Tayyip Erdoğan for hosting the Tripartite Summit in Ankara.
See also
Trilateral summit on settlement in Syria
September 16, 2019

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Oct 11, 2019 16:22:01   #
Seth
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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Wrong again loneywolf. Your pessimistic assessment of the pull out of Syria will not prevail. The president has reviewed options to stop the Turks who violated the agreement with the president during poll out from Syria.

The president is preparing to apply economic sanctions against Turkey until it subsides its attacks upon the Kurds. They will become like Iran, unless they behave.

So, the is the next strategy the president has put on the table. I think it is more effected than bombing each other with nuclear arsenals, and k*****g innocent people.
The Kurds will be vindicated. US still cares about the Kurds.
=================== br Wrong again loneywolf. Your... (show quote)


Yup.

Mr. Wolf prefers the Obama Method©, which generally wears out the knees on a good pair of trousers, and afterward the dictators or terrorists end up doing what they were going to do anyway, with B. Hussein Obama's blessing.

The Obama Method© is essentially reverse negotiation, which only proves to demonstrate why Kenya is not a world power.

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Oct 11, 2019 17:08:54   #
Lonewolf
 
Seth wrote:
Yup.

Mr. Wolf prefers the Obama Method©, which generally wears out the knees on a good pair of trousers, and afterward the dictators or terrorists end up doing what they were going to do anyway, with B. Hussein Obama's blessing.

The Obama Method© is essentially reverse negotiation, which only proves to demonstrate why Kenya is not a world power.


trumps a bad joke and real world leaders know it

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Oct 11, 2019 17:22:53   #
Seth
 
Lonewolf wrote:
trumps a bad joke and real world leaders know it


Which is why he always eventually gets his way when dealing with them, right?

Always.

The universe you live in must be a very sad place, Mr. Wolf.

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Oct 11, 2019 17:55:11   #
Radiance3
 
moldyoldy wrote:
They got together and then told trump what to do.

Joint Statement by the President of the Islamic Republic of Iran, the President of the Russian Federation and the President of the Republic of Turkey
September 16, 2019
Ankara, 16 September 2019
President of the Islamic Republic of Iran H.E. Hassan Rouhani, President of the Russian Federation H.E. Vladimir Putin and President of the Republic of Turkey H.E. Recep Tayyip Erdoğan gathered in Ankara on 16 September 2019 for a Tripartite Summit.
The Presidents:
1. Discussed the current situation on the ground in Syria, reviewed the developments following their last meeting in Sochi on 14 February 2019 and reiterated their determination to enhance the trilateral coordination in light of their agreements.
2. Emphasized their strong commitment to the sovereignty, independence, unity and territorial integrity of the Syrian Arab Republic as well as to the purposes and principles of the UN Charter. They highlighted that these principles should be universally respected and that no actions, no matter by whom they were undertaken, should undermine them.
3. Reaffirmed in this regard the necessity to respect universally recognized international legal decisions, including those provisions of the relevant UN resolutions rejecting the occupation of Syrian Golan, first and foremost UN Security Council Resolution 497 and thus condemned the decision of the US Administration on the occupied Syrian Golan, which constitutes a grave violation of international law and threatens regional peace and security. They consider Israeli military attacks in Syria as destabilizing and violating the sovereignty and territorial integrity of this country and intensifying the tension in the region.
4. Discussed the situation in the north-east of Syria, emphasized that security and stability in this region can only be achieved on the basis of respect for the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the country and agreed to coordinate their efforts to this end.
5. Rejected in this regard all attempts to create new realities on the ground under the pretext of combating terrorism, including illegitimate self-rule initiatives, and expressed their determination to stand against separatist agendas aimed at undermining the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Syria as well as threatening the national security of neighboring countries.
6. Reviewed in detail the situation in the Idlib de-escalation area and underscored the necessity to respect calm on the ground by fully implementing all agreements on Idlib, first and foremost the Memorandum of 17 September 2018. They are alarmed about the risk of further deterioration of the humanitarian situation in and around the area as a result of continued escalation and agreed to take concrete steps to reduce violations. They expressed serious concern with the increased presence of the terrorist organization “Hayat Tahrir al-Sham” in the area and reaffirmed the determination to continue cooperation in order to ultimately eliminate DAESH/ISIL, Al-Nusra Front and all other individuals, groups, undertakings and entities associated with Al-Qaeda or DAESH/ISIL, and other terrorist groups, as designated by the UN Security Council. While deploring civilian casualties and displacement of people, they agreed to undertake concrete measures, based on the previous agreements, to ensure the protection of the civilian population in accordance with the international humanitarian law as well as the safety and security of the military personnel of the guarantors within and outside the Idlib de-escalation area.
7. Reaffirmed their conviction that there could be no military solution to the Syrian conflict and that it could only be resolved through the Syrian-led and Syrian-owned, UN-facilitated political process in line with the UN Security Council Resolution 2254.
8. Expressed their satisfaction with the successful completion of the work on the composition of the Constitutional Committee and reiterated their support to the efforts of the UN Secretary-General’s Special Envoy for Syria Geir O. Pedersen to achieve agreement between the Syrian parties on the rules of procedure. They reaffirmed their readiness to facilitate the launching of the Constitutional Committee in Geneva in accordance with the decisions of the Syrian National Dialogue Congress in Sochi.
9. Emphasized the need to increase humanitarian assistance to all Syrians throughout the country without preconditions. In order to alleviate the suffering of the Syrians and support the progress in the process of the political settlement, they called upon members of the international community, the United Nations and its humanitarian agencies to undertake greater responsibility in burden-sharing and to enhance their assistance to Syria, inter alia by developing early recovery projects, including the restoration of basic infrastructure assets – water and power supply facilities, schools and hospitals as well as the humanitarian mine action.
10. Highlighted the need to facilitate safe and voluntary return of refugees and internally displaced persons (IDPs) to their original places of residence in Syria, ensuring their right to return and right to be supported. In this regard, they called upon the international community to provide appropriate contributions for their resettlement and normal life, and reaffirmed their readiness to continue interaction with all relevant parties, including the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) and other specialized international agencies. They agreed to coordinate their initiatives to organize international conferences on the humanitarian assistance to Syria and the return of Syrian refugees.
11. Welcomed the participation of Iraq and Lebanon as new observers of the Astana format.
12. In addition to the Syrian issue, discussed recent regional and international developments as well as their collaboration in different fields and reiterated their decision to promote joint economic and commercial cooperation.
13. Decided to hold the next Tripartite Summit in the Islamic Republic of Iran upon the invitation of President of the Islamic Republic of Iran H.E. Hassan Rouhani.
14. The Presidents of the Islamic Republic of Iran and the Russian Federation expressed their sincere gratitude to President of the Republic of Turkey H.E. Recep Tayyip Erdoğan for hosting the Tripartite Summit in Ankara.
See also
Trilateral summit on settlement in Syria
September 16, 2019
They got together and then told trump what to do. ... (show quote)

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The incursions of Iran, Russia, and Turkey in Syria, is illegal and the UN must not allow such dominance and if it does, must not prevail.

The UN is basically a treacherous union with 57 Muslim countries participating without contributing to the funding. US pays the most of the budget of the UN ,2789% which is equal to $13,945 billion annually. UN is a worthless sucker and this t*****r must not be allowed in the US. Most of the useless countries so called ambassadors are spying using the US facilities.

The Golan Heights belong to Israel and Syria must never be allowed to encroach. Reasons why Iran wants to interfere with Syria is to take hold of the Golan Heights and to destroy Israel. That must never be allowed and US is protecting that.

The Muslims under Islam is the most troublesome people all over the world.
That is why the Middle East the most violent and problematic country in the world.
Syria must stay put, and never be allowed to take an inch over the Golan Heights. Iran wanted to take it because its goal is destroying Israel. It is not going to happen
under president Trump.

ISIS was the project of Obama's JV Team, and spread to Syria from Iraq after Barack pulled out the US security forces in 2011. From there it got very strong because of the US military equipment left in Iraq. Then ISIS spread all over and spread to Syria.

ISIS was the BARACK Obama's JV Team and religion of peace.

The Turks will eventually suffer taking over the Syrian and fighting with the Kurds. That was a violation of the US pullout agreement. Now that Turks violated the US pull out agreement, sanctions are always on the table to implement against Turkey.
They will suffer the same faith with Iran under strict sanction by the US.

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Oct 11, 2019 18:39:46   #
Lonewolf
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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The incursions of Iran, Russia, and Turkey in Syria, is illegal and the UN must not allow such dominance and if it does, must not prevail.

The UN is basically a treacherous union with 57 Muslim countries participating without contributing to the funding. US pays the most of the budget of the UN ,2789% which is equal to $13,945 billion annually. UN is a worthless sucker and this t*****r must not be allowed in the US. Most of the useless countries so called ambassadors are spying using the US facilities.

The Golan Heights belong to Israel and Syria must never be allowed to encroach. Reasons why Iran wants to interfere with Syria is to take hold of the Golan Heights and to destroy Israel. That must never be allowed and US is protecting that.

The Muslims under Islam is the most troublesome people all over the world.
That is why the Middle East the most violent and problematic country in the world.
Syria must stay put, and never be allowed to take an inch over the Golan Heights. Iran wanted to take it because its goal is destroying Israel. It is not going to happen
under president Trump.

ISIS was the project of Obama's JV Team, and spread to Syria from Iraq after Barack pulled out the US security forces in 2011. From there it got very strong because of the US military equipment left in Iraq. Then ISIS spread all over and spread to Syria.

ISIS was the BARACK Obama's JV Team and religion of peace.

The Turks will eventually suffer taking over the Syrian and fighting with the Kurds. That was a violation of the US pullout agreement. Now that Turks violated the US pull out agreement, sanctions are always on the table to implement against Turkey.
They will suffer the same faith with Iran under strict sanction by the US.
================= br The incursions of Iran, Russi... (show quote)


trump just ordered it

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Oct 11, 2019 20:01:29   #
Radiance3
 
Lonewolf wrote:
trump just ordered it


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Ordered what? You fabricate stories out of your imagination.

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Oct 11, 2019 21:12:38   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Lonewolf wrote:
look who met 3 weeks ago before trump tossed the kurds under the bus

now tell me why trumps not a t*****r
You are truly pathetic, ya know that? You are cheerleading for the leaders of three nations who are not friends of the United States. One of those nations is a mortal enemy.

Rouhani would have you beheaded in a Tehran minute. Putin and Erdoğan would wrap you in chains and throw you in a gulag. The only man on earth who could save your sorry ass is president Trump.

But, let's see what really has happened since Trump made the decision to pull back the troops.

The Iran/Russia/Turkey alliance was known as the Astana Group. This group has been working toward conflict resolution in Syria through the framework of the Russia-led Syrian constitutional committee, disagreements among them have prevented serious progress. As Turkey stages its incursion into territory previously held by U.S.-allied Kurdish forces, Russia’s reaction has been rooted in a mix of implicit apprehension and explicit platitudes about integrity and restraint. The Kremlin’s frustrations will grow as Turkey expands its attacks in a way that further risks the constitutional committee’s progress and jeopardizes Bashar al-Assad’s consolidation of power.

If sectarianism flares up widely again in the region, the tentative signs of rapprochement between Iran and Saudi Arabia may well be abandoned, with Riyadh and other Sunni powers, chief among them Turkey, reluctantly hedging the Islamic State as a defender of Sunni interests, if a problematic one. IOW, Turkey (Erdogan) sees ISIS as an ally.

Iran is a hard core Shia regime. The Shia and Sunnis have been k*****g each other since Islam was founded 1400 years ago. Do you see the underlying conflict in this mess?

Trump's decision has fractured the Astana Group alliance. It is falling apart.


Now, genius, please explain your excuse for accusing president Trump of treason. How is a decision by an American president that has thrown a major monkey wrench into an alliance of America's enemies an act of treason? Please be specific,

I swear, I think you are just trying to score a higher number of posts than the l*****t madman, Raylan Wolfe, who, by the way, is no longer here. If that is true, I suggest you rethink your attack plans.

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Oct 11, 2019 21:26:33   #
Seth
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
You are truly pathetic, ya know that? You are cheerleading for the leaders of three nations who not friends of the United States. One of those nations is a mortal enemy.

Rouhani would have you beheaded in a Tehran minute. Putin and Erdoğan would wrap you in chains and throw you in a gulag. The only man on earth who could save your sorry ass is president Trump.

But, let's see what really has happened since Trump made the decision to pull back the troops.

The Iran/Russia/Turkey alliance was known as the Astana Group. This group has been working toward conflict resolution in Syria through the framework of the Russia-led Syrian constitutional committee, disagreements among them have prevented serious progress. As Turkey stages its incursion into territory previously held by U.S.-allied Kurdish forces, Russia’s reaction has been rooted in a mix of implicit apprehension and explicit platitudes about integrity and restraint. The Kremlin’s frustrations will grow as Turkey expands its attacks in a way that further risks the constitutional committee’s progress and jeopardizes Bashar al-Assad’s consolidation of power.

If sectarianism flares up widely again in the region, the tentative signs of rapprochement between Iran and Saudi Arabia may well be abandoned, with Riyadh and other Sunni powers, chief among them Turkey, reluctantly hedging the Islamic State as a defender of Sunni interests, if a problematic one. IOW, Turkey (Erdogan) sees ISIS as an ally.

Iran is a hard core Shia regime. The Shia and Sunnis have been k*****g each other since Islam was founded 1400 years ago. Do you see the underlying conflict in this mess?

Trump's decision has fractured the Astana Group alliance. It is falling apart.


Now, genius, please explain your excuse for accusing president Trump of treason. How is a decision by an American president that has thrown a major monkey wrench into an alliance of America's enemies an act of treason? Please be specific,

I swear, I think you are just trying score a higher number of posts than the l*****t madman, Raylan Wolfe, who, by the way, is no longer here. If that is true, I suggest you rethink your attack plans.
You are truly pathetic, ya know that? You are chee... (show quote)


Bravo!!!!

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Oct 11, 2019 22:36:28   #
Lonewolf
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
You are truly pathetic, ya know that? You are cheerleading for the leaders of three nations who are not friends of the United States. One of those nations is a mortal enemy.

Rouhani would have you beheaded in a Tehran minute. Putin and Erdoğan would wrap you in chains and throw you in a gulag. The only man on earth who could save your sorry ass is president Trump.

But, let's see what really has happened since Trump made the decision to pull back the troops.

The Iran/Russia/Turkey alliance was known as the Astana Group. This group has been working toward conflict resolution in Syria through the framework of the Russia-led Syrian constitutional committee, disagreements among them have prevented serious progress. As Turkey stages its incursion into territory previously held by U.S.-allied Kurdish forces, Russia’s reaction has been rooted in a mix of implicit apprehension and explicit platitudes about integrity and restraint. The Kremlin’s frustrations will grow as Turkey expands its attacks in a way that further risks the constitutional committee’s progress and jeopardizes Bashar al-Assad’s consolidation of power.

If sectarianism flares up widely again in the region, the tentative signs of rapprochement between Iran and Saudi Arabia may well be abandoned, with Riyadh and other Sunni powers, chief among them Turkey, reluctantly hedging the Islamic State as a defender of Sunni interests, if a problematic one. IOW, Turkey (Erdogan) sees ISIS as an ally.

Iran is a hard core Shia regime. The Shia and Sunnis have been k*****g each other since Islam was founded 1400 years ago. Do you see the underlying conflict in this mess?

Trump's decision has fractured the Astana Group alliance. It is falling apart.


Now, genius, please explain your excuse for accusing president Trump of treason. How is a decision by an American president that has thrown a major monkey wrench into an alliance of America's enemies an act of treason? Please be specific,

I swear, I think you are just trying to score a higher number of posts than the l*****t madman, Raylan Wolfe, who, by the way, is no longer here. If that is true, I suggest you rethink your attack plans.
You are truly pathetic, ya know that? You are chee... (show quote)

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Oct 11, 2019 22:39:59   #
Lonewolf
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
You are truly pathetic, ya know that? You are cheerleading for the leaders of three nations who are not friends of the United States. One of those nations is a mortal enemy.

Rouhani would have you beheaded in a Tehran minute. Putin and Erdoğan would wrap you in chains and throw you in a gulag. The only man on earth who could save your sorry ass is president Trump.

But, let's see what really has happened since Trump made the decision to pull back the troops.

The Iran/Russia/Turkey alliance was known as the Astana Group. This group has been working toward conflict resolution in Syria through the framework of the Russia-led Syrian constitutional committee, disagreements among them have prevented serious progress. As Turkey stages its incursion into territory previously held by U.S.-allied Kurdish forces, Russia’s reaction has been rooted in a mix of implicit apprehension and explicit platitudes about integrity and restraint. The Kremlin’s frustrations will grow as Turkey expands its attacks in a way that further risks the constitutional committee’s progress and jeopardizes Bashar al-Assad’s consolidation of power.

If sectarianism flares up widely again in the region, the tentative signs of rapprochement between Iran and Saudi Arabia may well be abandoned, with Riyadh and other Sunni powers, chief among them Turkey, reluctantly hedging the Islamic State as a defender of Sunni interests, if a problematic one. IOW, Turkey (Erdogan) sees ISIS as an ally.

Iran is a hard core Shia regime. The Shia and Sunnis have been k*****g each other since Islam was founded 1400 years ago. Do you see the underlying conflict in this mess?

Trump's decision has fractured the Astana Group alliance. It is falling apart.


Now, genius, please explain your excuse for accusing president Trump of treason. How is a decision by an American president that has thrown a major monkey wrench into an alliance of America's enemies an act of treason? Please be specific,

I swear, I think you are just trying to score a higher number of posts than the l*****t madman, Raylan Wolfe, who, by the way, is no longer here. If that is true, I suggest you rethink your attack plans.
You are truly pathetic, ya know that? You are chee... (show quote)


Now who just gave the turks permission to k**l off the kurds TRUMP
And who has most to gain putin you sure as hell don't think turkey will take out asade

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Oct 11, 2019 22:44:55   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Lonewolf wrote:
Now who just gave the turks permission to k**l off the kurds TRUMP
And who has most to gain putin you sure as hell don't think turkey will take out asade

Trump did not give the Turks permission to do anything, he gave permission to some America troops to get their asses out of a thoroughly f--ked up mess. In that god awful situation, no one is going to gain a damned thing. It's a lose/lose/lost proposition.

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Oct 11, 2019 22:52:09   #
Lonewolf
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Trump did not give the Turks permission to do anything, he gave permission to some America troops to get their asses out of a thoroughly f--ked up mess. In that god awful situation, no one is going to gain a damned thing. It's a lose/lose/lost proposition.


Thats why we should of pulled out 17 years ago

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