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Oct 9, 2019 22:48:04   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
eagleye13 wrote:
If you really want to study the bible, I suggest Shepherd's Chapel in Gravette, Arkansas. They have an extensive tape ministry.
Go to You Tube also.


Both are difficult options from northern China

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Oct 9, 2019 22:55:10   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Both are difficult options from northern China


Go to You Tube, but stay out of prison. Big Brother may be watching.

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Oct 10, 2019 00:10:37   #
waltmoreno
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Agreed...

By why was sex sinful?


The sex was sinful because God explicitly commanded Adam not to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. And Adam passed God's order to Eve. Eve disobeyed God's command and had sex with Satan.

If you want to find out more about this stuff and for a really satisfying interpretation of the Bible, unlike what any other churches offer, follow eagleye's advice and contact Shepherd's Chapel. They have a daily bible study. I've even got lots of their tapes on different books of the Bible and tapes on various topics.

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Oct 10, 2019 00:23:13   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
I've seen most every Bible translation in major Bible stores, and have never seen one that ever even insinuated that Eve had sex with Satan.

As the famous Theologian, Francis Schaeffer said, "God has spoken, and he does not stutter."

If the Holy Spirit had wanted to say that Eve had sex with a serpent, he would have inspired Moses to write it down that way.

It was their disobedience that was the sin. They were told not to eat the fruit, and did so anyway. They disobeyed God.

Jesus said He had ever taught openly, and in secret had said nothing, so it's not decipherable from a "secret code."

John 18:20 "Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing."



waltmoreno wrote:
The sex was sinful because God explicitly commanded Adam not to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. And Adam passed God's order to Eve. Eve disobeyed God's command and had sex with Satan.

If you want to find out more about this stuff and for a really satisfying interpretation of the Bible, unlike what any other churches offer, follow eagleye's advice and contact Shepherd's Chapel. They have a daily bible study. I've even got lots of their tapes on different books of the Bible and tapes on various topics.
The sex was sinful because God explicitly commande... (show quote)

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Oct 10, 2019 00:58:28   #
waltmoreno
 
Zemirah wrote:
I've seen most every Bible translation in major Bible stores, and have never seen one that ever even insinuated that Eve had sex with Satan.

As the famous Theologian, Francis Schaeffer said, "God has spoken, and he does not stutter."

If the Holy Spirit had wanted to say that Eve had sex with a serpent, he would have inspired Moses to write it down that way.

It was their disobedience that was the sin. They were told not to eat the fruit, and did so anyway. They disobeyed God.

Jesus said He had ever taught openly, and in secret had said nothing, so it's not decipherable from a "secret code."

John 18:20 "Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing."
I've seen most every Bible translation in major Bi... (show quote)


Even Jesus himself spoke in parables. In large part so their meanings could be understood by earnest seekers but hidden from all others. Or as Matt 13:13 puts it, "I speak to them in parables: because they seeing, see not; and hearing, hear not, neither do they understand."
It's precisely because Shepherds Chapel's interpretations are unorthodox that I was drawn to them. But they satisfy. You can choose to believe the standard fairy tale about Adam and Eve eating an apple, but it's wholly unsatisfying to me. All history, no mystery.

On the other hand, how do you explain John 8:44, where Jesus tells the Pharisees,
"You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning,... for he is a liar and the father of it."


I could go on about numerous other unorthodox interpretations that are confirmed in other passages in the Bible but that's not my point.

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Oct 10, 2019 01:27:33   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
John 8:44
You people are from your father the devil, and you want to do what your father desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not uphold the truth, because there is no truth in him. Whenever he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, because he is a liar and the father of lies.

There is no mystery in John 8:44.

Followers of Satan will be liars and murderers.

The parables of Jesus are understandable. He does not "bait and switch" between eating a piece of fruit and having sex with a serpent.

Puffing oneself up with self-importance, believing one has "secret knowledge" which others do not is the ancient error of Gnosticism.

Paul said in Colossians 1:25, "I became its servant by the commission God gave me to fully proclaim to you the word of God,
26the mystery that was hidden for ages and generations but is now revealed to His saints,
27To them God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.…

Romans 16:25
Now to Him who is able to strengthen you by my gospel and by the proclamation of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery concealed for ages past,

The gospel of Jesus Christ was that glorious mystery, now fully revealed to all seekers.

It is being a historical faith that differentiates Christianity from the world's religions.

I'm more than satisfied with the plain old Word of God, in all its spectacular glory.



waltmoreno wrote:
Even Jesus himself spoke in parables. In large part so their meanings could be understood by earnest seekers but hidden from all others. Or as Matt 13:13 puts it, "I speak to them in parables: because they seeing, see not; and hearing, hear not, neither do they understand."
It's precisely because Shepherds Chapel's interpretations are unorthodox that I was drawn to them. But they satisfy. You can choose to believe the standard fairy tale about Adam and Eve eating an apple, but it's wholly unsatisfying to me. All history, no mystery.

On the other hand, how do you explain John 8:44, where Jesus tells the Pharisees,
"You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning,... for he is a liar and the father of it."


I could go on about numerous other unorthodox interpretations that are confirmed in other passages in the Bible but that's not my point.
Even Jesus himself spoke in parables. In large par... (show quote)

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Oct 10, 2019 01:38:52   #
waltmoreno
 
Zemirah wrote:
John 8:44
You people are from your father the devil, and you want to do what your father desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not uphold the truth, because there is no truth in him. Whenever he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, because he is a liar and the father of lies.

There is no mystery in John 8:44.

Followers of Satan will be liars and murderers.

The parables of Jesus are understandable. He does not "bait and switch" between eating a piece of fruit and having sex with a serpent.

Puffing oneself up with self-importance, believing one has "secret knowledge" which others do not is the ancient error of Gnosticism.

Paul said in Colossians 1:25, "I became its servant by the commission God gave me to fully proclaim to you the word of God,
26the mystery that was hidden for ages and generations but is now revealed to His saints,
27To them God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.…

Romans 16:25
Now to Him who is able to strengthen you by my gospel and by the proclamation of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery concealed for ages past,

The gospel of Jesus Christ was that glorious mystery, now fully revealed to all seekers.

It is being a historical faith that differentiates Christianity from the world's religions.

I'm more than satisfied with the plain old Word of God, in all its spectacular glory.
John 8:44 br You people are from your father the d... (show quote)


Well to take this one further step, Genesis doesn't actually talk about eating fruit but eating from the Tree of Life and not eating from the Tree of knowledge of good and evil. What does this mean to you?

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Oct 10, 2019 01:59:55   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
At that time, Jesus was known as "the angel of the Lord," or "the word of God" when He interacted with humanity.

He had not yet been born of a woman, to become fully God and fully man, nor had he yet shed His blood on the cross to pay the sin debt owed for all sins that would be committed (still future) except for Adam's and Eve's sin which had just occurred.

You're ahead of the plan.


Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Now I'm confused...
Why didn't God want Adam and Eve to know Jesus?

Genesis
3:22
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
3:23
Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
3:24
So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
Now I'm confused... br Why didn't God want Adam an... (show quote)

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Oct 10, 2019 07:47:38   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Zemirah wrote:
I've seen most every Bible translation in major Bible stores, and have never seen one that ever even insinuated that Eve had sex with Satan.

As the famous Theologian, Francis Schaeffer said, "God has spoken, and he does not stutter."

If the Holy Spirit had wanted to say that Eve had sex with a serpent, he would have inspired Moses to write it down that way.

It was their disobedience that was the sin. They were told not to eat the fruit, and did so anyway. They disobeyed God.

Jesus said He had ever taught openly, and in secret had said nothing, so it's not decipherable from a "secret code."

John 18:20 "Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing."
I've seen most every Bible translation in major Bi... (show quote)


Zemirah
You should try some further study.

"If the Holy Spirit had wanted to say that Eve had sex with a serpent, he would have inspired Moses to write it down that way." - Zemirah

Remember, God/his prophets spoke in parables, and used types and shadows.

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Oct 10, 2019 07:53:40   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Zemirah wrote:
John 8:44
You people are from your father the devil, and you want to do what your father desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not uphold the truth, because there is no truth in him. Whenever he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, because he is a liar and the father of lies.

There is no mystery in John 8:44.

Followers of Satan will be liars and murderers.

The parables of Jesus are understandable. He does not "bait and switch" between eating a piece of fruit and having sex with a serpent.

Puffing oneself up with self-importance, believing one has "secret knowledge" which others do not is the ancient error of Gnosticism.

Paul said in Colossians 1:25, "I became its servant by the commission God gave me to fully proclaim to you the word of God,
26the mystery that was hidden for ages and generations but is now revealed to His saints,
27To them God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.…

Romans 16:25
Now to Him who is able to strengthen you by my gospel and by the proclamation of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery concealed for ages past,

The gospel of Jesus Christ was that glorious mystery, now fully revealed to all seekers.

It is being a historical faith that differentiates Christianity from the world's religions.

I'm more than satisfied with the plain old Word of God, in all its spectacular glory.
John 8:44 br You people are from your father the d... (show quote)


"Puffing oneself up with self-importance, believing one has "secret knowledge" which others do not is the ancient error of Gnosticism." - Zemeriah

IMO; claiming that on others, exposes you as too fixed to learn.
Are you a preacher, that has a "doctrine" you can't free yourself from?
Just a thought.

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Oct 10, 2019 09:07:47   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
It means that you had better know your trees, - because your life is on the line.

Obviously, Adam was not expected to eat the bark, leaves or even mulched wood... Only the fruit of the tree is palatable.


Genesis 2:16-18: "And the LORD God commanded him, "You may eat freely from every tree of the garden, but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; for in the day that you eat of it, you will surely die."
The LORD God also said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make for him a suitable helper."…




waltmoreno wrote:
Well to take this one further step, Genesis doesn't actually talk about eating fruit but eating from the Tree of Life and not eating from the Tree of knowledge of good and evil. What does this mean to you?

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Oct 10, 2019 09:15:45   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Zemirah wrote:
It means that you had better know your trees, - because your life is on the line.

Obviously, Adam was not expected to eat the bark, leaves or even mulched wood... Only the fruit of the tree is palatable.


Genesis 2:16-18: "And the LORD God commanded him, "You may eat freely from every tree of the garden, but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; for in the day that you eat of it, you will surely die."
The LORD God also said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make for him a suitable helper."…
It means that you had better know your trees, - be... (show quote)


God uses "trees" as symbolic. a study in itself.
the Cedars of Lebenon. Cedar is Israelites.
Other than Lebanon (Cedars no longer there)
Are on the West Coast (California and Oregon).

A lot of prophesy on that.

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Oct 10, 2019 09:17:55   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
I have a personal library of some six thousand books, and counting, eagleeye13, and when I say I have them, that means I have read them.

I've been studying all my life, because I enjoy it, and I love the Word of God.

The types and shadows were explained two thousand years ago, when the Son of God was born of Mary, a Jewish maiden, i.e., a virgin.

We have now a Great Commission from Jesus Christ to reach all the world with His gospel.

If you find that too simple, I'd recommend a book on Astrophysics.



eagleye13 wrote:
Zemirah
You should try some further study.

"If the Holy Spirit had wanted to say that Eve had sex with a serpent, he would have inspired Moses to write it down that way." - Zemirah

Remember, God/his prophets spoke in parables, and used types and shadows.

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Oct 10, 2019 09:28:32   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Zemirah wrote:
I have a personal library of some six thousand books, and counting, eagleeye13, and when I say I have them, that means I have read them.

I've been studying all my life, because I enjoy it, and I love the Word of God.

The types and shadows were explained two thousand years ago, when the Son of God was born of Mary, a Jewish maiden, i.e., a virgin.

We have now a Great Commission from Jesus Christ to reach all the world with His gospel.

If you find that too simple, I'd recommend a book on Astrophysics.
I have a personal library of some six thousand boo... (show quote)


"The types and shadows were explained two thousand years ago, when the Son of God was born of Mary, a Jewish maiden, i.e., a virgin."
Why are you not precice on this oh great studier.

Mary was Hebrew from the line of David if I recall. A prophesy fullfilled.
Her blood had to be pure to be acceptable to be the Mother of Jesus.

BTW; Jesus/Yashau fulfilled all of the prophesies regarding the Messiah.

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Oct 10, 2019 09:31:48   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
We have gone off on a tangent.
My desire is for people to study the beginning of Genesis in detail.
So; a restart is in order;
Shepherd's Chapel - Pastor Arnold Murray
https://youtu.be/CHSkqMGjA0U?list=PLiA6kuKpn0D2oLJAZhd5EExlHl-BfRsFc

Genesis Lecture 02 - vs 1:3 - 1:31 / Shepherd's Chapel / Pastor Arnold Murray
https://youtu.be/xK_6X0YxiOs?list=PLiA6kuKpn0D2oLJAZhd5EExlHl-BfRsFc

Genesis Lecture 03 - vs 2:1 - 2:25 / Shepherd's Chapel / Pastor Arnold Murray

https://youtu.be/NFCQiTlk4BA?list=PLiA6kuKpn0D2oLJAZhd5EExlHl-BfRsFc

Comments on these scriptures are welcome.

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