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Oct 8, 2019 18:55:19   #
emarine
 
JFlorio wrote:
Go away liar. It’s been pointed out to you over and over. You’re too damn stupid to get it.




Our right leaning buddies now require someone to blame... its not their fault... trump started this blame game & conspiracy BS... sooner or later they will figure out the DEEP STATE is our own internal Intel designed to protect the Constitution from corruption … our Military oath protects our Constitution not our sitting presidents ... its too bad trumps corrupt … there will be no civil war unless our union fails which is Putin's master plan...

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Oct 8, 2019 19:22:17   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Don't call Slatten a rat..

That is wrong

Thanks, CD, for your support. But, I didn't take PR's comment calling me a 'rat' personally. We may have our differences, but she & I have a cordial relationship.

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Oct 8, 2019 19:26:30   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
slatten49 wrote:
Thanks, CD, for your support. But, I didn't take PR's comment calling me a 'rat' personally. We may have our differences, but she & I have a cordial relationship.


I assumed...

But there has been a lot of ad hominem this past week... And it is starting to affect me...


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Oct 8, 2019 19:31:03   #
jimpack123 Loc: wisconsin
 
slatten49 wrote:
You seemingly didn't read the first link in my previous post, regarding the final provision of Article I, Section 8 of the US Constitution, otherwise known as the Necessary and Proper Clause. It gives Congress the ability “To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof." While this clause is written into the text of the Constitution, it was also expounded on by the Supreme Court in McCulloch v. Maryland (1819).

https://constitutionallawreporter.com/necessary-and-proper-clause/

I'll leave it up to you to go back and read/reread the link to fully understand the provisions of the Necessary and Proper Clause...to include the oversight of the Executive branch by the US Congress. That is best explained in the second link in my initial post...

https://courses.lumenlearning.com/boundless-politicalscience/chapter/the-oversight-function-of-congress/
You seemingly didn't read the first link in my pre... (show quote)

remember that the US Congress includes both the House of Rep and the Senate together makes it Congress

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Oct 8, 2019 19:33:18   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
jimpack123 wrote:
remember that the US Congress includes both the House of Rep and the Senate together makes it Congress

Thanks, Jim ...but, I am fully aware of that fact, even as it seems often forgotten by many.

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Oct 8, 2019 19:41:46   #
jimpack123 Loc: wisconsin
 
slatten49 wrote:
Thanks, Jim ...but, I am fully aware of that fact, even as it seems often forgotten by many.


I do not believe that Trump will get impeached I believe that it is going to be tried in a court of Public opinion, the main trouble that Trump has is himself and he is even pissing the GOP senate off. That is what Happened to Nixon He made so tough that even the GOP could not back him anymore

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Oct 8, 2019 19:50:51   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Singularity wrote:
or Pelosi? Pence is in this up to his gill slits.

I mean, neck. Damon autocorrect!


In what? A phone call? You guys need to do some research or get some education. Tell me what statutes were broken. I’ll save you time. None.

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Oct 8, 2019 19:52:29   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
jimpack123 wrote:
I do not believe that Trump will get impeached I believe that it is going to be tried in a court of Public opinion, the main trouble that Trump has is himself and he is even pissing the GOP senate off. That is what Happened to Nixon He made so tough that even the GOP could not back him anymore


Instead of running your yap how about a friendly wager? I’ll give you 2:1 odds and bet a grand that Trump isn’t removed from office.

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Oct 8, 2019 20:13:59   #
Radiance3
 
slatten49 wrote:
You seemingly didn't read the first link in my previous post, regarding the final provision of Article I, Section 8 of the US Constitution, otherwise known as the Necessary and Proper Clause. It gives Congress the ability “To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof." While this clause is written into the text of the Constitution, it was also expounded on by the Supreme Court in McCulloch v. Maryland (1819).

https://constitutionallawreporter.com/necessary-and-proper-clause/

I'll leave it up to you to go back and read/reread the link to fully understand the provisions of the Necessary and Proper Clause...to include the oversight of the Executive branch by the US Congress. That is best explained in the second link in my initial post...

https://courses.lumenlearning.com/boundless-politicalscience/chapter/the-oversight-function-of-congress/
You seemingly didn't read the first link in my pre... (show quote)

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I don't want to over reach the powers of Congress about the making laws that are vested by the constitution. What I was talking about is Congress trying to redefine those powers, their powers, in order to justify their impeachment.

For impeachment, they have to go to the legal process with approval at the senate. They could not create their own laws without legal proceedings.

These democrats in Congress at present are in gross violations of the constitutional provisions in desperate attempts to nullify duly the elected president. They claim it is constitutional.

Here is the problem.
They are impeaching the president without Articles of Impeachment. The reasons for that is Congress does not want to be challenged and questioned on how they arrived at the impeachment. That has not been done in the past. The articles of impeachment is presented and from there they are being challenged by the minority. They are aware that they will loss, thus bypassing this process.


If that happens, the Upper Chamber could dismiss the impeachment.

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Oct 8, 2019 20:20:14   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
slatten49 wrote:
If Congress is successful in removing President Trump, will it cause a Civil War-like fracture in this nation from which our country will never heal?

By Brandon Chai, Conservative Leaner living in a Liberal Bastion (with some editing)

I’ve heard a lot of this “civil war 2.0” type talk lately. Even I was guilty of believing something like this could happen at one point.

It is no secret that the political division in this country is pretty high right now. Name-slinging has become rampant. I’ve even lost some friends and stopped talking to certain family members because of it. However, I highly doubt that we will end up having a 2nd civil war right now. At least it probably wouldn’t be a hot war if we did.

The reason: Because father would have to go up against son. Mother against daughter. Sister against brother. Aunt against uncle. And cousin against aunt. Friends would also have to take up arms against friends. Co-workers against coworkers, etc.

I just don’t see this happening.

You see, during the time of the civil war, most families thought the same about certain issues. Whole areas often shared the same sentiments. Most pro-s***ery sentiments were confined to the south while most anti-s***ery sentiments were in the “north”. What we see today is much different. Families no longer think alike. Today, the kids of die-hard conservative parents might go off to college and become die hard liberals. Today, people in big cities tend to be more liberal so if you live in one of those areas, you might find yourself disagreeing with family members from more rural areas.

Also, there is a wide and densely scattered political party affiliation in the US today. So no, if Democrats successfully impeach Trump, conservatives and Trump supporters might get angry for a bit, but it would most likely quickly fizzle out once a new president was elected.

Neither ideological group would get any more angry than they already are at each other. Wh**ever political division can be had has already been created. If the parties aren’t already mad at one another for everything that’s happened just over the last two years, then they probably will never be mad enough, even if Trump were impeached.

In today’s political environment, if you haven’t already chosen hard sides by now, then you probably never will. And for the people that have chosen hard sides, Trump’s hypothetical impeachment couldn’t make sentiments any worse than they already are.

If we were going to have a civil war over Trump, we would have already had one in the last couple years.
If Congress is successful in removing President Tr... (show quote)


Impeachment would lead to a trial in the Senate. This is Trump's plan A. Plan B will be worse for the Dems.

My advice...Impeach! It will shorten the agony. I'm studying mercy this week.

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Oct 8, 2019 20:20:22   #
Radiance3
 
Lonewolf wrote:
There is no evidence biden or his son broke any laws!
As for Hillary you investigated her 3 years 35 million and found nothing

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Joe Biden broke the law. He used the taxpayers' money $1.5 billion to bribe Ukraine dismiss the prosecutor of Burisma where his son Biden was working and paid $50,000 per month, within 6 hours or else they won't get the money. And within 6 hours the prosecutor was dismissed. And Biden was proud about his acts. Biden must be locked up. He used our money for their influence peddling and quid-pro-quo.

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Oct 8, 2019 20:21:10   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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I don't want to over reach the powers of Congress about the making laws that are vested by the constitution. What I was talking about is Congress trying to redefine those powers, their powers, in order to justify their impeachment.

For impeachment, they have to go to the legal process with approval at the senate. They could not create their own laws without legal proceedings.

These democrats in Congress at present are in gross violations of the constitutional provisions in desperate attempts to nullify duly the elected president. They claim it is constitutional.

Here is the problem.
They are impeaching the president without Articles of Impeachment. The reasons for that is Congress does not want to be challenged and questioned on how they arrived at the impeachment. That has not been done in the past. The articles of impeachment is presented and from there they are being challenged by the minority. They are aware that they will loss, thus bypassing this process.


If that happens, the Upper Chamber could dismiss the impeachment.
================== br i I don't want to over reac... (show quote)


Now, now! Don't talk 'em out of it!

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Oct 8, 2019 20:23:26   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Singularity wrote:
I'm taking a new Karate Yoga Defense Class. Think I'll be safe, enough.

Kee!!!! Yah!

Oh yeah, forgot to kick. Lets see, now, left foot in, left foot out.

There we go!

Namaste.

Feel safer already. To think I have always avoided violence. Huh!


Hi Sing! I almost missed you! Hope all is well!

Do you like the way Trump set up Schiff?

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Oct 8, 2019 23:08:35   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
The civil war if one starts would be encouraged by trump for his own vanity. I hear it from gun nuts who believe the NRA is the only political group to listen to. Any body wishing to start a civil war should know one thing. You will die a rebel without a cause.


You wouldn't shoot at ME, would you Tom?

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Oct 8, 2019 23:13:20   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
archie bunker wrote:
You wouldn't shoot at ME, would you Tom?


Hey Arch. Hope you’re doing well. I’m a member of the NRA. You ever hear any NRA members wanting a Civil War? Closest thing I ever see to mob violence comes from the left. A****A. Students when a Conservative speaks. Black l***s M****r. Didn’t see much of that crap from the right when Obama was President and we sure as hell didn’t like him.

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