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Oct 8, 2019 17:18:23   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Im buying a new .357. I know I’m safe enough.
Singularity wrote:
I'm taking a new Karate Yoga Defense Class. Think I'll be safe, enough.

Kee!!!! Yah!

Oh yeah, forgot to kick. Lets see, now, left foot in, left foot out.

There we go!

Namaste.

Feel safer already. To think I have always avoided violence. Huh!

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Oct 8, 2019 17:19:54   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Lonewolf wrote:
There is no evidence biden or his son broke any laws!
As for Hillary you investigated her 3 years 35 million and found nothing


Go away liar. It’s been pointed out to you over and over. You’re too damn stupid to get it.

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Oct 8, 2019 17:29:30   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
JFlorio wrote:
Go away liar. It’s been pointed out to you over and over. You’re too damn stupid to get it.


Really it's useless talking to Lonewolf ....It's like talking to the wall !!!!

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Oct 8, 2019 17:33:18   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Smedley_buzk**l wrote:
Mr. Chai is apparently under the impression that impeachment means removal. He should do his homework a bit better.

"If Congress is successful in removing President Trump" implies, theoretically, that impeachment would be followed by removal after a v**e from the Senate to do so. I'm not sure where one would find in Mr. Chai's comments where he specifically stated that impeachment was tantamount to removal.

I posted Mr. Chai's comments thinking I would get feedback focusing on impending fears of civil war over possible impeachment and removal.

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Oct 8, 2019 17:50:05   #
Radiance3
 
slatten49 wrote:
Congressional oversight is oversight by the United States Congress over the Executive Branch, including the numerous U.S. federal agencies. Congressional oversight includes the review, monitoring, and supervision of federal agencies, programs, activities, and policy implementation. Congress exercises this power largely through its congressional committee system. Oversight also occurs in a wide variety of congressional activities and contexts. These include authorization, appropriations, investigative, and legislative hearings by standing committees; specialized investigations by select committees; and reviews and studies by congressional support agencies and staff.

https://constitutionallawreporter.com/necessary-and-proper-clause/

Congressional oversight is one of the “implied” powers granted to Congress by the “necessary and proper” clause of the Constitution. In empowering the legislative branch of government to oversee the executive branch, congressional oversight forms a key element of the system of checks and balances of power. The scope of Congress’ powers of oversight extends to virtually all programs, activities, regulations , and polices implemented by the p**********l cabinet departments , independent executive agencies , regulatory boards and commissions, and the President of the United States.

https://courses.lumenlearning.com/boundless-politicalscience/chapter/the-oversight-function-of-congress/
Congressional oversight is oversight by the United... (show quote)

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I am talking about powers that are listed in the Constitution . I am could NOT change that.
What I have listed are the vested powers to the Executive Branch by the Constitution. Anything of that done by Congress is usurpation of the Executive Branch.

You must be talking of something else. As Congress redefined the constitution to meet their narratives, and justify their illegal encroachments of the executive branch.

The branch to finalize interpretation will be the SCOTUS.

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Oct 8, 2019 17:53:11   #
Singularity
 
jimpack123 wrote:
the only civil war will be with words as Trump is clueless he is h*****g himself day by day admitting to crimes everyday and yes just maybe the GOP is getting s**k of him also I could handle a year of Pence


or Pelosi? Pence is in this up to his gill slits.

I mean, neck. Damon autocorrect!

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Oct 8, 2019 17:53:52   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
woodguru wrote:
I agree with the majority spoken here. We would see an escalation of mass murders though, pissed off people. There will be some butt hurt right wingers. Put it this way, I wouldn't put an anti trump bumper sticker on my truck in this county, Lol


That's a really stupid comment, even for you, woody. And most mass murders are committed by people other than white, right extremists. But the white right one's do get all the headlines!

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Oct 8, 2019 17:58:54   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
slatten49 wrote:
If Congress is successful in removing President Trump, will it cause a Civil War-like fracture in this nation from which our country will never heal?

By Brandon Chai, Conservative Leaner living in a Liberal Bastion (with some editing)

I’ve heard a lot of this “civil war 2.0” type talk lately. Even I was guilty of believing something like this could happen at one point.

It is no secret that the political division in this country is pretty high right now. Name-slinging has become rampant. I’ve even lost some friends and stopped talking to certain family members because of it. However, I highly doubt that we will end up having a 2nd civil war right now. At least it probably wouldn’t be a hot war if we did.

The reason: Because father would have to go up against son. Mother against daughter. Sister against brother. Aunt against uncle. And cousin against aunt. Friends would also have to take up arms against friends. Co-workers against coworkers, etc.

I just don’t see this happening.

You see, during the time of the civil war, most families thought the same about certain issues. Whole areas often shared the same sentiments. Most pro-s***ery sentiments were confined to the south while most anti-s***ery sentiments were in the “north”. What we see today is much different. Families no longer think alike. Today, the kids of die-hard conservative parents might go off to college and become die hard liberals. Today, people in big cities tend to be more liberal so if you live in one of those areas, you might find yourself disagreeing with family members from more rural areas.

Also, there is a wide and densely scattered political party affiliation in the US today. So no, if Democrats successfully impeach Trump, conservatives and Trump supporters might get angry for a bit, but it would most likely quickly fizzle out once a new president was elected.

Neither ideological group would get any more angry than they already are at each other. Wh**ever political division can be had has already been created. If the parties aren’t already mad at one another for everything that’s happened just over the last two years, then they probably will never be mad enough, even if Trump were impeached.

In today’s political environment, if you haven’t already chosen hard sides by now, then you probably never will. And for the people that have chosen hard sides, Trump’s hypothetical impeachment couldn’t make sentiments any worse than they already are.

If we were going to have a civil war over Trump, we would have already had one in the last couple years.
If Congress is successful in removing President Tr... (show quote)


The civil war if one starts would be encouraged by trump for his own vanity. I hear it from gun nuts who believe the NRA is the only political group to listen to. Any body wishing to start a civil war should know one thing. You will die a rebel without a cause.

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Oct 8, 2019 18:00:20   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
Singularity wrote:
or Pelosi? Pence is in this up to his gill slits.

I mean, neck. Damon autocorrect!


I have news for you,Singularity Trump/Pence will win 4 more years!!!!!!!!

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Oct 8, 2019 18:01:30   #
Gatsby
 
slatten49 wrote:
"If Congress is successful in removing President Trump" implies, theoretically, that impeachment would be followed by removal after a v**e from the Senate to do so. I'm not sure where one would find in Mr. Chai's comments where he specifically stated that impeachment was tantamount to removal.

I posted Mr. Chai's comments thinking I would get feedback focusing on impending fears of civil war over possible impeachment and removal.
"If Congress is successful in removing Presid... (show quote)


By far the greatest danger lies in impeachment, followed by acquittal.

A party line v**e to impeach would be perfectly acceptable to the left.

Anything close to a party line v**e to acquit, would lead to Mass R**ts by the left.

Impeachment, followed by acquittal, followed by re-e******n: Katie Bar the Door!

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Oct 8, 2019 18:10:16   #
Carol Kelly
 
Singularity wrote:
I'm taking a new Karate Yoga Defense Class. Think I'll be safe, enough.

Kee!!!! Yah!

Oh yeah, forgot to kick. Lets see, now, left foot in, left foot out.

There we go!

Namaste.

Feel safer already. To think I have always avoided violence. Huh!


Get in the fight. Help Trump make America Great again.

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Oct 8, 2019 18:10:59   #
Carol Kelly
 
Gatsby wrote:
By far the greatest danger lies in impeachment, followed by acquittal.

A party line v**e to impeach would be perfectly acceptable to the left.

Anything close to a party line v**e to acquit, would lead to Mass R**ts by the left.

Impeachment, followed by acquittal, followed by re-e******n: Katie Bar the Door!


Of course, you are correct...Rght.

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Oct 8, 2019 18:36:29   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
proud republican wrote:
Even if you Rats will successfully Congress impeach in him, the Senate WILL NEVER convict him... So you Rats have nothing to worry about!!


Don't call Slatten a rat..

That is wrong

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Oct 8, 2019 18:42:29   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
slatten49 wrote:
"If Congress is successful in removing President Trump" implies, theoretically, that impeachment would be followed by removal after a v**e from the Senate to do so. I'm not sure where one would find in Mr. Chai's comments where he specifically stated that impeachment was tantamount to removal.

I posted Mr. Chai's comments thinking I would get feedback focusing on impending fears of civil war over possible impeachment and removal.
"If Congress is successful in removing Presid... (show quote)


Yeah... The article was interesting and it's a topic we haven't explored yet...

I doubt it would come to a civil war... But I think we'd hear a lot more talk about states wanting to break away and become their own nations...

And there would be a lot of random attacks on perceived anti-trumpers... I would worry about the security of certain congressmen and senators...

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Oct 8, 2019 18:49:03   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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I am talking about powers that are listed in the Constitution . I am could NOT change that.
What I have listed are the vested powers to the Executive Branch by the Constitution. Anything of that done by Congress is usurpation of the Executive Branch.

You must be talking of something else. As Congress redefined the constitution to meet their narratives, and justify their illegal encroachments of the executive branch.

The branch to finalize interpretation will be the SCOTUS.
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You seemingly didn't read the first link in my previous post, regarding the final provision of Article I, Section 8 of the US Constitution, otherwise known as the Necessary and Proper Clause. It gives Congress the ability “To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof." While this clause is written into the text of the Constitution, it was also expounded on by the Supreme Court in McCulloch v. Maryland (1819).

https://constitutionallawreporter.com/necessary-and-proper-clause/

I'll leave it up to you to go back and read/reread the link to fully understand the provisions of the Necessary and Proper Clause...to include the oversight of the Executive branch by the US Congress. That is best explained in the second link in my initial post...

https://courses.lumenlearning.com/boundless-politicalscience/chapter/the-oversight-function-of-congress/

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