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Sep 21, 2019 02:21:15   #
rumitoid
 
How do you feel about this?

A teacher who threw his terminally ill 79-year-old mother to her death from a first-floor balcony spared jail as judge describes it as a "mercy killing".

A "devoted, loving son" who killed his dying mother to end her suffering by dropping her from a first floor fire escape at a care home has been given a suspended jail term.

Robert Knight, 53, pleaded guilty to the manslaughter of his 79-year-old mother June at an earlier hearing at Basildon Crown Court.

The languages teacher had denied murder and was cleared by a jury.

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Sep 21, 2019 02:37:40   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
How I "feel" about it is irrelevant.

He murdered his mother and should receive the death sentence.

"Whoever sheds man's blood, By man his blood shall be shed, For in the image of God He made man." (Genesis 9:6)


rumitoid wrote:
How do you feel about this?

A teacher who threw his terminally ill 79-year-old mother to her death from a first-floor balcony spared jail as judge describes it as a "mercy killing".

A "devoted, loving son" who killed his dying mother to end her suffering by dropping her from a first floor fire escape at a care home has been given a suspended jail term.

Robert Knight, 53, pleaded guilty to the manslaughter of his 79-year-old mother June at an earlier hearing at Basildon Crown Court.

The languages teacher had denied murder and was cleared by a jury.
How do you feel about this? br br A teacher who t... (show quote)

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Sep 21, 2019 03:04:51   #
rumitoid
 
Zemirah wrote:
How I "feel" about it is irrelevant.

He murdered his mother and should receive the death sentence.

"Whoever sheds man's blood, By man his blood shall be shed, For in the image of God He made man." (Genesis 9:6)


His mother was a woman. That is not meant to be snarky. The Jews treated women differently: why not include them? God needed to be more specific: people or humanity would be nice. Yet besides that what you use as a defense, Jesus dismisses.
"I thought you knew this. 38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[a] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you."

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Sep 21, 2019 03:11:23   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
By "man" mankind is inferred... I thought you knew that.

I don't care how the Jews treated women; I went to the word of God. He does not exclude murdered women from receiving justice.

Jesus was referring to individual relationships.

The death sentence is to be carried out by a duly authorized government.

You know the difference.


rumitoid wrote:
His mother was a woman. That is not meant to be snarky. The Jews treated women differently: why not include them? God needed to be more specific: people or humanity would be nice. Yet besides that what you use as a defense, Jesus dismisses.
"I thought you knew this. 38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[a] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you."
His mother was a woman. That is not meant to be sn... (show quote)

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Sep 21, 2019 03:49:39   #
rumitoid
 
Zemirah wrote:
By "man" mankind is inferred... I thought you knew that.

I don't care how the Jews treated women; I went to the word of God. He does not exclude murdered women from receiving justice.

Jesus was referring to individual relationships.

The death sentence is to be carried out by a duly authorized government.

You know the difference.


You did not address the fact that Jesus dismissed your Genesis quote. And you are wrong. Man was not taken as humanity, though today in polite society we agree. But it was MEN! Period! The Bible is replete with the position of women. There are exceptions but it was principally a Man's World.

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Sep 21, 2019 04:59:57   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Jesus did not in any way dismiss the Noahic Covenant! Dream on. It stands today.

The term is representative of mankind. It has been so through each subsequent translation from century to century, country to country, and language to language.

As for the reality that exists within every functioning human society since time began... You underestimate women, their influence, their importance. They are half of every household, and to borrow from a classic country-western song: "No one knows what goes on behind closed doors."

Incidentally, where is this "polite society" of today? I haven't seen it for awhile.


rumitoid wrote:
You did not address the fact that Jesus dismissed your Genesis quote. And you are wrong. Man was not taken as humanity, though today in polite society we agree. But it was MEN! Period! The Bible is replete with the position of women. There are exceptions but it was principally a Man's World.

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Sep 21, 2019 05:08:14   #
rumitoid
 
Zemirah wrote:
Jesus did not in any way dismiss the Noahic Covenant! Dream on. It stands today.

The term is representative of mankind. It has been so through each subsequent translation from century to century, country to country, and language to language.

As for the reality that exists within every functioning human society since time began... You underestimate women, their influence, their importance. They are half of every household, and to borrow from a classic country-western song: "No one knows what goes on behind closed doors."

Incidentally, where is this "polite society" of today? I haven't seen it for awhile.
Jesus did not in any way dismiss the Noahic Covena... (show quote)


I never mentioned the Noahic Covenant: where did that come from? And he not did dismiss the Mosaic Covenant, though many Christians think he did.

Not man in general, meaning humanity, but man: The Hebrew Bible is, in many respects, a man’s book. Its authors are arguably all male, and even scholars who point to a few biblical texts that might have been authored by women must admit that these compositions have been transmitted through male scribal communities.1 The Hebrew Bible’s worldview is likewise overwhelmingly male: while Exodus 19:15 is ostensibly addressed to “all the people,” for example, men must in fact be the exclusive audience of the command given there to “not go near a woman.” The Bible’s main actors are in addition predominantly male: the patriarchs of Genesis, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; the redeemer Moses, who is the principal figure of Exodus-Deuteronomy; the all-male priesthood that is part of Moses’ levitical line; the war leaders of Joshua and Judges; the kings of 1–2 Samuel, 1–2 Kings, and 1–2 Chronicles, along with the prophets of these same books and of the Hebrew Bible’s prophetic corpus; the leaders of the postexilic community described in Ezra and Nehemiah; and, according to tradition, poets such as King David (to whom many of the psalms are ascribed) and King Solomon (if one interprets Cant. 1:1 as identifying Solomon as the author of the Song of Songs). Indeed, over 90 percent of the 1400 or so individuals who are given names in the Hebrew Bible are men.2

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Sep 21, 2019 08:31:48   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
First, there is the covenant God made with Noah in which He establishes governments.

After God destroyed the world by flood, he reaffirmed to Noah his mandate for humans to “be fruitful and multiply.”4 He also committed never to destroy life on earth by such a great flood again.5 But God did include a provision for addressing human sin—particularly all the murder and bloodshed that had led to the flood to begin with. He said to Noah: “From each human being, too, I will demand an accounting for the life of another human being. ‘Whoever sheds human blood, by humans shall their blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made mankind.’”

In this part of the Noahic Covenant, God is saying: “Human life is so precious that only God should give and take it. Thus, when one human being murders another, I allow humans to legally punish the offender by taking his or her life in return.”

The Bible is written for all mankind, not exclusively men. By our design, men have, or are meant to have predominant roles in government, in ministry and as head of the family.

That does not preclude the inclusion of women from the family, the society or the congregation that worships God. Women are naturally by birth, numerically half of every population and God does not ignore them.

There was no one rebelliously burning their bras, as in our sixties, as both (2) sexes were fulfilling the roles for which they were designed, intended and suited.

Finally, an important New Testament passage also appears to support the death penalty. In the 13th chapter of Romans, written by the Apostle Paul to Christians in Rome, he gave them practical instruction about their relationship with the government (which was often hostile to Christianity):

"Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience."

Paul clearly instructs Christians to submit to government authorities because God establishes human authority. That includes the prerogative to punish evil with “the sword.” It was widely known that the Roman Empire used methods of execution for capital crimes. It’s difficult to interpret Paul’s writing as anything other than a tacit endorsement of Rome’s use of the death penalty to punish certain crimes.


rumitoid wrote:
I never mentioned the Noahic Covenant: where did that come from? And he not did dismiss the Mosaic Covenant, though many Christians think he did.

Not man in general, meaning humanity, but man: The Hebrew Bible is, in many respects, a man’s book. Its authors are arguably all male, and even scholars who point to a few biblical texts that might have been authored by women must admit that these compositions have been transmitted through male scribal communities.1 The Hebrew Bible’s worldview is likewise overwhelmingly male: while Exodus 19:15 is ostensibly addressed to “all the people,” for example, men must in fact be the exclusive audience of the command given there to “not go near a woman.” The Bible’s main actors are in addition predominantly male: the patriarchs of Genesis, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; the redeemer Moses, who is the principal figure of Exodus-Deuteronomy; the all-male priesthood that is part of Moses’ levitical line; the war leaders of Joshua and Judges; the kings of 1–2 Samuel, 1–2 Kings, and 1–2 Chronicles, along with the prophets of these same books and of the Hebrew Bible’s prophetic corpus; the leaders of the postexilic community described in Ezra and Nehemiah; and, according to tradition, poets such as King David (to whom many of the psalms are ascribed) and King Solomon (if one interprets Cant. 1:1 as identifying Solomon as the author of the Song of Songs). Indeed, over 90 percent of the 1400 or so individuals who are given names in the Hebrew Bible are men.2
I never mentioned the Noahic Covenant: where did t... (show quote)

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Sep 21, 2019 08:54:07   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
rumitoid wrote:
How do you feel about this?

A teacher who threw his terminally ill 79-year-old mother to her death from a first-floor balcony spared jail as judge describes it as a "mercy killing".

A "devoted, loving son" who killed his dying mother to end her suffering by dropping her from a first floor fire escape at a care home has been given a suspended jail term.

Robert Knight, 53, pleaded guilty to the manslaughter of his 79-year-old mother June at an earlier hearing at Basildon Crown Court.

The languages teacher had denied murder and was cleared by a jury.
How do you feel about this? br br A teacher who t... (show quote)


He should have been given a medal......................he saved taxpayers a ton of money. This was murder, not a mercy killing.

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Sep 21, 2019 11:13:55   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
lpnmajor wrote:
He should have been given a medal......................he saved taxpayers a ton of money. This was murder, not a mercy killing.


Agreed...

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Sep 21, 2019 15:12:35   #
rumitoid
 
Zemirah wrote:
First, there is the covenant God made with Noah in which He establishes governments.

After God destroyed the world by flood, he reaffirmed to Noah his mandate for humans to “be fruitful and multiply.”4 He also committed never to destroy life on earth by such a great flood again.5 But God did include a provision for addressing human sin—particularly all the murder and bloodshed that had led to the flood to begin with. He said to Noah: “From each human being, too, I will demand an accounting for the life of another human being. ‘Whoever sheds human blood, by humans shall their blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made mankind.’”

In this part of the Noahic Covenant, God is saying: “Human life is so precious that only God should give and take it. Thus, when one human being murders another, I allow humans to legally punish the offender by taking his or her life in return.”

The Bible is written for all mankind, not exclusively men. By our design, men have, or are meant to have predominant roles in government, in ministry and as head of the family.

That does not preclude the inclusion of women from the family, the society or the congregation that worships God. Women are naturally by birth, numerically half of every population and God does not ignore them.

There was no one rebelliously burning their bras, as in our sixties, as both (2) sexes were fulfilling the roles for which they were designed, intended and suited.

Finally, an important New Testament passage also appears to support the death penalty. In the 13th chapter of Romans, written by the Apostle Paul to Christians in Rome, he gave them practical instruction about their relationship with the government (which was often hostile to Christianity):

"Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience."

Paul clearly instructs Christians to submit to government authorities because God establishes human authority. That includes the prerogative to punish evil with “the sword.” It was widely known that the Roman Empire used methods of execution for capital crimes. It’s difficult to interpret Paul’s writing as anything other than a tacit endorsement of Rome’s use of the death penalty to punish certain crimes.
First, there is the covenant God made with Noah in... (show quote)


Perhaps but I am really tired of this nonsense interpretation, and contradictory assumptions, of Romans 13. We are already told that Satan rules this world. John 12:31: "ruler of this world." How did that happen? God allowed it. That makes me sick. Never mind. "The god of this world has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ."

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Sep 21, 2019 15:14:58   #
rumitoid
 
lpnmajor wrote:
He should have been given a medal......................he saved taxpayers a ton of money. This was murder, not a mercy killing.


Curious, morality based on monetary concerns.

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Sep 21, 2019 21:59:29   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
How did that happen, rumi?

Here's the simplistic long version:

Satan is the god of this world (2Cor 4:4, John 12:31, Eph 2:2). He showed what he owns while tempting Jesus saying, “I’ll give you all the kingdoms of the world if you will bow down and worship me” (Matt 4:8-9).

Psalms 24:1 says that the earth is God’s because He created it, but God is no longer the god of the man made systems of the nations and empires of this world; during this age there is a conflict between God and Satan for the souls of men.

How did the kingdoms of the world become Satan’s? God created the world (Gen 1:1). At that time, the world was in God’s dominion. After He made man, He gave dominion to Man (Gen 1:26). It does not say that He shared dominion with man, but gave it to him. When He gave it to man, it belonged to man and not to God anymore. God couldn’t take dominion back from the man because “...the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable." (Rom 11:29), which means that when God gives a gift, He either can’t or won’t take it back. When Adam received this dominion, he became, very briefly, in charge of this world.

God said, “in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die” (Gen 2:17). Romans 6:16 says, “Don’t you know that you become a slave to whoever you obey? If you obey sin, you’re a slave to sin and you’ll die. If you obey God, then you gain righteousness.” Whoever commits sin is a slave to sin (John 8:34). Satan is the father of lusts, theft, murder, lying (John 8:44) and therefore sin. He is the father of every disobedient person (Eph 2:2), disobedience is lawlessness, and all lawlessness is sin (1Jn 3:4).

Because Satan is the father of sin, and whoever sins is a slave to sin, it is accurate to say that whoever sins is a slave of Satan. Hence, Man became a slave to Satan when he obeyed the snake in the garden, and the dominion that man had was transferred to Satan.

Whatever a slave owns is given to his master, which in this case is dominion over the earth. Jesus said, “A servant is not greater than his master” (John 13:16). Here’s what the Law of Moses says in Exodus 22:3, “…he (a thief) should make full restitution (for what he steals); if he have nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft.”

When a man owes another man something that he can’t pay back, he must first start by giving what he has to his debtor like possessions, lands, titles, etc. Then because that isn’t enough, the only other way to pay him back is by becoming his slave and giving time and service.

The debt was so big that it affected all of Adam’s descendants. Adam couldn’t pay back the debt in his lifetime, nor could his children, or his children’s children. It would have carried on from generation to generation for all eternity until someone could pay in full the debt for sinning against God.

The only way for humanity to be bought back was by God sending His Son to pay in full our debt and redeem us (Titus 2:14). Who was Jesus freeing people from? The dominion of Satan. Romans 5:19 says, “For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.”

Satan is a thief and a liar. He gained dominion through deceit. First he tricked the snake, then he used the snake to trick the woman (1Tim 2:14), and then Adam was persuaded to go along with it. Satan was not the snake; for if so, why did God curse all snakes (Gen 3:14)? Satan tricked the snake, and used it to convince man to disobey God by eating from the fruit of the forbidden tree.

In doing so, Satan tricked the woman and the man into thinking that they would be greater or equal to God. Satan rose above the man and received His dominion. The snake, who wanted to be above the man, was cursed to be lower than any living thing by crawling on its belly (Gen 3:14). The woman was put under the man's authority (Gen 3:16), and the man, who wanted to be equal to or greater than God would die and return back into the earth that was cursed from that moment (Gen 3:17-19).

Until God takes back the earth, He has empowered His children so that they can “stand against the wiles of the devil” (Eph 6:11). The reason God hasn’t yet taken back dominion is for the sake of those who have not yet repented and accepted His grace through faith in Jesus Christ.
2Peter 3:9 – “The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us- ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”


rumitoid wrote:
Perhaps but I am really tired of this nonsense interpretation, and contradictory assumptions, of Romans 13. We are already told that Satan rules this world. John 12:31: "ruler of this world." How did that happen? God allowed it. That makes me sick. Never mind. "The god of this world has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ."

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Sep 22, 2019 10:19:05   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
Zemirah wrote:
How did that happen, rumi?

Here's the simplistic long version:

Satan is the god of this world (2Cor 4:4, John 12:31, Eph 2:2). He showed what he owns while tempting Jesus saying, “I’ll give you all the kingdoms of the world if you will bow down and worship me” (Matt 4:8-9).

Psalms 24:1 says that the earth is God’s because He created it, but God is no longer the god of the man made systems of the nations and empires of this world; during this age there is a conflict between God and Satan for the souls of men.

How did the kingdoms of the world become Satan’s? God created the world (Gen 1:1). At that time, the world was in God’s dominion. After He made man, He gave dominion to Man (Gen 1:26). It does not say that He shared dominion with man, but gave it to him. When He gave it to man, it belonged to man and not to God anymore. God couldn’t take dominion back from the man because “...the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable." (Rom 11:29), which means that when God gives a gift, He either can’t or won’t take it back. When Adam received this dominion, he became, very briefly, in charge of this world.

God said, “in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die” (Gen 2:17). Romans 6:16 says, “Don’t you know that you become a slave to whoever you obey? If you obey sin, you’re a slave to sin and you’ll die. If you obey God, then you gain righteousness.” Whoever commits sin is a slave to sin (John 8:34). Satan is the father of lusts, theft, murder, lying (John 8:44) and therefore sin. He is the father of every disobedient person (Eph 2:2), disobedience is lawlessness, and all lawlessness is sin (1Jn 3:4).

Because Satan is the father of sin, and whoever sins is a slave to sin, it is accurate to say that whoever sins is a slave of Satan. Hence, Man became a slave to Satan when he obeyed the snake in the garden, and the dominion that man had was transferred to Satan.

Whatever a slave owns is given to his master, which in this case is dominion over the earth. Jesus said, “A servant is not greater than his master” (John 13:16). Here’s what the Law of Moses says in Exodus 22:3, “…he (a thief) should make full restitution (for what he steals); if he have nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft.”

When a man owes another man something that he can’t pay back, he must first start by giving what he has to his debtor like possessions, lands, titles, etc. Then because that isn’t enough, the only other way to pay him back is by becoming his slave and giving time and service.

The debt was so big that it affected all of Adam’s descendants. Adam couldn’t pay back the debt in his lifetime, nor could his children, or his children’s children. It would have carried on from generation to generation for all eternity until someone could pay in full the debt for sinning against God.

The only way for humanity to be bought back was by God sending His Son to pay in full our debt and redeem us (Titus 2:14). Who was Jesus freeing people from? The dominion of Satan. Romans 5:19 says, “For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.”

Satan is a thief and a liar. He gained dominion through deceit. First he tricked the snake, then he used the snake to trick the woman (1Tim 2:14), and then Adam was persuaded to go along with it. Satan was not the snake; for if so, why did God curse all snakes (Gen 3:14)? Satan tricked the snake, and used it to convince man to disobey God by eating from the fruit of the forbidden tree.

In doing so, Satan tricked the woman and the man into thinking that they would be greater or equal to God. Satan rose above the man and received His dominion. The snake, who wanted to be above the man, was cursed to be lower than any living thing by crawling on its belly (Gen 3:14). The woman was put under the man's authority (Gen 3:16), and the man, who wanted to be equal to or greater than God would die and return back into the earth that was cursed from that moment (Gen 3:17-19).

Until God takes back the earth, He has empowered His children so that they can “stand against the wiles of the devil” (Eph 6:11). The reason God hasn’t yet taken back dominion is for the sake of those who have not yet repented and accepted His grace through faith in Jesus Christ.
2Peter 3:9 – “The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us- ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
How did that happen, rumi? br br Here's the simpl... (show quote)



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Sep 22, 2019 11:54:01   #
Rose42
 
Zemirah wrote:
How did that happen, rumi?

Here's the simplistic long version:

Satan is the god of this world (2Cor 4:4, John 12:31, Eph 2:2). He showed what he owns while tempting Jesus saying, “I’ll give you all the kingdoms of the world if you will bow down and worship me” (Matt 4:8-9).

Psalms 24:1 says that the earth is God’s because He created it, but God is no longer the god of the man made systems of the nations and empires of this world; during this age there is a conflict between God and Satan for the souls of men.

How did the kingdoms of the world become Satan’s? God created the world (Gen 1:1). At that time, the world was in God’s dominion. After He made man, He gave dominion to Man (Gen 1:26). It does not say that He shared dominion with man, but gave it to him. When He gave it to man, it belonged to man and not to God anymore. God couldn’t take dominion back from the man because “...the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable." (Rom 11:29), which means that when God gives a gift, He either can’t or won’t take it back. When Adam received this dominion, he became, very briefly, in charge of this world.

God said, “in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die” (Gen 2:17). Romans 6:16 says, “Don’t you know that you become a slave to whoever you obey? If you obey sin, you’re a slave to sin and you’ll die. If you obey God, then you gain righteousness.” Whoever commits sin is a slave to sin (John 8:34). Satan is the father of lusts, theft, murder, lying (John 8:44) and therefore sin. He is the father of every disobedient person (Eph 2:2), disobedience is lawlessness, and all lawlessness is sin (1Jn 3:4).

Because Satan is the father of sin, and whoever sins is a slave to sin, it is accurate to say that whoever sins is a slave of Satan. Hence, Man became a slave to Satan when he obeyed the snake in the garden, and the dominion that man had was transferred to Satan.

Whatever a slave owns is given to his master, which in this case is dominion over the earth. Jesus said, “A servant is not greater than his master” (John 13:16). Here’s what the Law of Moses says in Exodus 22:3, “…he (a thief) should make full restitution (for what he steals); if he have nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft.”

When a man owes another man something that he can’t pay back, he must first start by giving what he has to his debtor like possessions, lands, titles, etc. Then because that isn’t enough, the only other way to pay him back is by becoming his slave and giving time and service.

The debt was so big that it affected all of Adam’s descendants. Adam couldn’t pay back the debt in his lifetime, nor could his children, or his children’s children. It would have carried on from generation to generation for all eternity until someone could pay in full the debt for sinning against God.

The only way for humanity to be bought back was by God sending His Son to pay in full our debt and redeem us (Titus 2:14). Who was Jesus freeing people from? The dominion of Satan. Romans 5:19 says, “For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.”

Satan is a thief and a liar. He gained dominion through deceit. First he tricked the snake, then he used the snake to trick the woman (1Tim 2:14), and then Adam was persuaded to go along with it. Satan was not the snake; for if so, why did God curse all snakes (Gen 3:14)? Satan tricked the snake, and used it to convince man to disobey God by eating from the fruit of the forbidden tree.

In doing so, Satan tricked the woman and the man into thinking that they would be greater or equal to God. Satan rose above the man and received His dominion. The snake, who wanted to be above the man, was cursed to be lower than any living thing by crawling on its belly (Gen 3:14). The woman was put under the man's authority (Gen 3:16), and the man, who wanted to be equal to or greater than God would die and return back into the earth that was cursed from that moment (Gen 3:17-19).

Until God takes back the earth, He has empowered His children so that they can “stand against the wiles of the devil” (Eph 6:11). The reason God hasn’t yet taken back dominion is for the sake of those who have not yet repented and accepted His grace through faith in Jesus Christ.
2Peter 3:9 – “The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us- ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
How did that happen, rumi? br br Here's the simpl... (show quote)


To quote someone else - "Amen and amen".

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