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Sep 12, 2019 17:37:12   #
slatten49 (a regular here)
 
logan1965 wrote:
I also am a Veteran, a Disabled Vietnam Veteran that is retired from the Defence Dept. as a Logistics Specialist. Your analysis of this mentally flawed narcissist is spot on. I also agree that these spineless Republicans, ( McConnell, Graham, Jorden, Connelly, Paul, ) have sold their souls and a patriotic responsibility to the highest bidder, McConnell & Paul to Russia. These Republican Civil Servants have without integrity violated their Oath of Office and must be held accountable for their Anti-American activities. Trump and his family have time and time again violated the Emolument Government Laws not to mention the past backdoor banking fraud by Trump and his corrupt son in law Kirchner with the Israel and Russian mob. This family is dirty and is now using their corrupt financial scams inside the taxpayer's government institutions to enhance their personal wealth. Pelosi and Schumer in my estimation are contributors to this increased poisonous corruption in Washington by sitting on the fence and not taking the gloves off to do the job the voters of this Democracy elected them for, to protect and maintain the integrity of the United States, CONSTITUTION. This country is in a dangerous position of losing its Democratic culture, and let me inform the working-class voters of this country that I have been in 48 countries around this planet and believe me when I say you do not want to live under the totalitarian form of government that the majority of these countries use to enhance their personal wealth and dominate the lifestyle of their people. You, the VOTERS, hopefully still have a fair election process and control the destiny of the future for your children and grandchildren. DONT SCREW IT UP, THERE IS NO TOMORROW ONCE THESE UNETHICAL, CORRUPT CORPORATE BILLIONAIRES, LIKE TRUMP, SELL YOUR COUNTRY AND YOUR FREEDOM TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER FOR POWER AND PROFIT. YOU JUST MIGHT BE A CONTRIBUTOR TO THE FALL OF THE MODERN DAY ROMAN EMPIRE
I also am a Veteran, a Disabled Vietnam Veteran th... (show quote)

A belated welcome home, Brother, and welcome also to this forum.. Thank you for your service and for this plus any future contributions to discussions on OPP.

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Sep 12, 2019 17:51:02   #
emarine (a regular here)
 
logan1965 wrote:
I also am a Veteran, a Disabled Vietnam Veteran that is retired from the Defence Dept. as a Logistics Specialist. Your analysis of this mentally flawed narcissist is spot on. I also agree that these spineless Republicans, ( McConnell, Graham, Jorden, Connelly, Paul, ) have sold their souls and a patriotic responsibility to the highest bidder, McConnell & Paul to Russia. These Republican Civil Servants have without integrity violated their Oath of Office and must be held accountable for their Anti-American activities. Trump and his family have time and time again violated the Emolument Government Laws not to mention the past backdoor banking fraud by Trump and his corrupt son in law Kirchner with the Israel and Russian mob. This family is dirty and is now using their corrupt financial scams inside the taxpayer's government institutions to enhance their personal wealth. Pelosi and Schumer in my estimation are contributors to this increased poisonous corruption in Washington by sitting on the fence and not taking the gloves off to do the job the voters of this Democracy elected them for, to protect and maintain the integrity of the United States, CONSTITUTION. This country is in a dangerous position of losing its Democratic culture, and let me inform the working-class voters of this country that I have been in 48 countries around this planet and believe me when I say you do not want to live under the totalitarian form of government that the majority of these countries use to enhance their personal wealth and dominate the lifestyle of their people. You, the VOTERS, hopefully still have a fair election process and control the destiny of the future for your children and grandchildren. DONT SCREW IT UP, THERE IS NO TOMORROW ONCE THESE UNETHICAL, CORRUPT CORPORATE BILLIONAIRES, LIKE TRUMP, SELL YOUR COUNTRY AND YOUR FREEDOM TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER FOR POWER AND PROFIT. YOU JUST MIGHT BE A CONTRIBUTOR TO THE FALL OF THE MODERN DAY ROMAN EMPIRE
I also am a Veteran, a Disabled Vietnam Veteran th... (show quote)




I admire your ability to clearly lay it on the line... welcome aboard...

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Sep 12, 2019 17:55:42   #
slatten49 (a regular here)
 
JediKnight wrote:
perm: may I ask if that photo is from somewhere near where you live? Not trying to pry, but it looks so peaceful and serene - right out of a dream! I'm jealous!

If so, that begs my attention and a visit to Frostie's place up in the Land of 10,000 Lakes, Minnesota, for a multiple overnights bivouac.

What say you, Frostie Maybe late next Spring or early summer If so, I would likely bring my RV motorhome. As you know, I visited the Minnesota North Shore from Duluth all the way to Grand Portage a few years ago, prior to joining OPP.

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Sep 12, 2019 18:21:06   #
4430 (a regular here)
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
No Democrat has ever said they want to do away with the Constitution, that just not true but you "choose" to believe it as it fits your monologue.

We would like the electoral vote to represent the voters better, every vote should count equally. We have always believed in the Constitution and that that is more empty rhetoric.

From your posts, I strongly doubt you would seriously consider someone from the left.


If one listens to the Democrats talking points and their actions lean to do away of seriously limit it !

Surely you jest that doing away with the Elector College will make every vote count equally is completely false !

The larger populated states would and could knock out smaller states making their votes irreverent !
The way it is every state has according to the population a set number of Electors per population which is about as equal as they can get !

As of 2010, the five smallest states by population are Wyoming, Vermont, North Dakota, Alaska and South Dakota.

The founding fathers were a lot smarter that most folks are today if the Electoral College was done away with Presidential candidates wouldn't bother visiting these 5 small states as their vote wouldn't amount to anything !
They would spend all their time and money where the votes would actually count !

The popular vote would make the votes in the 5 smallest states irrelevant !

East Coast 24,380,046 Pop

West Coast 47,809,570, Pop

East Coast 24,380,046
West "" 47,809,570

Combined Total 72,189,616

If 2/3 of both Coast voted lets say for liberal 48,126,410.66


5 Smallest States combined 2,631,138

WY 563,626

VT 625,741

ND 627,591

AK 814,180

Combined 2,631,138 Pop

if the 5 smallest states voted 100% Conservative it'd make no difference their vote would still be irrelevant !

So do you still think that every vote would count equally ?

If I were a betting man I'd lay odds 10 to 1 that In the event the Electoral College was done away with and if the popular vote went to a Republican the Democrats would demand that the Elector College be instated asap !

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Sep 12, 2019 18:39:50   #
slatten49 (a regular here)
 
4430 wrote:
If one listens to the Democrats talking points and their actions lean to do away of seriously limit it !

Surely you jest that doing away with the Elector College will make every vote count equally is completely false !

The larger populated states would and could knock out smaller states making their votes irreverent !
The way it is every state has according to the population a set number of Electors per population which is about as equal as they can get !

As of 2010, the five smallest states by population are Wyoming, Vermont, North Dakota, Alaska and South Dakota.

The founding fathers were a lot smarter that most folks are today if the Electoral College was done away with Presidential candidates wouldn't bother visiting these 5 small states as their vote wouldn't amount to anything !
They would spend all their time and money where the votes would actually count !

The popular vote would make the votes in the 5 smallest states irrelevant !

East Coast 24,380,046 Pop

West Coast 47,809,570, Pop

East Coast 24,380,046
West "" 47,809,570

Combined Total 72,189,616

If 2/3 of both Coast voted lets say for liberal 48,126,410.66


5 Smallest States combined 2,631,138

WY 563,626

VT 625,741

ND 627,591

AK 814,180

Combined 2,631,138 Pop

if the 5 smallest states voted 100% Conservative it'd make no difference their vote would still be irrelevant !

So do you still think that every vote would count equally ?

If I were a betting man I'd lay odds 10 to 1 that In the event the Electoral College was done away with and if the popular vote went to a Republican the Democrats would demand that the Elector College be instated asap !
If one listens to the Democrats talking points and... (show quote)

2017's top ten states, by population, of the U.S.A.: According to the 2016 election results, as one can see, the Dems certainly did not dominate the largest urban states, nor their electoral votes. The seven GOP states below had a population edge of about thirty million over the three Democratic states.

1. California 39,536,653...Democrats
2. Texas 28,304,596...GOP
3. Florida 20,984,400...GOP
4. New York 19,849,399...Democrats
5. Pennsylvania 12,805,537...GOP
6. Illinois 12,802,023...Democrats
7. Ohio 11,658,609...GOP
8. Georgia 10,429,379...GOP
9. North Carolina 10,273,419...GOP
10. Michigan 9,936,211...GOP

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Sep 12, 2019 18:46:53   #
Rose42 (a regular here)
 
permafrost wrote:
You seem quite confused Rob....

Soros, in the opinion of many on OPP is bank rolling the entire democrat party..

He in fact does nothing of the sort.

While very true that he has put his money where his mouth is, he does not fund rabble in the streets or any nefarious group who attacks our country.

He does fund via his foundation, human right and the spread of democracy nearly world wide.

You may well disagree with President Obama policies, but if you are honest you would have to admit that they had the best interests of all Americans included..

Consumer protection, health care and better jobs/security where very clear in his efforts..

trump on the other hand, as was in the post, has only himself and the very rich in mind when he creates better ways for the rich to get richer and places those supporters who gave tons of money positions in his cabinet..

Nothing he has done has been good for the majority of Americans..

He still works at ending health care for all via the ACA and has nothing at all to replace it with..

that alone is an issue which should remove him from office via election..

Release November!!!
You seem quite confused Rob.... br br Soros, in ... (show quote)


Actually he does (or at least did) fund some of the rabble perm. I used to have the documentation. I'm not going to go searching for all the links through the different organizations again but yes, he sure did. He's an intelligent man and not stupid enough to make any direct donations. That's not to say the same thing doesn't happen on the right - I'm sure it does.

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Sep 12, 2019 19:30:42   #
Tug484 (a regular here)
 
permafrost wrote:
Hi Tug, better then I was but still hobbled..

one more week to watch and if no results, back to the special doc..

feel fine... but frustrated that I keep being told to sit down and do nothing..

Darn,,, this started before the 4th of July.. way longer then it should need..

Nice of you to ask..

Have a very nice evening and enjoy the coming fall..


I'm so sorry..
I hope you feel better.
Actually, I've been feeling sorry for you if you have arthritis.
Living there with all that snow.
That would have to be painful.
It doesn't feel like fall here yet.
Still running the A/C.
I know your state is gorgeous in the summer, but I don't think I could handle the winters.

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Sep 12, 2019 19:37:38   #
4430 (a regular here)
 
slatten49 wrote:
2017's top ten states, by population, of the U.S.A.: According to the 2016 election results, as one can see, the Dems certainly did not dominate the largest urban states, nor their electoral votes. The seven GOP states below had a population edge of about thirty million over the three Democratic states.

1. California 39,536,653...Democrats
2. Texas 28,304,596...GOP
3. Florida 20,984,400...GOP
4. New York 19,849,399...Democrats
5. Pennsylvania 12,805,537...GOP
6. Illinois 12,802,023...Democrats
7. Ohio 11,658,609...GOP
8. Georgia 10,429,379...GOP
9. North Carolina 10,273,419...GOP
10. Michigan 9,936,211...GOP
2017's top ten states, by population, of the U.S.A... (show quote)


Are you in the ditch the Electoral College group ?

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Sep 12, 2019 19:41:57   #
Barracuda2020 (a regular here)
 
permafrost wrote:
Hi Tug, better then I was but still hobbled..

one more week to watch and if no results, back to the special doc..

feel fine... but frustrated that I keep being told to sit down and do nothing..

Darn,,, this started before the 4th of July.. way longer then it should need..

Nice of you to ask..

Have a very nice evening and enjoy the coming fall..


Ahhhh

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Sep 12, 2019 20:01:52   #
slatten49 (a regular here)
 
4430 wrote:
Are you in the ditch the Electoral College group ?

No, I always have been and remain a strong advocate for the electoral college. I hear and understand the arguments for a popular vote, yet I'm not convinced the current system is outdated. I could/would accept a constitutional amendment for the change. I don't see that happening anytime soon.

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Sep 12, 2019 20:08:00   #
Barracuda2020 (a regular here)
 
4430 wrote:
If one listens to the Democrats talking points and their actions lean to do away of seriously limit it !

Surely you jest that doing away with the Elector College will make every vote count equally is completely false !

The larger populated states would and could knock out smaller states making their votes irreverent !
The way it is every state has according to the population a set number of Electors per population which is about as equal as they can get !

As of 2010, the five smallest states by population are Wyoming, Vermont, North Dakota, Alaska and South Dakota.

The founding fathers were a lot smarter that most folks are today if the Electoral College was done away with Presidential candidates wouldn't bother visiting these 5 small states as their vote wouldn't amount to anything !
They would spend all their time and money where the votes would actually count !

The popular vote would make the votes in the 5 smallest states irrelevant !

East Coast 24,380,046 Pop

West Coast 47,809,570, Pop

East Coast 24,380,046
West "" 47,809,570

Combined Total 72,189,616

If 2/3 of both Coast voted lets say for liberal 48,126,410.66


5 Smallest States combined 2,631,138

WY 563,626

VT 625,741

ND 627,591

AK 814,180

Combined 2,631,138 Pop

if the 5 smallest states voted 100% Conservative it'd make no difference their vote would still be irrelevant !

So do you still think that every vote would count equally ?

If I were a betting man I'd lay odds 10 to 1 that In the event the Electoral College was done away with and if the popular vote went to a Republican the Democrats would demand that the Elector College be instated asap !
If one listens to the Democrats talking points and... (show quote)


This is just what I'm talking about, I never said to do away with the electoral vote, you hear only what you want to hear.

In a democracy including [representative democracy aka, a republic,] the people's majority wins, that is what wins in everything we do, including an electoral college, the majority votes wins, not the minority. Our democracy chooses our congressmen and all the way to prove who is innocent and who is guilty in a courtroom.

Thinking the losing side is irrelevant isn't true, but that's how you choose to think of it. It is how we pick our people. Yes, there is a losing side, but a decent president would not just hone into his base but consider all Americans, but as of late that is not what's been happening at all.

We would be fine without a party, better off I'd say. Let the people speak directly. If that happened now we'd have new gun laws, we'd be fighting for a clean environment, we'd be forging ahead into more new energy. The oil industry has been holding us down, not letting us fly.

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Sep 12, 2019 20:22:04   #
4430 (a regular here)
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
This is just what I'm talking about, I never said to do away with the electoral vote, you hear only what you want to hear.
.


I looked back at my post and I could not find anywhere I said you wanted to do away with the electoral vote !
Hillary and many others have said it !

I've never heard of any Republican Presidential Candidate call for the removal of the Electoral College when they lost !

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Sep 12, 2019 20:22:09   #
Seth (a regular here)
 
4430 wrote:
Well I know the Republicans aren't perfect but are heads and shoulders taller than the Democrats !

Give the fact the Democrats are telling us they want to completely do away with the Constitution and Electoral College and provide sanctuary cities and states , have open borders etc etc etc !

I'll stay with the Republicans because at this time we are only a two party government with several sideline parties that makes no difference and only helps the Democrats in the end !

Now in the event a third party with some really good solid people were to come into play it is at that time I'd seriously take a look at them !
Well I know the Republicans aren't perfect but are... (show quote)



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Sep 12, 2019 20:25:59   #
drlarrygino (a regular here)
 
permafrost wrote:
You seem quite confused Rob....

Soros, in the opinion of many on OPP is bank rolling the entire democrat party..

He in fact does nothing of the sort.

While very true that he has put his money where his mouth is, he does not fund rabble in the streets or any nefarious group who attacks our country.

He does fund via his foundation, human right and the spread of democracy nearly world wide.

You may well disagree with President Obama policies, but if you are honest you would have to admit that they had the best interests of all Americans included..

Consumer protection, health care and better jobs/security where very clear in his efforts..

trump on the other hand, as was in the post, has only himself and the very rich in mind when he creates better ways for the rich to get richer and places those supporters who gave tons of money positions in his cabinet..

Nothing he has done has been good for the majority of Americans..

He still works at ending health care for all via the ACA and has nothing at all to replace it with..

that alone is an issue which should remove him from office via election..

Release November!!!
You seem quite confused Rob.... br br Soros, in ... (show quote)


Blabber, blabber and more rubbish. Ovommit and his administration were total duds. Hated the US and brought in the criminal element, more insane islamists, and kissed the mullah's butts. I am amazed that ovommit is still worthy of pulling the wool over your eyes. Rob is not confused but you surely are. Hitlery and Ovommit tried to turn us into a 3rd world , anti-Christian, globalist country. Trump has no such plan. You guys need a re-education camp.

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Sep 12, 2019 20:30:00   #
drlarrygino (a regular here)
 
logan1965 wrote:
I also am a Veteran, a Disabled Vietnam Veteran that is retired from the Defence Dept. as a Logistics Specialist. Your analysis of this mentally flawed narcissist is spot on. I also agree that these spineless Republicans, ( McConnell, Graham, Jorden, Connelly, Paul, ) have sold their souls and a patriotic responsibility to the highest bidder, McConnell & Paul to Russia. These Republican Civil Servants have without integrity violated their Oath of Office and must be held accountable for their Anti-American activities. Trump and his family have time and time again violated the Emolument Government Laws not to mention the past backdoor banking fraud by Trump and his corrupt son in law Kirchner with the Israel and Russian mob. This family is dirty and is now using their corrupt financial scams inside the taxpayer's government institutions to enhance their personal wealth. Pelosi and Schumer in my estimation are contributors to this increased poisonous corruption in Washington by sitting on the fence and not taking the gloves off to do the job the voters of this Democracy elected them for, to protect and maintain the integrity of the United States, CONSTITUTION. This country is in a dangerous position of losing its Democratic culture, and let me inform the working-class voters of this country that I have been in 48 countries around this planet and believe me when I say you do not want to live under the totalitarian form of government that the majority of these countries use to enhance their personal wealth and dominate the lifestyle of their people. You, the VOTERS, hopefully still have a fair election process and control the destiny of the future for your children and grandchildren. DONT SCREW IT UP, THERE IS NO TOMORROW ONCE THESE UNETHICAL, CORRUPT CORPORATE BILLIONAIRES, LIKE TRUMP, SELL YOUR COUNTRY AND YOUR FREEDOM TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER FOR POWER AND PROFIT. YOU JUST MIGHT BE A CONTRIBUTOR TO THE FALL OF THE MODERN DAY ROMAN EMPIRE
I also am a Veteran, a Disabled Vietnam Veteran th... (show quote)


Fake news from another leftist.

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