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Sep 13, 2019 16:03:40   #
GmanTerry
 
Navigator wrote:
This is an easy one: Democrats believe, Republicans think and supporters of DJT know.





Semper Fi

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Sep 13, 2019 16:41:05   #
JoyV
 
[quote=Ricktloml][quote=JoyV]Sorry but usually when I hear from one of the left wing outlets that a certain document has certain information, I Google the document itself and usually find what they said was in it is either the opposite, is wildly exaggerated, or the way they worded it is very misleading. You mentioned the Mueller report. I challenge you to read it yourself. None of the mainstream news that I am aware of said the report stated No evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia was found. That is what is in the report.

I have read both part 1 and part 2 of the Mueller report.

I have also found Fox to have incorrect facts from time to time, and exaggerations. But not stating the opposite of what the facts are.

Nor have I heard statements such as "everyone knows". If I am wrong, please provide a transcript or link to such incidents.[/quote

It would appear for l*****ts, they believe what the abusively biased media, (populated with ex-Obama appointees and operatives,) tell them. When sworn testimony, official documents, whistleblowers, e-mails and text messages dispute left-wing claims, they are summarily dismissed. This borders on secular faith, not critical thinking[/quote]

Got news for you. A****a is not the only left wing violent organization.

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Sep 13, 2019 22:18:36   #
Ricktloml
 
JoyV wrote:
The N**I f**g committed violence? Was it in a conspiracy with the violent gun to revolt against humans?

No seriously, the N**I f**g is a symbol. A symbol of National Socialism. And a symbol of the atrocities committed under National Socialism. But the symbol is not the violence. Now if you show pictures of people waving or wearing the f**g while committing violence that would be one more example of left wing violence. But what I asked for was photos of right wing violence.


Must be like when the New York Times said that planes attacked the Twin Towers

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Sep 14, 2019 02:24:01   #
Ricktloml
 
JoyV wrote:
Got news for you. A****a is not the only left wing violent organization.


Right you are. We don't hear about them because they are covered for by the useless, corrupted propaganda press

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Sep 14, 2019 07:49:53   #
debeda
 
Ricktloml wrote:
Right you are. We don't hear about them because they are covered for by the useless, corrupted propaganda press


If mentioned, they're "protestors".

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Sep 26, 2019 00:24:46   #
manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA
 
JoyV wrote:
Jonathan Capehart of the Washington Post reported in 2015 that the Ferguson police gunned down an unarmed man who had his hands up and saying "Don't shoot." He went on to decry police r****m and brutality. Touble is, Michael Brown was NOT trying to surrender to police but had actually attacked and was trying to take the cops gun. This story is what inspired Black L***s M****r. The whole anti-cop movement is based on f**e news by WaPo.

The Daily News reported Bergdahl had been captured and praised Obama for making the exchange of the Gitmo terrorists to save an Army hero. This was related TO the media in a Rose Garden press breifing by Obama. Turns out the hero was a deserter and the 5 terrorists released were some of the most dangerous ones at Gitmo.

This one can't be set at any single media outlet's door as the originator. Like the Bergdahlstory, it oiginated with the Obama administration, but the media ran with it. The f**e story was that a video was the cause of the B******i attack on our Ambassador.

November 10, 2016, Washingtom Post's Morning Mix reported 8 t*********r teens committed suicide due to Trump being elected. No other details were forthcoming. Suicide hotlines saw no spike in suicide rates for any group. Though t*********r suicides are always far higher than other demographics.

On November 22, 2016, Gabriel Sherman reported in the New York Magazine that “a group of prominent computer scientists and e******n lawyers” were demanding a recount in three separate states because of “persuasive evidence that [the e******n] results in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania may have been manipulated or hacked.” The evidence? Apparently, “in Wisconsin, Clinton received 7 percent fewer v**es in counties that relied on electronic-v****g machines compared with counties that used optical scanners and paper b****ts.” After the story had gone v***l, they made a correction when one of the scientists names demanded a retraction because he was misrepresented.

December 1, 2016, Lorraine Woellert of Politico published a shocking essay claiming that Trump’s pick for secretary of the Treasury, Steve Mnuchin, had overseen a company that “foreclosed on a 90-year-old woman after a 27-cent payment error.” According to Woellert: “After confusion over insurance coverage, a OneWest subsidiary sent [Ossie] Lofton a bill for $423.30. She sent a check for $423. The bank sent another bill, for 30 cents. Lofton, 90, sent a check for three cents. In November 2014, the bank foreclosed.” The story turned out to be a total fabrication.

On the day of Trump’s inauguration, CNN claimed Nancy Sinatra was “not happy” with the fact that the president and first lady’s inaugural dance would be to the tune of Frank Sinatra’s “My Way.” The problem? Nancy Sinatra had never said any such thing.

Also on the day of the inauguration, New York Times writer Coral Davenport published an article on the Times’s website whose headline claimed that the Trump administration had “purged” any “c*****e c****e references” from the White House website. Turns out it was part of a routine turnover of digital authority between administrations.

On January 20, 2017, Time reporter Zeke Miller wrote that a bust of Martin Luther King Jr. had been removed from the White House. But the bust had notonly not been renoved, it hadn't even been moved from its spot at all.

On January 26, 2017, the Washington Post’s Josh Rogin published what seemed to be a bombshell report declaring that “the State Department’s entire senior management team just resigned.” This resignation, according to Rogin, was “part of an ongoing mass exodus of senior Foreign Service officers who don’t want to stick around for the Trump era.” These resignations happened “suddenly” and “unexpectedly.” After the story broke, Mark Toner, the acting spokesman for the State Department, put out a press release noting that “As is standard with every t***sition, the outgoing administration, in coordination with the incoming one, requested all politically appointed officers submit letters of resignation.” This doesn't mean all or even most of the resignations are accepted. WaPo never apologized or made a retraction.

On January 27, Observer writer Dana Schwartz tweeted out a screenshot of Trump that, in her eyes, proved President Trump had “photoshopped his hands bigger” for a White House photograph. Her tweet immediately went v***l, being shared upwards of 25,000 times. A similar tweet by Disney animator Joaquin Baldwin was shared nearly 9,000 times as well. The conspiracy theory was eventually debunked, but not before it had been shared thousands upon thousands of times. Meanwhile, Schwartz tweeted that she did “not know for sure whether or not the hands were shopped.” Her correction tweet was shared a grand total of…11 times.

On January 31, 2017, Huffington Post reported that “A local business owner who flew to Iraq to bring his mother back home to the US for medical treatment said she was blocked from returning home under President Trump’s ban on immigration and travel from seven predominately Muslim nations. He said that while she was waiting for approval to fly home, she died from an illness.” Turns out his mother's death happened weeks before the travel restrictions were even discussed.

On February 1, 2017, Yahoo News published an Associated Press report about a phone call President Trump shared with Mexican president Enrique Pena Nieto. The report strongly implied that President Trump was considering “send[ing] U.S. troops” to curb Mexico’s “bad hombre” problem, although it acknowledged that the Mexican government disagreed with that interpretation. The White House later re-affirmed that Trump did not have any plan to “invade Mexico."

NBC News national correspondent Peter Alexander tweeted out the following: “BREAKING: US Treasury Dept easing Obama admin sanctions to allow companies to do t***sactions with Russia’s FSB, successor org to KGB.” Turns out A it’s was a technical fix, planned under Obama, to avoid unintended consequences of cybersanctions.” At a later date Trump replaced Obama's ineffective sanctions with stronger sanctions. Again, the story was reported as Trump eliminating Russian sanctions without mentioning he was replacing them with stronger sanctions.

At the start of February, which is Black History Month in the United States, TMZ reported Trump declared it to be National African American History Month. TMZ called him r****t for replacing "black" with "African American." Problem is, it was Obama who made that announcement.

On February 2, the Associated Press touched off a political and media firestorm by tweeting: “BREAKING: House v**es to roll back Obama rule on background checks for gun ownership.” The AP was retweeted a staggering 12,000 times. Trouble is, in the first place it was a House v**e and nothing to do with Trump. In the 2nd it wasn't true. The House was actually v****g to repeal a narrowly tailored rule from the Obama era. This rule mandated that the names of certain individuals who receive Social Security Disability Insurance and Supplemental Security Income and who use a representative to help manage these benefits due to a mental impairment be forwarded to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System. The Obama rule was opposed by the American Association of People With Disabilities; the ACLU; the Arc of the United States; the Autistic Self-Advocacy Network; the Consortium of Citizens With Disabilities; the National Coalition of Mental Health Recovery; and many, many other disability advocacy organizations and networks.

On Sept. 18, 2005, NBC Nightly News anchor John Seigenthaler said, “scientists studying the earth’s climate say we are experiencing stronger hurricanes in this century, a trend that’s likely to continue.” Which scientists were never mentioned. In 2006 CBS’s Hannah Storm predicted Katrina-like storms would happen “all along our Atlantic and Gulf coastlines,” and CBS anchor Russ Mitchell said there was “no end in sight” for big hurricanes. We have had NO increase in big hurricanes. We still get occasional big hurricanes spaced many years apart, and the average number of average sized hurricanes.

MSM response to Fidel Castro's death was to laud him as a great leader and tout his great healthcare available to all.

Is that enoughfor a start?
Jonathan Capehart of the Washington Post reported ... (show quote)


Definitely calling the MSM out as f**ers! How you obtained this set of f**es is beyond me. Good on you!!

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Sep 26, 2019 02:23:28   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
woodguru wrote:
Thinkers weigh facts and think what they mean, and make decisions accordingly. Higher forms of thinking and processing may have already made up their minds, but new facts can easily cause them to modify or change their thinking. Faced with opposing information they will want to hear about and find out more. Believers choose the sources they decide to believe, and the ones they have decided to believe do not even have to make any logical sense or fit known facts. New information that opposes already formed belief causes anger and denial, they will shut down and refuse to hear anything else.

Thinkers have the ability to absorb new information that is not what they want to hear.

Faced with opposing facts, believers resort to attacks on unrelated and irrelevant, think about responses to a Trump incident with the "but what about Hillary or Obama"?
Thinkers weigh facts and think what they mean, and... (show quote)
Everyone thinks, even r****ds, i***ts and fish. We could get nothing done if we did not think.

Everyone believes in something, even r****ds, i***ts and fish. But not everyone is capable of reasoning, creative thinking, or discriminate thought.

Not everyone believes in the things they think about and not everyone thinks about the things they believe.

Believers weigh facts and think about what they mean, and make decisions accordingly.

Believers have the ability to absorb new information that is not what they want to hear.

Thinkers choose the sources they decide to think about, and the ones they have decided to believe do not even have to make any logical sense or fit known facts.

Thinkers resort to attacks on unrelated and irrelevant issues and believe their responses to a Trump incident are facts.

Thinkers must learn how to believe and believers must learn how to think.

Thinking and/or believing don't mean much without wisdom.

God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
the courage to change the things I can,
And the wisdom to know the difference.

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Sep 27, 2019 19:24:52   #
rumitoid
 
debeda wrote:
If mentioned, they're "protestors".


Wow. Left without hope.

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Sep 27, 2019 19:49:02   #
rumitoid
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Everyone thinks, even r****ds, i***ts and fish. We could get nothing done if we did not think.

Everyone believes in something, even r****ds, i***ts and fish. But not everyone is capable of reasoning, creative thinking, or discriminate thought.

Not everyone believes in the things they think about and not everyone thinks about the things they believe.

Believers weigh facts and think about what they mean, and make decisions accordingly.

Believers have the ability to absorb new information that is not what they want to hear.

Thinkers choose the sources they decide to think about, and the ones they have decided to believe do not even have to make any logical sense or fit known facts.

Thinkers resort to attacks on unrelated and irrelevant issues and believe their responses to a Trump incident are facts.

Thinkers must learn how to believe and believers must learn how to think.

Thinking and/or believing don't mean much without wisdom.

God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
the courage to change the things I can,
And the wisdom to know the difference.
Everyone thinks, even r****ds, i***ts and fish. We... (show quote)


"Thinkers must learn how to believe and believers must learn how to think." To think about anything to find a solution or the t***h requires doubt. Tested by science or as to belief by the rule of the Devil's Advocate. But to a believer, such an exercise is almost, or is, sacrilege: challenge God's Holy Word in the Bible?

Belief is the worst thing in a Christian. Jesus advised many times against it. "To act as a little child" is not a belief to hold and defend in one's mind: it is to do. Everything about his message is to do, not form denominations and sects, Articles of Faith or any other system of faith. Evidence: they all argue amongst themselves and miss Paul's instructions. 4 "There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all." Eph4:4-6.

Christian belief is destroying the Church of Christ. Jesus offered belief in this way and this way only: as a t***sformative agent of action, not a base for the Church. Belief is the egg of Christian belief. No, better, it is the chrysalis. We are t***sformed into a "new creation": "The old has gone, the new is here!" As in caterpillar crawling on the ground to what soars, the butterfly.

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Sep 27, 2019 22:58:18   #
Rose42
 
rumitoid wrote:
"Thinkers must learn how to believe and believers must learn how to think." To think about anything to find a solution or the t***h requires doubt. Tested by science or as to belief by the rule of the Devil's Advocate. But to a believer, such an exercise is almost, or is, sacrilege: challenge God's Holy Word in the Bible?

Belief is the worst thing in a Christian. Jesus advised many times against it. "To act as a little child" is not a belief to hold and defend in one's mind: it is to do. Everything about his message is to do, not form denominations and sects, Articles of Faith or any other system of faith. Evidence: they all argue amongst themselves and miss Paul's instructions. 4 "There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all." Eph4:4-6.

Christian belief is destroying the Church of Christ. Jesus offered belief in this way and this way only: as a t***sformative agent of action, not a base for the Church. Belief is the egg of Christian belief. No, better, it is the chrysalis. We are t***sformed into a "new creation": "The old has gone, the new is here!" As in caterpillar crawling on the ground to what soars, the butterfly.
"Thinkers must learn how to believe and belie... (show quote)


You really should stop posting about Christianity. You don’t know what it means to be a Christian.

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Sep 28, 2019 01:12:40   #
rumitoid
 
Rose42 wrote:
You really should stop posting about Christianity. You don’t know what it means to be a Christian.


You should really open your ears. And I know what it means to be a Christian. However, I will not be so petty and base as to challenge you on that point.

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Sep 29, 2019 03:52:19   #
Rose42
 
rumitoid wrote:
You should really open your ears. And I know what it means to be a Christian. However, I will not be so petty and base as to challenge you on that point.


Do you? You deny the Trinity, think the bible isn’t the true word of God, God’s a narcissist and was wrong to Job, Revelation should not have been included in the bible, Proverbs is too simplistic, God disobeyed His own commandment, hope for a Christian is ridiculous and many more.

Add to that the most important is you don’t know what it means to be saved.

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