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Sep 10, 2019 13:38:24   #
Lonewolf
 
bahmer wrote:
This is the main reason for not going along with the state run insurance programs like they have in Canada because it all comes down to some bureaucrat deciding on your treatment instead of a doctor which would I hope have your best interest at heart. Just look at the mess Washington is in and then ask yourself if you really want them in control of your healthcare. My answer is no way do I want them even close to my healthcare.


private insurance is the same way they just refuse to pay

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Sep 10, 2019 13:42:43   #
bahmer
 
Lonewolf wrote:
private insurance is the same way they just refuse to pay


Just go to the emergency room in America and they have to treat you under the law. They can't turn you away. That is where all of the i*****l a***ns go for there doctor visits is the emergency room.

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Sep 10, 2019 14:12:14   #
Lonewolf
 
bahmer wrote:
Just go to the emergency room in America and they have to treat you under the law. They can't turn you away. That is where all of the i*****l a***ns go for there doctor visits is the emergency room.


Your right but they will only be patched up no t***splants no expensive care

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Sep 10, 2019 14:15:28   #
bahmer
 
Lonewolf wrote:
Your right but they will only be patched up no t***splants no expensive care


At that point you go and rob a store and get locked up and the state will pay for all of your medical treatments including t***splants and new joints like knees and hips etc. they will also pay for open heart surgery and repairing your arteries.

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Sep 10, 2019 15:18:51   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
Armageddun wrote:
Canadian Sean Tagert, aged 41, was k**led by assisted suicide after health officials decided to cut the funding for his in-home care hours.

Mr. Tagert suffered from Motor Neurone Disease (MND) which is known in Canada as Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis (ALS). His illness reduced his ability to move his body, eat or speak, however his mental awareness remained unaffected. Doctors recommended 24-hour in-home care to support Mr. Tagert.

However, Vancouver Coastal Health, initially only offered Mr. Tagert 15.5 hours of care a day, which was then raised to 20 hours a day, meaning that Mr. Tagert was forced to pay $263.50 a day for the remaining care that he needed to survive.
Welcome to the great Canadian healthcare system

According to Grandin Media, on social media, Mr. Tagert wrote a status which explained that two Vancouver Coastal Health officials visited his home and confirmed that they were cutting funding for his already inadequate care hours.

After receiving this news Mr. Tagert wrote a number of devastating social media status’s which read: “So last Friday I officially submitted my medically assisted death paperwork, with lawyers and doctors, everything is in proper order. It’s been a month since I submitted my appeal to the Vancouver Coastal Health patient care quality department. They didn’t even respond….Welcome to the great Canadian healthcare system.”

Mr. Tagert was k**led by assisted suicide on August 6th.

Canada is home to some of the world’s most sinister euthanasia and assisted suicide laws, as even those without a terminal illness or those suffering from a mental illness are eligible to be k**led by a medically assisted death.

Since Canada legalized euthanasia in 2016, there have been at least 6,749 cases of medically assisted deaths, with over 803 dead in the first 6 months of legalization. 2018 saw Canada’s euthanasia figures soar with over 3000 Canadians k**led by their doctor.

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When the right to die becomes the duty to die

A ComRes poll found that nearly half of the British population is concerned that if the option of ending one’s life was made legal, some people would feel pressurized into k*****g themselves.

It is becoming increasingly evident that suicide laws could lead to vulnerable people seeing suicide as a treatment option, so as not to be a burden to others.

In a recent debate in the House Commons, MP Lynn McInnes expressed her concern at the very real possibility of the vulnerable being pressurized to die. Ms. McInnes said: “My concern is that in the current climate, at a time of over-stretched NHS budgets and massively under-funded social care, if assisted dying was legalized, it would begin to be seen as an alternative to treatment and to care. There is a very real risk of a subtle yet dangerous culture change, in which vulnerable, terminally ill patients, come to see assisted dying as a treatment option, and indeed the best way to stop themselves becoming a burden to their families, to the NHS and to wider society.”

MP Jim Shannon also stated during the debate, that “the ‘right to die’ for the eloquent and well off would become a duty to die for the poor and vulnerable.”
We have a duty to protect the vulnerable

Director of SPUC’s Patients First Network, Antonia Tully said: “If assisted dying is legalized in Britain it could lead to a reduction in the quality of healthcare and risks promoting death as an alternative to medical treatment. We have a duty to protect the vulnerable, who deserve good healthcare and respect.”

Ms. Tully continued: “Mr. Tagert’s story should serve as a glaring warning to our MPs that assisted dying can make vulnerable people even more vulnerable. Assisted suicide is an inhumane response to suffering. It is a dangerous route to go down.”

LifeNews Note: Courtesy of SPUC. The Society for the Protection of Unborn Children is a leading pro-life organization in the United Kingdom.
Canadian Sean Tagert, aged 41, was k**led by assis... (show quote)


Just wait until US insurance carriers hear about Canada's cost saving program.

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Sep 10, 2019 15:22:16   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Just wait until US insurance carriers hear about Canada's cost saving program.


Yes and Canada waiting list for some procedures is very,very long...Not in America though!!!

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Sep 10, 2019 15:27:10   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
proud republican wrote:
Yes and Canada waiting list for some procedures is very,very long...Not in America though!!!


Right, if you've got the cash, you can get right in!

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Sep 10, 2019 15:29:07   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Right, if you've got the cash, you can get right in!


Its everywhere!!!..Unfortunately money talks!!!

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Sep 10, 2019 17:19:12   #
JustMPat
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
Our death is Gods decision and should be left in his hands. No matter what the situation, there’s a reason for it and as human beings, creatures of God, we should bow to his decision and remain faithful. PS it has nothing to do with monetary budgets. That’s how far down the pipes we’ve pushed Christianity. Shame on us.



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Sep 10, 2019 17:38:46   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
proud republican wrote:
Its everywhere!!!..Unfortunately money talks!!!


Yep, money talks and the middle class and below get screwed.

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Sep 11, 2019 05:59:54   #
Tug484
 
Armageddun wrote:
Canadian Sean Tagert, aged 41, was k**led by assisted suicide after health officials decided to cut the funding for his in-home care hours.

Mr. Tagert suffered from Motor Neurone Disease (MND) which is known in Canada as Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis (ALS). His illness reduced his ability to move his body, eat or speak, however his mental awareness remained unaffected. Doctors recommended 24-hour in-home care to support Mr. Tagert.

However, Vancouver Coastal Health, initially only offered Mr. Tagert 15.5 hours of care a day, which was then raised to 20 hours a day, meaning that Mr. Tagert was forced to pay $263.50 a day for the remaining care that he needed to survive.
Welcome to the great Canadian healthcare system

According to Grandin Media, on social media, Mr. Tagert wrote a status which explained that two Vancouver Coastal Health officials visited his home and confirmed that they were cutting funding for his already inadequate care hours.

After receiving this news Mr. Tagert wrote a number of devastating social media status’s which read: “So last Friday I officially submitted my medically assisted death paperwork, with lawyers and doctors, everything is in proper order. It’s been a month since I submitted my appeal to the Vancouver Coastal Health patient care quality department. They didn’t even respond….Welcome to the great Canadian healthcare system.”

Mr. Tagert was k**led by assisted suicide on August 6th.

Canada is home to some of the world’s most sinister euthanasia and assisted suicide laws, as even those without a terminal illness or those suffering from a mental illness are eligible to be k**led by a medically assisted death.

Since Canada legalized euthanasia in 2016, there have been at least 6,749 cases of medically assisted deaths, with over 803 dead in the first 6 months of legalization. 2018 saw Canada’s euthanasia figures soar with over 3000 Canadians k**led by their doctor.

Click here to sign up for pro-life news alerts from LifeNews.com
When the right to die becomes the duty to die

A ComRes poll found that nearly half of the British population is concerned that if the option of ending one’s life was made legal, some people would feel pressurized into k*****g themselves.

It is becoming increasingly evident that suicide laws could lead to vulnerable people seeing suicide as a treatment option, so as not to be a burden to others.

In a recent debate in the House Commons, MP Lynn McInnes expressed her concern at the very real possibility of the vulnerable being pressurized to die. Ms. McInnes said: “My concern is that in the current climate, at a time of over-stretched NHS budgets and massively under-funded social care, if assisted dying was legalized, it would begin to be seen as an alternative to treatment and to care. There is a very real risk of a subtle yet dangerous culture change, in which vulnerable, terminally ill patients, come to see assisted dying as a treatment option, and indeed the best way to stop themselves becoming a burden to their families, to the NHS and to wider society.”

MP Jim Shannon also stated during the debate, that “the ‘right to die’ for the eloquent and well off would become a duty to die for the poor and vulnerable.”
We have a duty to protect the vulnerable

Director of SPUC’s Patients First Network, Antonia Tully said: “If assisted dying is legalized in Britain it could lead to a reduction in the quality of healthcare and risks promoting death as an alternative to medical treatment. We have a duty to protect the vulnerable, who deserve good healthcare and respect.”

Ms. Tully continued: “Mr. Tagert’s story should serve as a glaring warning to our MPs that assisted dying can make vulnerable people even more vulnerable. Assisted suicide is an inhumane response to suffering. It is a dangerous route to go down.”

LifeNews Note: Courtesy of SPUC. The Society for the Protection of Unborn Children is a leading pro-life organization in the United Kingdom.
Canadian Sean Tagert, aged 41, was k**led by assis... (show quote)


No, certainly not.
It isn't man's right to die or assist in someone's death.

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Sep 11, 2019 10:11:11   #
JoyV
 
bahmer wrote:
I know but those that don't know God are the ones that will opt for assisted suicide and that is the area where they really need counseling and to know what God says and wants for us.


But the state can still give them a death sentence whether the choose to refuse suicide or let the state's decision run its course. I'm thinking of Norman Duwis. He was refused medical treatment for a heart attack because of his age. Here was the holder of the Victoria cross, and other awards for his role in the winning of WWII and his contributions to motor sports and motor vehicle safety by developing the disc brakes, and he is told he is too old to be allowed to live.

This did not happen in Canada but in England earlier this year.

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Sep 11, 2019 10:14:35   #
JoyV
 
bahmer wrote:
At that point you go and rob a store and get locked up and the state will pay for all of your medical treatments including t***splants and new joints like knees and hips etc. they will also pay for open heart surgery and repairing your arteries.


Also for g****r reassignment surgery.

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Sep 11, 2019 10:17:16   #
kemmer
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
That is all part of God’s purpose.

It is never God's purpose for one to suffer endlessly or be held in a vegetative state by drugs with no possibility of ever recovering. What is wrong with someone utilizing the last shred of human dignity by consciously deciding on the time to go? God is not a sadist, presumably.

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Sep 11, 2019 15:52:50   #
Tug484
 
JoyV wrote:
But the state can still give them a death sentence whether the choose to refuse suicide or let the state's decision run its course. I'm thinking of Norman Duwis. He was refused medical treatment for a heart attack because of his age. Here was the holder of the Victoria cross, and other awards for his role in the winning of WWII and his contributions to motor sports and motor vehicle safety by developing the disc brakes, and he is told he is too old to be allowed to live.

This did not happen in Canada but in England earlier this year.
But the state can still give them a death sentence... (show quote)

There are some states were drs. have the final say.
Texas is one state that can pull the plug on a life.

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