Con's need to watch out for Red F**g laws.. Cons need to watch what they say and where they say it as Oregon is taking away guns when threats are made...

PeterS

Cons need to watch what they say and where they say it as Oregon is taking away guns when threats are made...

https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2019/08/an-ex-marine-said-hed-slaughter-a****a-the-fbi-using-oregons-new-red-f**g-law-took-his-guns-away.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=theoregonian_sf&fbclid=IwAR01rXkq3kRFE_mHpV0bZVAJBBj5IG_BaDvlYbFL0joDQPmJ6ao25XtW5H4

debeda

PeterS wrote:

Cons need to watch what they say and where they say it as Oregon is taking away guns when threats are made...

https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2019/08/an-ex-marine-said-hed-slaughter-a****a-the-fbi-using-oregons-new-red-f**g-law-took-his-guns-away.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=theoregonian_sf&fbclid=IwAR01rXkq3kRFE_mHpV0bZVAJBBj5IG_BaDvlYbFL0joDQPmJ6ao25XtW5H4

EVERY American needs to by leery of red f**g laws. Its putting the thought police in charge. Happy days when the thoughts align with yours. Not so much when they don't. Heres a list of things red f**g laws could be used for:
-You Express that you are against a******n. Some people have bombed a******n clinics. You need to be "assessed".
- You express that you're against enforcing border laws and think the manner it's done is draconian. Some people have bombed ICE facilities and shot at border agents. You need to be assessed.
-You're a teen and really dislike your teachers and/or some classmates. Some students have shot up schools. You need to be assessed.
-You express dislike for a certain political party or ideology. Politicians and churches have been shot. You need to be assessed.
- You Express a dislike for certain groups of people. Groups of people have been targeted due to bigotry. You need to be assessed.

These laws are a slippery slope. Especially in this age of social media and over use of alcohol and drugs.

peg w

A red f**g law would have saved my girlfriend's life. No one has the right to k**l someone.

Lonewolf

peg w wrote:

A red f**g law would have saved my girlfriend's life. No one has the right to k**l someone.

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debeda

peg w wrote:

A red f**g law would have saved my girlfriend's life. No one has the right to k**l someone.

So sorry for your loss

MR Mister Loc: Washington DC

PeterS wrote:

Cons need to watch what they say and where they say it as Oregon is taking away guns when threats are made...

https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2019/08/an-ex-marine-said-hed-slaughter-a****a-the-fbi-using-oregons-new-red-f**g-law-took-his-guns-away.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=theoregonian_sf&fbclid=IwAR01rXkq3kRFE_mHpV0bZVAJBBj5IG_BaDvlYbFL0joDQPmJ6ao25XtW5H4

The left always gets a free pass. Just look at Hillary, Clapper, Brennan, James Comey, Obama.

youngwilliam Loc: Deep in the heart

PeterS wrote:

Cons need to watch what they say and where they say it as Oregon is taking away guns when threats are made...

https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2019/08/an-ex-marine-said-hed-slaughter-a****a-the-fbi-using-oregons-new-red-f**g-law-took-his-guns-away.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=theoregonian_sf&fbclid=IwAR01rXkq3kRFE_mHpV0bZVAJBBj5IG_BaDvlYbFL0joDQPmJ6ao25XtW5H4

Yeah, some libs need to be careful when they talk about shooting the President with a suppressed bolt action rifle. Right petey.

Smedley_buzkill

PeterS wrote:

Cons need to watch what they say and where they say it as Oregon is taking away guns when threats are made...

https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2019/08/an-ex-marine-said-hed-slaughter-a****a-the-fbi-using-oregons-new-red-f**g-law-took-his-guns-away.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=theoregonian_sf&fbclid=IwAR01rXkq3kRFE_mHpV0bZVAJBBj5IG_BaDvlYbFL0joDQPmJ6ao25XtW5H4

I think I'll report you, if Texas should ever pass red f**g laws. I don't have to face you in court; all I have to do is make a bulls**t statement to the cops, and good luck suing me when and if it proves untrue. In FL, cops, doctors and officers of the court can use red f**g laws, AFTER they make their statement UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY. It's like a search warrant. You must present a judge with probable cause, and you are held liable for false statements, unlike in MD where anyone can make a bulls**t anonymous statement and cops come after you with a no knock warrant.
Red f**g laws violate the 4th and 5th Amendments. You are considered guilty until proven innocent at your own expense, and rarely get the speedy trial the Constitution demands.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

MR Mister wrote:

The left always gets a free pass. Just look at Hillary, Clapper, Brennan, James Comey, Obama.

What about them?

Did they threaten to shoot someone??

what make believe crime are you thinking about at this late date..

how about those tariffs, they working at your house?

youngwilliam Loc: Deep in the heart

permafrost wrote:

What about them?

Did they threaten to shoot someone??

what make believe crime are you thinking about at this late date..

how about those tariffs, they working at your house?

Make believe crimes, you are more blind than I thought, or is willfully ignorant. What a maroon. Do me a favor and don't reply, I really don't care to hear what you have to say.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

youngwilliam wrote:

Make believe crimes, you are more blind than I thought, or is willfully ignorant. What a maroon. Do me a favor and don't reply, I really don't care to hear what you have to say.

You are the one with nothing to say..

I make a challenge to produce any fact and all you can do is make up some mild insult..

This is OPP, if you want to insult that matters, it had better be a tough one..

Don`t be wishy washy or just keep your nikkers in a bind.. get it done!!!

If you have not facts and no good insult and not even any good opinion of your own..

turn on the TV and go to sleep..

youngwilliam Loc: Deep in the heart

permafrost wrote:

You are the one with nothing to say..

I make a challenge to produce any fact and all you can do is make up some mild insult..

This is OPP, if you want to insult that matters, it had better be a tough one..

Don`t be wishy washy or just keep your nikkers in a bind.. get it done!!!

If you have not facts and no good insult and not even any good opinion of your own..

turn on the TV and go to sleep..

Sorry, you're the one making unsubstantiated accusations and denying the t***h. You deny deny deny as if doing so will miraculously change the t***h into fitting your fantasy outlook of the world. You need to get out of the land of muzzies, eh.

MR Mister Loc: Washington DC

permafrost wrote:

What about them?

Did they threaten to shoot someone??

what make believe crime are you thinking about at this late date..

how about those tariffs, they working at your house?

They worked to take down our government, each one of them.

You should tell China to drop their tariffs, they add $45,000 to a Harly coming into there country, you think that's OK?

O' your h**e is showing again!

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

MR Mister wrote:

They worked to take down our government, each one of them.

You should tell China to drop their tariffs, they add $45,000 to a Harly coming into there country, you think that's OK?

O' your h**e is showing again!

You got your directions mixed.. China putting tariffs on the US limits what we sell to China..

It is the trump tariffs that add cost to that harly you want..

Must be a heck of a bike if 15% tariff add $45,000 to the cost..

Send us all a picture when you get it.. Love to see it..

Bet it is nicer then this one...

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

MR Mister wrote:

The left always gets a free pass. Just look at Hillary, Clapper, Brennan, James Comey, Obama.

Now, look at what you've done. You just opened the door for the progressive morons to unload more of their TDS sewage. This isn't about Hillary, Clapper, Brennan, and Comey.

As debeda said, red f**g laws are a slippery slope that will effect EVERYONE, not just "cons", or even gun owners. Someone has issues with you, doesn't like you, doesn't have a clue whether or not you have guns, thinks you are a threat, they can report you under the assumption that you are armed.

"Yes, officer, I think that asshole has guns in his house and he is acting really weird."

"OK, mam, you think he has guns, have you seen him with any guns?"

"Well, no, but he looks like he has guns, he reminds me of all of those goddamned gun nuts. He has the evil eye."

"OK, mam, we'll check him out."

The Dangerously Slippery Slope of Red F**g Laws
By Tom Stark
August 16, 2019

In the current cycle of news and sensationalism surrounding the recent mass shootings, we are hearing a continual litany of calls for the passage of federal “Extreme Risk Protective Order” statutes, aka ‘Red F**g’ statutes, (aka Gun Control) in regards to our 2nd Amendment rights.

These proposed laws would allow untrained law enforcement officers, judges, or other citizens to make accusations and determinations when a report is made against a citizen who owns firearms.
In a nutshell (so to speak), based on someone’s allegations–that perhaps you are unbalanced and/or prone to violence–you will be given what amounts to a death sentence on your constitutional rights.

Recently I read two articles about Red F**g laws.They helped paint a picture of what is going to be a serious malfunction of our system of justice if this is any indication of what is in store under a federal Red F**g statute.

The first article (here) discusses a study done back in 1973 demonstrating that medical professionals are not capable of distinguishing between someone who is legitimately insane from someone who is faking it.

The extensive study brings into question whether the psychiatric profession isn’t simply making subjective judgments about people. Or he is merely able to pigeon-hole them into diagnoses that seem to fit a pre-conceived notion of what a particular mental illness is supposed to look like.

A recent statement from a noted psychiatrist seems to affirm the findings of the old study when he said that psychiatrists are actually making nothing more than a subjective decision about someone’s behavior because there is no way to know what is in the mind of a person with existing science.

The second article discusses the new DSM5 that is being published soon, and it is predicted to make matters worse as it attempts to medicalize even more normal human behavior is various circumstances.

The question that needs to be asked is this:

We have known for nearly 45 years that mental health “professionals” are unable to objectively establish criteria that allows someone’s mental health status to be evaluated. They are also unable to identify any violent tendencies in that person. So how can we even consider putting those responsibilities in the hands of untrained people that can deprive a citizen of their constitutional rights?

Put the above facts on top of these two very important items that separate America from every other country in the world:

For 240+ years America has based its entire existence on the principle that a person is innocent until proven guilty.

U.S. citizens cannot be charged with a crime that he/she “might commit”

On the surface, Red F**g measures might sound necessary and appropriate. But let’s take Maryland, for example, because they enacted such a law.

Within a short time of Maryland’s Red F**g, one citizen was shot and k**led while two police officers were injured. They were attempting an early morning court order to seize a citizen’s firearms based solely on a claim by a third party that the citizen had presented a risk of violence. That citizen had every right to believe he was innocent until proven guilty. He even had the right to believe he hadn’t committed any crimes before anyone entered his home to take his property without first having a hearing in which he could confront his accusers and present his defense against such action. That citizen died.

It is almost guaranteed that others will also die or face injury. Not to mention exceedingly high legal expenses to defend themselves against actions by those who decide to use these laws to exact vengeance or harass someone they don’t like or have a disagreement with.

Think ex-spouses, jealous co-workers, random people who may not like you for wh**ever reason from your past. ANYONE CAN REPORT YOU AS BEING UNFIT TO HANDLE A FIREARM.

It is simply not worth the risk to either the citizens targeted by such laws or our entire system of justice that hangs in the balance.

Consider this:

If the government can show up at your door in the wee hours of the morning to take your firearms without due process, what is to stop them from enacting laws that say that they can come and take your children, your money, your belongings, or your life?

The answer is: absolutely nothing!

Think about it…then call the White House and tell President Trump that you do not want him to sign any “Red F**g” legislation that makes it to his desk. Then pray he listens. If he doesn’t, then our only hope for the American Constitution is five members of the Supreme Court that see the danger and the clear violation of at least five Amendments in the Bill of Rights. Hope springs eternal.

While these proposed Red F**g measures ostensibly intend to prevent mass shootings, they have no more prospect of stopping such irrational behavior than spitting in the wind…