What Or Who Pays For "Socialist" Programs...There's More Money Than People Think: There are a group of programs that the GOP lumps together as entitlements, they are not one evil...

woodguru

There are a group of programs that the GOP lumps together as entitlements, they are not one evil socialist plot...

The first that has no business being lumped together with any other welfare or so called entitlement, but is always lumped with medicare for all...is social security

Social security is paid for by the beneficiaries who will be using it, it is by definition an insurance program, paid for entirely by the people who are ultimately going to be using it. It is a lifesaver for many americans that depend on it as their only retirement income.

The idea of medicare for all, or a single payer medical system has many models all over the world that can be studied to get ideas as to how it can work, some work better than others, but the fact of the matter is that there are dozens of smaller countries that manage to cover everyone with healthcare, both preventative and responsive to health crisis medicine.

The health industry has three sources of massive money that already goes into the healthcare system, insurance, pharmaceuticals, and hospitals. It is a fact that the insurance industry operates on a model that the cost of administration is around 50%, last I saw medicare operates their administration at around 12%. This is money that is not going to treating people, and much of it goes to staggeringly high salaries for upper management.

I think everyone knows that we have a pharmaceutical industry that is living large off of the government, and the government has been hamstrung as far as having any say what they have to pay this out of control industry. There is some sensible legislation being blocked right now that addresses some of the abuse in ways that would save money, but McConnell doesn't see fit to allow the senate to take a v**e on common sense bipartisan bills.

The hospital industry has gotten used to absurdly high emergency room billing, that costs a hundred times what simple care in a clinic setting costs. The government could back and promote a huge clinic system that would easily pay for itself in saved emergency room fees.

Money saved from reigning in for profit elements of the healthcare industry that are out of control.

Lonewolf

woodguru wrote:

There are a group of programs that the GOP lumps together as entitlements, they are not one evil socialist plot...

The first that has no business being lumped together with any other welfare or so called entitlement, but is always lumped with medicare for all...is social security

Social security is paid for by the beneficiaries who will be using it, it is by definition an insurance program, paid for entirely by the people who are ultimately going to be using it. It is a lifesaver for many americans that depend on it as their only retirement income.

The idea of medicare for all, or a single payer medical system has many models all over the world that can be studied to get ideas as to how it can work, some work better than others, but the fact of the matter is that there are dozens of smaller countries that manage to cover everyone with healthcare, both preventative and responsive to health crisis medicine.

The health industry has three sources of massive money that already goes into the healthcare system, insurance, pharmaceuticals, and hospitals. It is a fact that the insurance industry operates on a model that the cost of administration is around 50%, last I saw medicare operates their administration at around 12%. This is money that is not going to treating people, and much of it goes to staggeringly high salaries for upper management.

I think everyone knows that we have a pharmaceutical industry that is living large off of the government, and the government has been hamstrung as far as having any say what they have to pay this out of control industry. There is some sensible legislation being blocked right now that addresses some of the abuse in ways that would save money, but McConnell doesn't see fit to allow the senate to take a v**e on common sense bipartisan bills.

The hospital industry has gotten used to absurdly high emergency room billing, that costs a hundred times what simple care in a clinic setting costs. The government could back and promote a huge clinic system that would easily pay for itself in saved emergency room fees.

Money saved from reigning in for profit elements of the healthcare industry that are out of control.

There are a group of programs that the GOP lumps t... (show quote)

Lt. Rob Polans ret.

woodguru wrote:

There are a group of programs that the GOP lumps together as entitlements, they are not one evil socialist plot...

The first that has no business being lumped together with any other welfare or so called entitlement, but is always lumped with medicare for all...is social security

Social security is paid for by the beneficiaries who will be using it, it is by definition an insurance program, paid for entirely by the people who are ultimately going to be using it. It is a lifesaver for many americans that depend on it as their only retirement income.

The idea of medicare for all, or a single payer medical system has many models all over the world that can be studied to get ideas as to how it can work, some work better than others, but the fact of the matter is that there are dozens of smaller countries that manage to cover everyone with healthcare, both preventative and responsive to health crisis medicine.

The health industry has three sources of massive money that already goes into the healthcare system, insurance, pharmaceuticals, and hospitals. It is a fact that the insurance industry operates on a model that the cost of administration is around 50%, last I saw medicare operates their administration at around 12%. This is money that is not going to treating people, and much of it goes to staggeringly high salaries for upper management.

I think everyone knows that we have a pharmaceutical industry that is living large off of the government, and the government has been hamstrung as far as having any say what they have to pay this out of control industry. There is some sensible legislation being blocked right now that addresses some of the abuse in ways that would save money, but McConnell doesn't see fit to allow the senate to take a v**e on common sense bipartisan bills.

The hospital industry has gotten used to absurdly high emergency room billing, that costs a hundred times what simple care in a clinic setting costs. The government could back and promote a huge clinic system that would easily pay for itself in saved emergency room fees.

Money saved from reigning in for profit elements of the healthcare industry that are out of control.

There are a group of programs that the GOP lumps t... (show quote)

The only thing I may have an argument with is medicare for all. Medicare, no problem. Wait for the 2020 administration and we'll see what McConnel does, I'm not happy with him either, but I think he has a game or time plan. There's a thing I was told, certain doctors pushing new FDA pharmaceuticals get $70,000 to keep their mouths closed at the poison aspect. Then within a fewmonths, we see commercials 'if you've taken drug x call__________'

badbob85037

woodguru wrote:

There are a group of programs that the GOP lumps together as entitlements, they are not one evil socialist plot...

The first that has no business being lumped together with any other welfare or so called entitlement, but is always lumped with medicare for all...is social security

Social security is paid for by the beneficiaries who will be using it, it is by definition an insurance program, paid for entirely by the people who are ultimately going to be using it. It is a lifesaver for many americans that depend on it as their only retirement income.

The idea of medicare for all, or a single payer medical system has many models all over the world that can be studied to get ideas as to how it can work, some work better than others, but the fact of the matter is that there are dozens of smaller countries that manage to cover everyone with healthcare, both preventative and responsive to health crisis medicine.

The health industry has three sources of massive money that already goes into the healthcare system, insurance, pharmaceuticals, and hospitals. It is a fact that the insurance industry operates on a model that the cost of administration is around 50%, last I saw medicare operates their administration at around 12%. This is money that is not going to treating people, and much of it goes to staggeringly high salaries for upper management.

I think everyone knows that we have a pharmaceutical industry that is living large off of the government, and the government has been hamstrung as far as having any say what they have to pay this out of control industry. There is some sensible legislation being blocked right now that addresses some of the abuse in ways that would save money, but McConnell doesn't see fit to allow the senate to take a v**e on common sense bipartisan bills.

The hospital industry has gotten used to absurdly high emergency room billing, that costs a hundred times what simple care in a clinic setting costs. The government could back and promote a huge clinic system that would easily pay for itself in saved emergency room fees.

Money saved from reigning in for profit elements of the healthcare industry that are out of control.

There are a group of programs that the GOP lumps t... (show quote)

Have you been to an emergency room in the last 8 years? They are full of i******s that use them as their family doctor. Only this family doctor gives his service for free. The pharmaceutical industry is the largest lobbyist in DC paying over 5 times that of number two so don't expect any politician to speek out on these crooks poisoning us. Remember when all the home remities vanished from the shelf. You can thank the Drug User Fee Act for that. $1 million must be given to the FDA to approve a drug. A fee most small companies could not afford. But a million on drugs that make millions a day profit world wide is nothing.

Every member of the FDA has financial ties with the pharmaceutical industry. The industry makes an average of $6.5 million a day from the over 200 drugs to cure chemical imbalances alone. Forget the fact these drugs were present at every school shooting. Forget the fact no one even knows what a chemical imbalance is. The FDA is approving twice the number of drugs in half the time. Our elected leaders, both parties allow this poisoning of us with their greed. Not just drugs for chemical imbalances but everything including surgically installed devises for birth control.

It's bad enough we allow these criminals dump fluoride in our water but to pay crazy high prizes for drugs that have little to no benefits but a long list of side effects including death is madness. How many hospitals have gone belly up in your area due to the abuse of our emergency room laws by i******s?

roy

Lt. Rob Polans ret. wrote:

The only thing I may have an argument with is medicare for all. Medicare, no problem. Wait for the 2020 administration and we'll see what McConnel does, I'm not happy with him either, but I think he has a game or time plan. There's a thing I was told, certain doctors pushing new FDA pharmaceuticals get $70,000 to keep their mouths closed at the poison aspect. Then within a fewmonths, we see commercials 'if you've taken drug x call__________'

The question you should ask yourself is if the republicans have a plan at all after just how many years have they say they have a better plan.Now all you here is after the 2020 e******n they may release a plan,so if they really have a plan release it now,but i think they know if they release their plan before the e******n there wouldnt be another republican elected.The democrates should be hitting them hard everyday till the e******n on healthcare,but the democrates are just as stupid as the republicans because their all in it together.

Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ

woodguru wrote:

There are a group of programs that the GOP lumps together as entitlements, they are not one evil socialist plot...

The first that has no business being lumped together with any other welfare or so called entitlement, but is always lumped with medicare for all...is social security

Social security is paid for by the beneficiaries who will be using it, it is by definition an insurance program, paid for entirely by the people who are ultimately going to be using it. It is a lifesaver for many americans that depend on it as their only retirement income.

The idea of medicare for all, or a single payer medical system has many models all over the world that can be studied to get ideas as to how it can work, some work better than others, but the fact of the matter is that there are dozens of smaller countries that manage to cover everyone with healthcare, both preventative and responsive to health crisis medicine.

The health industry has three sources of massive money that already goes into the healthcare system, insurance, pharmaceuticals, and hospitals. It is a fact that the insurance industry operates on a model that the cost of administration is around 50%, last I saw medicare operates their administration at around 12%. This is money that is not going to treating people, and much of it goes to staggeringly high salaries for upper management.

I think everyone knows that we have a pharmaceutical industry that is living large off of the government, and the government has been hamstrung as far as having any say what they have to pay this out of control industry. There is some sensible legislation being blocked right now that addresses some of the abuse in ways that would save money, but McConnell doesn't see fit to allow the senate to take a v**e on common sense bipartisan bills.

The hospital industry has gotten used to absurdly high emergency room billing, that costs a hundred times what simple care in a clinic setting costs. The government could back and promote a huge clinic system that would easily pay for itself in saved emergency room fees.

Money saved from reigning in for profit elements of the healthcare industry that are out of control.

There are a group of programs that the GOP lumps t... (show quote)

All of this was simply because of the ACA. After it was installed costs in all areas of health care sky rocketed. At the time my wife's health insurance doubled.

bggamers Loc: georgia

badbob85037 wrote:

Have you been to an emergency room in the last 8 y... (show quote)

when the influx began here maybe 10 yrs ago they wiped out our health dept yearly budget in less than 6 months when they were told there was no more money they moved on to greener fields