PE

My father told me, your words will challenge your life, when you open your mouth make sure wisdom comes out. He was right, as I read the comments here.

PeterS

Why would we take the line seriously? We are a nation of immigrants. Wealthy Europeans didn't immigrate here but the downtrodden--those with just enough money for a ticket and a meal. That line describes us--the people of this country--so why are you conservatives trying to erase it?

PeterS

Obama will have more than enough statue erected in his honor. No, my intent is to show how you conservatives are trying to rewrite our history.

dongreen76

What` was I incorrect about.The statue `WAS`given to the U.S. merely as a gesture of diplomatic good will by France.I never said it was constituional law that the Constitution / country was in wantin for people to come over here for need of more citizens.The gesture by France wasn't done by France in order or to facilitate or be congruent to the United States movement in order to grow it self.The statue was not created specifically with the U.S. in mind.What it does is only speaks to spirit, it is only reflective of the personna of the country at the time. It was evolving,there is nothing technical and legal about it.
I really don't know what "YOU PEOPLE"are talking , except that it is very quintessential of you.

Radiance3

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Of course the Statue of Liberty was from Europe.
The Statue of Liberty was a gift from the French people commemorating the alliance of France and the United States during the American Revolution.
The Statue of Liberty was a gift from France to the United States. France, and the copper statue was, for the most part, paid for by French citizens.

Obama's history? It was reported by his grandma and brother that he was born in Kenya, on Aug 4, 1961. His long form BC was reportedly falsified. I saw his real BC in Kenya shown by his brother Malik.

Who is re-writing history? Here is a brief history of some of the greatest heroes of our times.

Their statues have been dismantled that of presidents George Washington and Jefferson. And also Gen. Robert E. Lee. Here is the brief history of some of this brilliant Founding Fathers: This is just brief.

George Washington:
He was the general of the Continental Army in 1775 during the American revolution and served as Commander in Chief of the Army until the end of the revolutionary war.
George Washington was American political leader, military general, statesman, and Founding Father who served as the first president of the United States from 1789 to 1797. He led Patriot forces to victory in the nation's War for Independence. He presided at the Constitutional Convention of 1787 which established the U.S. Constitution and a federal government. Washington has been called the "Father of His Country" for his manifold

Thomas Jefferson:
He wrote the Declaration of Independence. The Continental Congress met in Philadelphia with the intention of v****g for independence from England. In anticipation of this v**e, the Congress selected a committee to draft a declaration of independence. The committee, composed of John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, Robert R. Livingston, and Roger Sherman, in turn instructed Thomas Jefferson to write the declaration. At 33 years old, he was the best writer.
Jefferson began his work on June 11 and toiled in seclusion writing a number of drafts. After presenting his final draft, the committee further revised the document and submitted it to the Continental Congress on June 28. On July 2, the Continental Congress v**ed for independence and refined its Declaration of Independence before releasing it to the public on July 4th.

Abraham Lincoln:
Abraham Lincoln (February 12, 1809 – April 15, 1865) was an American statesman and lawyer who served as the 16th president of the United States from 1861 until his assassination in April 1865.
President Abraham Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation on January 1, 1863, as the nation approached its third year of bloody civil war. The proclamation declared "that all persons held as s***es" within the rebellious states "are, and henceforward shall be free."

Lincoln's 1863 Emancipation Proclamation freed about 20,000 of s***es in Confederate-held territory, and established emancipation as a Union war goal. In 1865, Lincoln was instrumental in the passage of the Thirteenth Amendment, which made s***ery unconstitutional.
On April 15, 1865, president Lincoln was assassinated by John Wilkes Booth.

Gen. Robert E. Lee:
The most famous general during the civil war. President Lincoln wanted to hire him but he could not abandon the Confederate Army. He h**ed s***ery. But still the radical destroyed his statue. He graduated 2nd at West Point and considered one the best generals of US history. Robert E. Lee (1807-70) served as a military officer in the U.S. Army, a West Point commandant and the legendary general of the Confederate Army during the American Civil War (1861-65). In June 1862, Lee assumed command of the Army of Northern Virginia, which he would lead for the rest of the war.

david1945

Actually the statue was given to us by France as praise for eliminating s***ery in the western hemisphere. It had nothing to do with immigration. We need educated people to maintain this complex economy. If that happens to mean European than " that's life"!! All those g*******t want to bring this economy to it's knees with the use of immigration of the ignorant and criminally inclined. And if we are confronted with ignorant europeans they should be turned away. If we are confronted with educated people of color who wish to live in and love America we should welcome them. And if one tells you demanding one to be educated is r****t that person is the true r****t for implying that only w****s are educated.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

You stated "The inscription on it was already on it when it was graciously excepted (accepted??) by the United States." I simply pointed out that the poem was not mounted onto the statue until 1903. You also said, "How could it be referring to people coming from Europe, when France, the owner of it- is in Europe." Fundamentally, this is true. However, Lady Liberty was not built on the policy or expectation of immigration, it was Liberty being spread throughout the world. Depending on the writer, the design of the Statute was a tribute to the end of s***ery while most point to the American Revolutionary War. Edouard de Laboulaye, French abolitionist and president of the French Anti-S***ery Society, some say is the undisputed "Father of the Statue of Liberty" and based on his belief that the new nation pointed the way to condemn the institution of s***ery. After the United States' Civil War, Laboulaye conceived the idea of a gift to the United States to memorialize President Abraham Lincoln and celebrate the end of s***ery. He enlisted sculptor Frédéric Auguste Bartholdi, who took an unused design he had created for a lighthouse near the Suez Canal and turned it into a monument for America. However, officially the French government put the emphasis on the Revolutionary War. Wh**ever the reason, in the 20 years it took between the conception and the statue's dedication in 1886, the statue grew to take on the centennial symbolism and broader meanings as it evolved. Today we are divided into two camps, Liberals strongly believe it is a welcome mat for the world to send their unwanted, needy illiterate, or diseased refuge, "the huddled masses." While others see it as a beacon of Liberty as interpreted by nations in their quest for freedom from oppression.

Make no mistake, Emma Lazarus' poem was about immigration. However, the poem was not penned for the Statute, but rather as an item to be auctioned to raise money for the base of the Statute.
Her inspired words were a product of her passion for refugee work as a Z*****t. Her other poetry includes, In the Jewish Synagogue at Newport with the mournful stanza:
"What prayers were in this temple offered up,
Wrung from sad hearts that knew no joy on earth,
By these lone exiles of a thousand years,
From the fair sunrise land that gave them birth!"

You also write "The inscription on it was not changed when given to the United States because it was revelant to our circumstances at the time; in that era we were a young evolving country and could probably use more patrons/citizens ." Fact is, there was no "inscription" on the statue when it arrived. As for the "revelent" circumstances of the time....many politicians were adamantly against the immigration of poor and any "diseased" individual was to be denied entry into the USA. Indeed, 1903 introduced the first real laws, Anarchist Exclusion Act, that codified previous i*********n l*w, and added four inadmissible classes: anarchists, people with epilepsy, beggars, and importers of prostitutes.

JW

Learn something, Pete... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Braunfels,_Texas

No one is trying to erase it, just put into its proper perspective. Why should those words, one woman's opinion, carry any more weight than the words of some Grand D**gon of the KKK, also one person's opinion. The poem may present a kinder face but it is still no more valid than the other. Opinions are no more than that, opinions.

As for who immigrated here, there is no defined type of immigrant. All kinds of people came to these shores. What they had in common was the ability to take care of themselves and their families.

JW

Agreed.

PeterS

Pennylynn what was the means test for immigrants in 1903? In 1903 the bulk of workers in our factories were immigrant, adults or their children. So it's your contention that instead of sending people to the multitude of factories in NY begging for help they were deported as undesirables because they were deemed destined to be a burden on society? What a complete crock of s**t. Do you know how soon someone would lose their job if they deported qualified workers for the sin of not having any money? They would have been gone in a day.

As for the inscription--we are a nation of immigrants from all parts of the world. What better inscription for lady liberty than what is on it...

PeterS

If it wasn't one woman's opinion it wouldn't have been inscribed on the base of the statue. And I don't know where you are trying to go with this? My point was that wealthy Europeans didn't immigrate here and if you read your New Braunfels article it states: "In May 1846, Meusebach received a letter from Count Castell informing him 4,304 emigrants were on their way to Texas. With no funds and no new settlements, the mass of emigrants was stalled at Carlshafen. Meusebach's requests to the Verein for more money, and his warnings of pending bankruptcy for the Verein, brought no results."

Those Germans didn't have a pot to piss in. Again, we are a nation of immigrants and the majority left conditions described by Lady Liberty's poem...

PeterS

[quote=Radiance3]============
Of course the Statue of Liberty was from Europe.
The Statue of Liberty was a gift from the French people commemorating the alliance of France and the United States during the American Revolution.
The Statue of Liberty was a gift from France to the United States. France, and the copper statue was, for the most part, paid for by French citizens.

Obama's history? It was reported by his grandma and brother that he was born in Kenya, on Aug 4, 1961. His long form BC was reportedly falsified. I saw his real BC in Kenya shown by his brother Malik.

[I]Who is re-writing history?[/quote]
1) Who reported Obama's LF BC falsified? Remember that Trump sent investigators over to Hawaii to 'investigate' and then he never reported on a damn thing so if it was reported I would like to know by who and how was it varified.

2) The Kenyan BC was verified a forgery. It was the same one that Malik Obama tried to sell on E-bay and was determined a h**x then.

3) As for Obama's grandmother, she didn't say he was born in Kenya.

McRae immediately followed up by saying, "Okay, when I come in December, I would like to go by the place, the hospital where he was born. Could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa?"

The t***slator can be heard t***slating, and then, he said, "No. Obama was not born in Mombasa. He was born in America."

Said McRae: "Whereabouts was he born? I thought he was born in Kenya."

The response came back, "He was born in America, not in Mombasa."

"Do you know where he was born?" McRae continued. "I thought he was born in Kenya. I was gonna go by and see where he was born."

"Hawaii. She says he was born in Hawaii," the t***slator said. "In the state of Hawaii, where his father, his father was also learning there. The state of Hawaii."

No matter how much she was badgered she couldn't be forced to say he was born in Kenya.

JW

A little selective in your reading aren't you... The city was started and purchased by a rather wealthy prince. He t***sported many of his subjects to America. What happened later is a different matter.

"New Braunfels was established in 1845 by Prince Carl of Solms-Braunfels, Commissioner General of the Adelsverein, also known as the Noblemen's Society (in German: Mainzer Adelsverein). Prince Solms named the settlement in honor of his home of Solms-Braunfels, Germany. "

The Roanoke colony was founded by a wealthy Englishman. Jamestown was founded by a commercial enterprise and the list goes on.

Did some poor people come to America? Of course they did but no one was allowed here unless they had the ability to provide for themselves and their families. There were no "huddled masses" flooding our shores. A boatload of Jewish refugees was refused the right to land here as recently as the Second World War. There have always been rules that had to be obeyed in order to immigrate here... just like everywhere else on the planet.

PeterS

You have ONE prince...ONE! The four thousand plus that immigrated here because of him didn't have a pot to piss in but hey JW found a prince. Get it through your head...we are a nation built on poverty-stricken immigrants. The Irish were poverty-stricken, the Chinese were poverty-stricken. The people who came here relied on the country to give them the means to provide for their families. The one exception I could find was with the Spaniards who were largely the aristocracy or descended from them. But they were the exception to the rule and once the US took over Texas and the southwest they were treated like filth so when it comes to the color of one's skin the ability to provide for one's family is irrelevant.

As for the Jews, why don't you talk to pennylynn for the reasons they were denied entry into this country and whether we should do that again...

JW

Sorry, Pete, history says you are wrong. All manner of people came here; some rich some poor, some geniuses, some fools. We have never been a repository for the human garbage of the world and, until recently, we have had strict requirements for entry into the country.