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Aug 14, 2019 13:02:42   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
Still buying into that left/right paradigm? Had you took the two minutes to watch the video I linked for your specific use, you wouldn't have made that statement.

Once again, please click this link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGL8CiUtXF0



Now how will i recover the totally wasted 10:36 minutes that I spent watching such a misrepresenting of government forms?

Nothing new, but a lot of misrepresentation..

Who is Aliunde and what is his goal??

And nothing which makes the near universally reference to the United States Democracy incorrect is expressed in this video..

You do not think the majority rules in the United States?

That may be what you wish, however we do hold elections and other then the president election, it is the majority who name the various reps and winners..

In the case of juries and legal outcomes, only in the case of requiring a unanimous agreement on crime does the remark in the video hold true.

In case before appeals courts or SC or in agreed judge only cases the vote of the majority holds sway.

So I maintain that we are as the world finds us, a Democratic Republic and the constant reference to this nation being a Democracy is very true..

I find for Democracy....

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Aug 14, 2019 13:05:54   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
permafrost wrote:
Liberals are for border security, just like most people.

Glad that message finally got through, that most people want a secure border. Now go tell your reps in congress, because they didn't get that memo yet.

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Aug 14, 2019 13:18:28   #
kemmer
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
Glad that message finally got through, that most people want a secure border. Now go tell your reps in congress, because they didn't get that memo yet.

By ‘secure border’ he means keep the brown people out. But white people? Y’all come now, y’heah?

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Aug 14, 2019 13:20:16   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
kemmer wrote:
By ‘secure border’ he means keep the brown people out. But white people? Y’all come now, y’heah?

Really? Where does it say that?

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Aug 14, 2019 13:22:38   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
Glad that message finally got through, that most people want a secure border. Now go tell your reps in congress, because they didn't get that memo yet.



I do agree that congress need to earn the pay.. for a long time now..

border security has been improving for near 20 years.. it would seem Bush Jr and President Obama were very much doing the right thing..

To toss out a many Billions in a new direction is more than foolish.. we can handle the border without construction of a wall.

It would do next to nothing to stem the drug inflow nor to cut the numbers asking for asylum in this country..

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Aug 14, 2019 13:34:32   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
permafrost wrote:
To toss out a many Billions in a new direction is more than foolish.. we can handle the border without construction of a wall.

Right, with cameras, and such like. A 2000 mile burglar alarm. I read a study somewhere that said such 'security' measures would go upward of $2 billion a year. Every year, rain, snow or shine. How much was that wall again?

permafrost wrote:
It would do next to nothing to stem the drug inflow nor to cut the numbers asking for asylum in this country..

Those are two entirely separate issues. First, drugs. I disagree. Drug traffickers love the desert, where they can send people across with 60 or 70 pounds on their backs, straight to the drop-off and back again with the cash in their pack. Putting a wall in their path would force them to rethink their strategy and make them easier to detect.

As for asylum-seekers, they have nothing to do with either illegal immigration or illicit activities.

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Aug 14, 2019 14:46:34   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
Those are two entirely separate issues. First, drugs. I disagree. Drug traffickers love the desert, where they can send people across with 60 or 70 pounds on their backs, straight to the drop-off and back again with the cash in their pack. Putting a wall in their path would force them to rethink their strategy and make them easier to detect.

As for asylum-seekers, they have nothing to do with either illegal immigration or illicit activities.


wall, estimates all over the place, I have seen from 25 billions to 60 plus billions and add in upkeep..

Most drugs by far come in via commercial loads on the high ways.

recent headlines have been about speed boats and the famous submarine the coast guard captured on the east coast..

Only small amount via the desert mules..

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Aug 14, 2019 14:52:10   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
permafrost wrote:
Most drugs by far come in via commercial loads on the high ways.

How can anyone possibly know that? If the border patrol knew drugs were being smuggled and how much, why would they not intervene to apprehend the perpetrators? That statement is indefensible. Show me the source and I might be persuaded, but there are no credible numbers because drug smugglers don't send in a report detailing their activities.

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Aug 14, 2019 15:38:05   #
Tug484
 
permafrost wrote:
Tug,

as I posted before, we are a Democratic Republic..

But that does not answer the question.. why do you hate the word democracy?


Democracy is supposed to be a form of government that is run by we the people. It isn't.

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Aug 14, 2019 15:39:04   #
Tug484
 
permafrost wrote:
Tug,

as I posted before, we are a Democratic Republic..

But that does not answer the question.. why do you hate the word democracy?


Democracy is supposed to be a form of government that is ran by we the people and it isn't .

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Aug 14, 2019 15:40:03   #
Tug484
 
permafrost wrote:
Tug,

as I posted before, we are a Democratic Republic..

But that does not answer the question.. why do you hate the word democracy?


It's supposed to be a form of government that is ran by we the people and it isn't.

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Aug 14, 2019 19:00:45   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
How can anyone possibly know that? If the border patrol knew drugs were being smuggled and how much, why would they not intervene to apprehend the perpetrators? That statement is indefensible. Show me the source and I might be persuaded, but there are no credible numbers because drug smugglers don't send in a report detailing their activities.


Follow the link, I took a few parts to post, but more in the article may interest you..

https://www.usatoday.com/news/

n their ongoing push for $5.7 billion to expand the border wall, Trump administration officials have repeatedly pointed to the flow of drugs across the southern border as proof that such a wall is needed.

President Donald Trump has used that line. White House press secretary Sarah Sanders has, too.

But an analysis of data from the southern border indicates that the vast majority of narcotics enters through U.S. ports of entry, not the wide swaths of border in between where additional barriers could be erected.

According to U.S. Customs and Border Protection statistics, 90 percent of heroin seized along the border, 88 percent of cocaine, 87 percent of methamphetamine, and 80 percent of fentanyl in the first 11 months of the 2018 fiscal year was caught trying to be smuggled in at legal crossing points.

While those numbers deal only with drugs that are caught, border experts say the data accurately reflect the way drug cartels successfully smuggle narcotics into the country.

Democrats have rejected Trump's request, instead preferring to invest more heavily in ports of entry. The Democratic-led House of Representatives passed a spending bill Jan. 3 that includes $8 million to hire 328 new Customs officers and $225 million to purchase equipment used to screen trucks and vehicles for contraband.

In December, Border Patrol agents arrested two men after an ultralight aircraft flew over the border wall in California and dropped $1.4 million worth of methamphetamine and a getaway bicycle. And last year, a man was sentenced to 12 years in prison after he was caught picking up a package with 13 pounds of methamphetamine that had been dropped by a drone that flew over the border wall near San Diego. Border Patrol officials say such airborne smuggling attempts are only expected to increase as drone technology improves.

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Aug 14, 2019 19:03:01   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Tug484 wrote:
Democracy is supposed to be a form of government that is run by we the people. It isn't.



We may not be perfect, but we are better then turning all the power and wealth over to only a small part of our society..

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Aug 14, 2019 19:12:44   #
Tug484
 
permafrost wrote:
We may not be perfect, but we are better then turning all the power and wealth over to only a small part of our society..


I just know the left believes in things I don't believe in and they force those things on us.

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Aug 14, 2019 19:14:58   #
Tug484
 
I don't like things I don't believe in forced upon me as the Dems tend to do.

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