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Aug 13, 2019 01:47:45   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Nice talking points. Those problems didn’t start under Trump or Barr. Or Obama for that matter. Been going on along time. Quit acting like everyone believes everything Trump says if you’re on the right. You’re such a hypocrite you believe every negative story written about Trump from your left wing sources. Hope you don’t live in a glass house.
alabuck wrote:
“...but unfortunately the Union representing the
the Prison where Epstein was k**led is all run top down by Hillbilly Clintock donors and supporters...I don't
find this at all surprising.”

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I h**e to burst your bubble but, AG Bill Barr is the one who heads-up the DOJ and therefore the prison(s), not the union. Besides, with staffing at 70% and people being forced to work 12-14 hour days, something will go wrong. Also, the guard assigned to watch Epstein isn’t even a full-time guard nor was he trained as such.

Now, we have President Numb-nuts tweeting more unfounded (aka totally made-up, aka lies) conspiracy theories, in his attempt to shift the focus away from himself and onto the Clintons. Seems to most people, that if you’re going to accuse someone of illegal activities, one should offer some sort of verifiable proof along with the accusation. I suppose I’m asking too much, though. Those who choose to believe Trump are also willing to believe anything he says without questioning him on at all.
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Aug 13, 2019 01:50:48   #
alabuck Loc: Tennessee
 
2bltap wrote:
To all here. First hello and I hope all is well for all of you. Please think about this for just a few moments. President Trump since he became POTUS has not to my knowledge every posted Something that DID NOT HAVE T***H TO SOME DEGREE IN THEM. We all really need to remember that he is way more involved with things unknown to all of us and quite frankly has been giving various types of hints as to what IS GOING ON behind the scenes. So seriously just pause for a few moments for some thought about this. By the way some his Tweets are not necessary in my opinion. But hey it si what it is. He is and has been referred to as the most available and t***sparent president. It really is something for even the MSM to have said these things pertaining to his outreach to the American Populace. You all take good care!
Semper Fi
Mike
To all here. First hello and I hope all is well f... (show quote)


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Mike,

Are you aware that Trump has spoken over 12,000 lies and/or misleading statements since becoming president? Also, can you show us which of Trump’s tweets you’re speaking of as being t***hful? There are many on the OPP that would like to see them. Please include the “degree of t***h” you’re referencing, too.

As to t***sparency, where are the tax returns he PROMISED to show? Being audited doesn’t stop anyone from showing their tax returns. Why is he suing NewYork and California to prevent them releasing the. To the Oversight Committees and requiring his tax returns before allowing him to register as a candidate in the state’s E******n Primary, respectively?

Where are his plans on reducing the costs of drugs in the country? Where are his plans in fixing the country’s infrastructure? Where are his plans on giving us the “...greatest and best medical insurance in the world?”

Where are the notes taken during his Helsinki meeting and his recent G-20 Summit meetings with Putin; and his meetings with Kim jung Un? Why didn’t he allow his current and former staffers to testify, without restrictions, to the House and Senate oversight committees? Inquiring minds want to know!

I’m sure Trump “does know”* (* A very nebulous term defining Trump’s amount of knowledge on any given subject. But, he does claim to be “very intelligent” and a “stable genius.”) far more than the rest of us since we don’t get the briefings he does. Are you aware that those briefings must be limited to no more than 10-15 minutes as he loses interest and concentration after that length of time? This is public knowledge, too; leaked out by his own staff.

However, lying to the public on an hourly basis, publicly attacking his political critics and adversaries, demeaning our intelligence agencies by accepting the words of dictators over the agencies, and promoting violence, h**e and division between Americans, not having any idea about foreign policy and treaties between allies, and publicly praising despotic rulers, is not what I’d call good qualities for any president.

I would say that he is very t***sparent towards who he favors and who he doesn’t. His tweets and speeches are very t***sparent in that regard. He openly favors anyone who agrees with anything he says, regardless of how much or how little t***h there is in his comments.

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Aug 13, 2019 02:02:15   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
alabuck wrote:
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“Never went on a trip with him to his island.”

But Trump, sure as hell, made several visits to Epstein’s homes in Florida and NYC. Trump even hosted an exclusive party for Epstein at Mar-a-Lago, replete with beautiful young women fawning all over Trump and Epstein.

It wasn’t until Epstein and Trump got into a bidding war over a particular mansion in Florida that Trump ended their friendship. Beginning in the late ’80s, Epstein and Trump hit it off, as shown in the recently unearthed footage of the two of them ogling NFL cheerleaders together at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Resort in 1992. They were photographed together in 1992, 1997, and in 2000, with Trump’s then-girlfriend Melania Knauss. According to Epstein’s brother, Trump also hitched a ride from Florida to New York on Epstein’s private plane sometime around the year, 2000. Then, there’s that 2002 quote Trump gave to the New Yorker: “I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”

But according to a news report from the Washington Post, in 2004, the pair let a mansion called the House of Friendship tear them apart. Bidding on Maison de l’Amitie in Palm Beach, both Trump and Epstein really wanted to win the oceanfront property being sold out of bankruptcy. The trustee in the case, Joseph Luzinski, told the Washington Post of the process: “It was something like, Donald saying, ‘You don’t want to do a deal with him, he doesn’t have the money,’ while Epstein was saying: ‘Donald is all talk. He doesn’t have the money.’ They both really wanted it.” Around that time, Trump banned the financier from Mar-a-Lago without giving an explanation.

In a November 2004, interview, Trump said he was “fixated on winning the finest piece of land in Florida and probably the U.S.,” refering to the six-acre parcel that the bank had seized from Abe Gosman. It was, in Trump’s words, the “second greatest house in America,’” conveniently just a ten-minute drive from the number-one home, Mar-a-Lago. Gosman had purchased the property in 1988 for around $12 million from Leslie Wexner, Epstein’s benefactor; with a strong initial bid at-auction of $37.25 million, it appeared the financier was about to take it back. But bidding soon shot up to $38.6 million and “Trump had made up his mind to get it no matter the price,” a lawyer present at the auction told the Washington Post. Trump’s bid eventually rose to $41.35 million, and he won the house. That month also marked the last known contact between the two. Shortly after the auction, Trump said he’d left two voicemails for Epstein at his Palm Beach home.

Two weeks post-auction, Palm Beach police followed up on a tip that “young girls” were seen frequently leaving Epstein’s house. Four years after T***p w*n the bid, he sold it to Russian businessman Dmitry Rybolovlev (an intimate of Putin’s) for $95 million — a deal that was investigated by the special counsel as part of Robert Mueller’s inquiry into Trump-Russia connections.

Alas, the House of Friendship is no more: In 2016, the estate was demolished and divided in thirds for developers to build up.
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OoohKaaay.... Much more to learn about this.

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Aug 13, 2019 02:03:08   #
alabuck Loc: Tennessee
 
dtucker300,

Can you tell us what the investigative outcomes of the Clinton associated deaths you wrote about were? I can. All of the investigations, which, by the way, were conducted by the FBI, didn’t find anything to tie the Clinton’s, or their Foundation, in with any of the deaths you mentioned; either directly or indirectly. All you’re doing is reposting already debunked, lie-based, conspiracy theories.

Please, if you’re going to try to demean the Clinton’s, at least come up with something new, original and t***hful.

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Aug 13, 2019 02:14:39   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
alabuck wrote:
dtucker300,

Can you tell us what the investigative outcomes of the Clinton associated deaths you wrote about were? I can. All of the investigations, which, by the way, were conducted by the FBI, didn’t find anything to tie the Clinton’s, or their Foundation, in with any of the deaths you mentioned; either directly or indirectly. All you’re doing is reposting already debunked, lie-based, conspiracy theories.

Please, if you’re going to try to demean the Clinton’s, at least come up with something new, original and t***hful.
dtucker300, br br Can you tell us what the invest... (show quote)


I'm not trying to demean or malign anyone? I don't necessarily disagree with you so don't shoot the messenger. You seem to be a treasure trove of information and we know nothing about where you are getting your information. What has and what has not been debunked? I don't know. You lefty's at times get as testy as the alt-right. Just about everything I read on this site I take with a grain of salt. That is why I always include the source of anything I post that is not my own. Everything is speculation at this point as the facts are being sorted out. If you have some sort of mainline right to the investigation then clue us in on it. Otherwise, your opinions are your opinions (or someone else's). I hope you aren't offended because no offense is intended. I'm just trying to clarify what we know and don't know because I'm no expert on this topic. Just an interested spectator.

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Aug 13, 2019 04:59:48   #
PeterS
 
JFlorio wrote:
One of his stupider tweets. And that’s saying something. I wouldn’t be a bit surprised to find out Clinton was involved but to tweet it with just opinion, especially by a president is stupid.

The man is stupid so what more could you expect from him...

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Aug 13, 2019 05:12:27   #
PeterS
 
alabuck wrote:
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Mike,

Are you aware that Trump has spoken over 12,000 lies and/or misleading statements since becoming president? Also, can you show us which of Trump’s tweets you’re speaking of as being t***hful? There are many on the OPP that would like to see them. Please include the “degree of t***h” you’re referencing, too.

As to t***sparency, where are the tax returns he PROMISED to show? Being audited doesn’t stop anyone from showing their tax returns. Why is he suing NewYork and California to prevent them releasing the. To the Oversight Committees and requiring his tax returns before allowing him to register as a candidate in the state’s E******n Primary, respectively?

Where are his plans on reducing the costs of drugs in the country? Where are his plans in fixing the country’s infrastructure? Where are his plans on giving us the “...greatest and best medical insurance in the world?”

Where are the notes taken during his Helsinki meeting and his recent G-20 Summit meetings with Putin; and his meetings with Kim jung Un? Why didn’t he allow his current and former staffers to testify, without restrictions, to the House and Senate oversight committees? Inquiring minds want to know!

I’m sure Trump “does know”* (* A very nebulous term defining Trump’s amount of knowledge on any given subject. But, he does claim to be “very intelligent” and a “stable genius.”) far more than the rest of us since we don’t get the briefings he does. Are you aware that those briefings must be limited to no more than 10-15 minutes as he loses interest and concentration after that length of time? This is public knowledge, too; leaked out by his own staff.

However, lying to the public on an hourly basis, publicly attacking his political critics and adversaries, demeaning our intelligence agencies by accepting the words of dictators over the agencies, and promoting violence, h**e and division between Americans, not having any idea about foreign policy and treaties between allies, and publicly praising despotic rulers, is not what I’d call good qualities for any president.

I would say that he is very t***sparent towards who he favors and who he doesn’t. His tweets and speeches are very t***sparent in that regard. He openly favors anyone who agrees with anything he says, regardless of how much or how little t***h there is in his comments.
————————— br br Mike, br br Are you aware that T... (show quote)

Trump lies have been reported by the Washington Post, vanityfair, amongst other sources. The IRS stated that audits wouldn't prevent anyone from showing their taxes. The rest is all documented and you simply have to google it to verify it.

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Aug 13, 2019 09:27:10   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
alabuck wrote:
That's what shocked me the most about Trump's Epstein Tweet, that we actually have a situation of a current President accusing a former - but alive - President of committing a serious crime like murder! But, in the age of Trump, it's just more noise, a crazy Tweet. Under any other previous President, this would have pretty much stopped the presses for days and we would’ve heard howls from members of both political parties. But, this is today and the Congressional GOPTPers don’t dare criticize Trump for fear of gaining his wrath and the wrath of his many minions.

Additionally, does anyone else think Trump was a bit quick to start stirring the pot and pointing the fingers away from himself?? What we know about the Clinton-Epstein association so far has mostly involved Epstein as a donor to Clinton and the fabled "26 flights" were not actually 26, but still were flights accompanied by others and from all, current and credible evidence, seem to have been trips abroad for Clinton Foundation work.

Trump, on the other hand, has a well known and long “social and party life” association with Epstein. There’s one documented occasion of Trump having thrown a party at Mar a Lago with just him - Epstein - and 28 calendar models. It seems Trump may have been a lot closer to "that part” of Epstein's life than Clinton was, but, it's still inconclusive if Trump was involved in the underage/illegal business with him.

And, as far as the Clinton's engineering “a hit,” Epstein was housed in a facility under the jurisdiction of Trump's Federal government-paid defense attorney, A.G. William Barr. According to Barr, himself, it's starting to sound like certain protocols weren't being followed regarding Epstein's watch. Which over-worked and under-paid guard(s) will be blamed for not following protocol and allowing Epstein to die before he maybe could implicate Trump in many of Epstein’s illegal sexual inner-actions with underage girls?

And, if proven and documented history is correct (as opposed to the “alternative-facts” used by most Trump apologists), this is the same William Barr, whose father originally employed Epstein as a “teacher” at an exclusive Manhattan school. Oddly, Epstein wasn’t even “credentialed” in the subjects he was hired to teach. Oh, and it was Trump's recently made “former” Secretary of Labor, Alex Acosta, who happened to be the US Justice Department’s prosecuting attorney who let Epstein off so lightly to begin with during his sex-trafficking cases in Florida.

So, to borrow from Trump's own play-book, “I'm not saying it, but many people are saying it,” or “...telling me,” President Trump has a far many more murky links to Epstein than anything regarding Bill Clinton has, thus far, come out. And, it's Trump with a political career to protect, now. Bill Clinton is on the retirement circuit and has been for a number of decades. Of course, Trump could always claim Hillary has simply moved her child sex ring away from the pizza parlor and into Epstein’s mansion on his private island.

My belief is that Trump’s tweet suggesting a Clinton involvement in Epstein’s sex-trafficking is just another of Trump’s more than 12 THOUSAND lies to be believed and spread by his millions of gullible, mindless minions. It’s just another move by Trump to move attention away from himself and toward someone else. No matter how ridiculous it is, he knows it’ll be believed by his base. In fact, the more ridiculous it is, the more believable it is by his followers.
That's what shocked me the most about Trump's Epst... (show quote)


When you've got squat to show for 2 1/2 years in office, other than a slew of doctored golf scorecards, you throw as much s**t as possible....................and hope some of it sticks.

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Aug 13, 2019 09:59:53   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
alabuck wrote:
My belief is that Trump’s tweet suggesting a Clinton involvement in Epstein’s sex-trafficking is just another of Trump’s more than 12 THOUSAND lies to be believed and spread by his millions of gullible, mindless minions.

You said it all, right there. You managed to not only insult the most powerful man in the known universe, but slur the millions of people who put him in that position. Tell me, what would you do if they all found out who you are and where to find you? Hm?

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Aug 13, 2019 15:52:18   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
alabuck wrote:
That's what shocked me the most about Trump's Epstein Tweet, that we actually have a situation of a current President accusing a former - but alive - President of committing a serious crime like murder! But, in the age of Trump, it's just more noise, a crazy Tweet. Under any other previous President, this would have pretty much stopped the presses for days and we would’ve heard howls from members of both political parties. But, this is today and the Congressional GOPTPers don’t dare criticize Trump for fear of gaining his wrath and the wrath of his many minions.

Additionally, does anyone else think Trump was a bit quick to start stirring the pot and pointing the fingers away from himself?? What we know about the Clinton-Epstein association so far has mostly involved Epstein as a donor to Clinton and the fabled "26 flights" were not actually 26, but still were flights accompanied by others and from all, current and credible evidence, seem to have been trips abroad for Clinton Foundation work.

Trump, on the other hand, has a well known and long “social and party life” association with Epstein. There’s one documented occasion of Trump having thrown a party at Mar a Lago with just him - Epstein - and 28 calendar models. It seems Trump may have been a lot closer to "that part” of Epstein's life than Clinton was, but, it's still inconclusive if Trump was involved in the underage/illegal business with him.

And, as far as the Clinton's engineering “a hit,” Epstein was housed in a facility under the jurisdiction of Trump's Federal government-paid defense attorney, A.G. William Barr. According to Barr, himself, it's starting to sound like certain protocols weren't being followed regarding Epstein's watch. Which over-worked and under-paid guard(s) will be blamed for not following protocol and allowing Epstein to die before he maybe could implicate Trump in many of Epstein’s illegal sexual inner-actions with underage girls?

And, if proven and documented history is correct (as opposed to the “alternative-facts” used by most Trump apologists), this is the same William Barr, whose father originally employed Epstein as a “teacher” at an exclusive Manhattan school. Oddly, Epstein wasn’t even “credentialed” in the subjects he was hired to teach. Oh, and it was Trump's recently made “former” Secretary of Labor, Alex Acosta, who happened to be the US Justice Department’s prosecuting attorney who let Epstein off so lightly to begin with during his sex-trafficking cases in Florida.

So, to borrow from Trump's own play-book, “I'm not saying it, but many people are saying it,” or “...telling me,” President Trump has a far many more murky links to Epstein than anything regarding Bill Clinton has, thus far, come out. And, it's Trump with a political career to protect, now. Bill Clinton is on the retirement circuit and has been for a number of decades. Of course, Trump could always claim Hillary has simply moved her child sex ring away from the pizza parlor and into Epstein’s mansion on his private island.

My belief is that Trump’s tweet suggesting a Clinton involvement in Epstein’s sex-trafficking is just another of Trump’s more than 12 THOUSAND lies to be believed and spread by his millions of gullible, mindless minions. It’s just another move by Trump to move attention away from himself and toward someone else. No matter how ridiculous it is, he knows it’ll be believed by his base. In fact, the more ridiculous it is, the more believable it is by his followers.
That's what shocked me the most about Trump's Epst... (show quote)


You think Trump, I think Bubba Clinton's merc, neither of our minds will be changed until..I don't know. Hillary is guilty of a rape on orgy island, so we'll have to see where the chips fall. Do I know it as a fact? Kind of or as my friend said "I'd put money on it" meaning that Clinton was a visitor.

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Aug 13, 2019 17:17:45   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Comments from Boyan Penev, internet blogger

Oh wow. President Trump’s really telling it how it is, isn’t he?

So according to him, Bill Clinton had someone murdered, so Bill Clinton should be arrested. That’s a very impressive theory - pity it works against him.

Do elaborate: how exactly would Bill Clinton have him murdered? With what resources? If there was a cover-up, you’d think it would have been done by people on the inside… and prisons are ultimately managed by the Department of Justice - whose head William Barr was nominated by Donald J. Trump. It just so happens that after a possible suicide attempt, Epstein was put on suicide watch - and removed from it a few days before he died. I can see how that would seem to be suspicious - yet it happens under a Trump nominee. You’d think that that if either of them had the means to arrange a murder of someone in jail, it would be the sitting president, not the one who hasn’t been in charge since 2000.

You’d think he’d have the much better motive, too. After all, it’s not like Bill Clinton has much of a political career left. He already had his two terms, and it doesn’t look like his wife is in a hurry to return to the p**********l race either. His daughter seems to be content to be an apparently rather uninspired author.
Now, Trump is not only currently in power but seems to have every intention to run for ree******n in 2020, and evangelical christians are a necessary part of his coalition. Sure, they’d probably v**e for a pig before v****g for a democrat, but it’s not the best time for tawdry scandals. So I’m curious, who do you think has more to lose here?

Not like Epstein was ever friendly with Trump, right? And not like he didn’t get a SWEET plea deal in 2007 from Alexander Acosta, the former Secretary of Labor in the Trump administration? The SAME Alexander Acosta who, earlier this year, proposed cutting the budget of his department, including for programs related to human trafficking - including child sex trafficking? See, I can do conspiracy theories too.

As the Russians say, the thief is the first to shout “Hold the Thief.”

P.S.: Considering how much Trump boasted of hiring “the best people” it is rather amusing how many of them were later accused of being his enemies or resigned in disgrace.

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Aug 13, 2019 17:22:52   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
dtucker300 wrote:
I find the entire affair and most of the comments from every side to be boorish and unseemly distasteful. It reminds me of the Manson Murders and President Nixon, a lawyer who should know better, commenting on Mansion's guilt instead of alleged crimes during the trial. Sometimes you have to remain quiet and let the system do its' work.

The problem is that trust in the system has eroded.

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Aug 13, 2019 17:26:02   #
okie don
 
alabuck wrote:
That's what shocked me the most about Trump's Epstein Tweet, that we actually have a situation of a current President accusing a former - but alive - President of committing a serious crime like murder! But, in the age of Trump, it's just more noise, a crazy Tweet. Under any other previous President, this would have pretty much stopped the presses for days and we would’ve heard howls from members of both political parties. But, this is today and the Congressional GOPTPers don’t dare criticize Trump for fear of gaining his wrath and the wrath of his many minions.

Additionally, does anyone else think Trump was a bit quick to start stirring the pot and pointing the fingers away from himself?? What we know about the Clinton-Epstein association so far has mostly involved Epstein as a donor to Clinton and the fabled "26 flights" were not actually 26, but still were flights accompanied by others and from all, current and credible evidence, seem to have been trips abroad for Clinton Foundation work.

Trump, on the other hand, has a well known and long “social and party life” association with Epstein. There’s one documented occasion of Trump having thrown a party at Mar a Lago with just him - Epstein - and 28 calendar models. It seems Trump may have been a lot closer to "that part” of Epstein's life than Clinton was, but, it's still inconclusive if Trump was involved in the underage/illegal business with him.

And, as far as the Clinton's engineering “a hit,” Epstein was housed in a facility under the jurisdiction of Trump's Federal government-paid defense attorney, A.G. William Barr. According to Barr, himself, it's starting to sound like certain protocols weren't being followed regarding Epstein's watch. Which over-worked and under-paid guard(s) will be blamed for not following protocol and allowing Epstein to die before he maybe could implicate Trump in many of Epstein’s illegal sexual inner-actions with underage girls?

And, if proven and documented history is correct (as opposed to the “alternative-facts” used by most Trump apologists), this is the same William Barr, whose father originally employed Epstein as a “teacher” at an exclusive Manhattan school. Oddly, Epstein wasn’t even “credentialed” in the subjects he was hired to teach. Oh, and it was Trump's recently made “former” Secretary of Labor, Alex Acosta, who happened to be the US Justice Department’s prosecuting attorney who let Epstein off so lightly to begin with during his sex-trafficking cases in Florida.

So, to borrow from Trump's own play-book, “I'm not saying it, but many people are saying it,” or “...telling me,” President Trump has a far many more murky links to Epstein than anything regarding Bill Clinton has, thus far, come out. And, it's Trump with a political career to protect, now. Bill Clinton is on the retirement circuit and has been for a number of decades. Of course, Trump could always claim Hillary has simply moved her child sex ring away from the pizza parlor and into Epstein’s mansion on his private island.

My belief is that Trump’s tweet suggesting a Clinton involvement in Epstein’s sex-trafficking is just another of Trump’s more than 12 THOUSAND lies to be believed and spread by his millions of gullible, mindless minions. It’s just another move by Trump to move attention away from himself and toward someone else. No matter how ridiculous it is, he knows it’ll be believed by his base. In fact, the more ridiculous it is, the more believable it is by his followers.
That's what shocked me the most about Trump's Epst... (show quote)


Interesting theory.
Maybe you should check out wwwwhatdoesitmean.com (:

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Aug 13, 2019 17:28:03   #
okie don
 
If any t***h to it, seems a couple big shots wound up with nice properties in China thanks to.Hillary & Bill.
Always read Whatdoesitmean with a grain of salt.

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Aug 13, 2019 18:04:16   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
slatten49 wrote:
You’d think he’d have the much better motive, too. After all, it’s not like Bill Clinton has much of a political career left.

Yeah, it's not like a few dozen years in prison would do much to dampen the spirits of a corrupt ex-president, right? Tell me, is it dark in there?

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