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Aug 12, 2019 18:30:35   #
Blade_Runner (a regular here)
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
So you're saying no one called him anything until he spoke to Moses? What about the people before Moses, what did they call him? he did speak to Adam and Eve, Noah,Abram~Abraham, etc...
The ancient Hebrews had more than 20 names for Him, and each of the names were significant in the context or circumstance in which it was used.

For example:

When Jesus prayed in Gethsemane, he referred to God as "Abba", simply meaning "father".
"Adonai" is a royal title of respect and refers to His majesty and authority, as the one in charge.
"El Elyon" refers to Him as "The Most High God"--Thou shall have no other gods before me
"El Roi" refers to Him as "The God who sees".
"El Shaddai" refers to Him as "The Almighty God".
"Elohim" refers to Him as "The Creator", or simply "The Lord".

"The" is a definite article, it is used as a function word to indicate that a following noun or noun equivalent is definite or has been previously specified by context or by circumstance--The Most High, The Almighty, The Creator, The Lord. The nouns that follow the article in context are not proper nouns, they are not God's NAME.

Moses said unto God, Behold, when I go to the children of Israel, and shall say to them, The God of your fathers has sent me to you; and they say to me, What is his name? what shall I tell them?

And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.


"I Am" is who God is, it is not his name.



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Aug 12, 2019 18:33:11   #
tactful (a regular here)
 
Lonewolf wrote:
If I'm not mistaken they never mentioned him by name to sacred


HE was called by name we read and everyone knows he's sacred I thought.
unless that's what you meant.

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Aug 12, 2019 18:35:24   #
Lonewolf (a regular here)
 
waltmoreno wrote:
1) I’m still waiting for you to post the link showing Trump using God’s name in vain. Unless you post it we can all assume it’s just another one of your many lies.
2.) Using God’s name barely registers as a blip on the radar screen compared to other transgressions by God’s other chosen leaders. In other words, ‘it’s no thang.’
Murder, adultery for starters were committed by people God chose to lead their nation.


https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/12/trump-evangelicals-blasphemy-profanity-1456178

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Aug 12, 2019 18:37:02   #
tactful (a regular here)
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
The ancient Hebrews had more than 20 names for Him, and each of the names were significant in the context or circumstance in which it was used.

For example:

When Jesus prayed in Gethsemane, he referred to God as "Abba", simply meaning "father".
"Adonai" is a royal title of respect and refers to His majesty and authority, as the one in charge.
"El Elyon" refers to Him as "The Most High God"--Thou shall have no other gods before me
"El Roi" refers to Him as "The God who sees".
"El Shaddai" refers to Him as "The Almighty God".
"Elohim" refers to Him as "The Creator", or simply "The Lord".

"The" is a definite article, it is used as a function word to indicate that a following noun or noun equivalent is definite or has been previously specified by context or by circumstance--The Most High, The Almighty, The Creator, The Lord. The nouns that follow the article in context are not proper nouns, they are not God's NAME.

Moses said unto God, Behold, when I go to the children of Israel, and shall say to them, The God of your fathers has sent me to you; and they say to me, What is his name? what shall I tell them?

And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.


"I Am" is who God is, it is not his name.
The ancient Hebrews had more than 20 names for Him... (show quote)


accurate good information,unnecessary to the masses but appreciated.

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Aug 12, 2019 18:37:38   #
Lonewolf (a regular here)
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
Doesn't sound very much like a Loving God, the good book to instill fear instead of simply a moral conscience. Who would write a book beginning with, that were are born into sin?


yep a JW

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Aug 12, 2019 19:30:32   #
Barracuda2020 (a regular here)
 
tactful wrote:
what book have you read? the only one that counts in my book for books begins In The Beginning,
Love abounds,fear is necessary to shape creations and build the rest.yeah bad stuff happens,it did a lot back when bal had it,love conquered by all accounts and pretty much did for a long time,why all the nightshade and gloom and doom? if it's to be it is ,buckle up.


The Bible, I'm not, I don't happen to believe that we are born into sin, not looking at a beautiful new born baby.

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Aug 12, 2019 19:39:56   #
the waker
 
tactful wrote:
is it Godly to have an appetite for everything wrong going on today?
Is there irrefutable proof republicans never owned slaves,,that's a stretch?
progressive is for,what is regressives for? besides being led over a cliff?
10 billion for a wall,10 billion + to redo Air Force one wth another 3. 8 b recently viewed to be spent.
it's all coming out of veterans payments and upgrade war chest and nobody's the wiser? keep defending.youll get dividends, 😀 and Wall Street isn't going to bail either with all this tariff talk/ tweet 🙄
is it Godly to have an appetite for everything wro... (show quote)




I'm not defending anyone, but I ll take any proof you may have of a Republican owning slaves.
As far as the wall, small price to pay for the ever growing, unsustainable cost of illegal immigration.
Interesting enough about the ever growing war chest, although I'm not in favor of the Neo-con war hawks, our military was decimated financially over the past decade, and for what?
So people who do very little can lead a better life?
The same people that won't (and I say won't because they still haven't) do better for themselves?
I'm all about limiting government, shame both sides can't get together long enough to set limits, but that's really the point in the whole divide now isn't it?

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Aug 12, 2019 19:51:39   #
Barracuda2020 (a regular here)
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
The ancient Hebrews had more than 20 names for Him, and each of the names were significant in the context or circumstance in which it was used.

For example:

When Jesus prayed in Gethsemane, he referred to God as "Abba", simply meaning "father".
"Adonai" is a royal title of respect and refers to His majesty and authority, as the one in charge.
"El Elyon" refers to Him as "The Most High God"--Thou shall have no other gods before me
"El Roi" refers to Him as "The God who sees".
"El Shaddai" refers to Him as "The Almighty God".
"Elohim" refers to Him as "The Creator", or simply "The Lord".

"The" is a definite article, it is used as a function word to indicate that a following noun or noun equivalent is definite or has been previously specified by context or by circumstance--The Most High, The Almighty, The Creator, The Lord. The nouns that follow the article in context are not proper nouns, they are not God's NAME.

Moses said unto God, Behold, when I go to the children of Israel, and shall say to them, The God of your fathers has sent me to you; and they say to me, What is his name? what shall I tell them?

And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.


"I Am" is who God is, it is not his name.
The ancient Hebrews had more than 20 names for Him... (show quote)


I appreciate your love for your faith. Having a Jewish father and a Catholic mother I am a bit of a mix, some traditions, I enjoy from both, I am not a religious person though I consider myself spiritually connected. Thank you for the information.

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Aug 12, 2019 21:19:43   #
vernon (a regular here)
 
Lonewolf wrote:
At his rallies Trump is freely using the word goddamn more and more upsetting evangelicals even though I knew all along he had a potty mouth. But repeatedly taking the lord's name in vain is causing them great concern. The only thing Evangelical Christians or any Christian can get from politics is dirty


They may be Tired of Trump but not about to vote for one of lying communist that you guys love so much.

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Aug 12, 2019 21:27:25   #
vernon (a regular here)
 
Lonewolf wrote:
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/12/trump-evangelicals-blasphemy-profanity-1456178


If politico say he said it thats enough for me to say he didn't say it. you need to get a life.

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Aug 12, 2019 21:32:29   #
vernon (a regular here)
 
Lonewolf wrote:
You don't go to his hate fests


I watch watch his rallies on tv and I have never heard him use the LOrds name in vein.

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Aug 12, 2019 21:47:51   #
tactful (a regular here)
 
vernon wrote:
I watch watch his rallies on tv and I have never heard him use the LOrds name in vein.

I had to stop at I watch tv rallies.it speaks volumes about what I can't watch,why invite depression,it's depressing enough in real time to have it take up room in our heads,in short it's not needed or necessary. I don't watch news if I watch tv,life's too short. I do get tons of news feeds. on phone. none depicted or relayed the lords name in vain.

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Aug 12, 2019 23:56:38   #
tactful (a regular here)
 
vernon wrote:
They may be Tired of Trump but not about to vote for one of lying communist that you guys love so much.


Nornally,I never copy/paste(save word processing for work).this found in a newsfeed was an exception,it ties in directly to topic,
here's Johnny:
article

This Politico story about conservative evangelicals who have stood by Donald Trump's every scandal, lie, and act of cruelty suddenly now becoming profoundly upset because Trump said goddamn is further indication that the conservative evangelical movement is every bit the cesspool of insincere cultish malevolence its critics claim it to be. We do not have to be polite about this: After decades of the same behavior, no group of malevolent faux-Christians has ever stumbled into decency after a kind-hearted talk from other Americans has convinced them not to be raging, toxic asses working to the detriment of their nation, their communities, and their own families. It does not happen.

Anyone who still supports Trump after his myriad racist comments, after child separation, after his attacks on refugees fleeing violence, after his comments on women, two dozen reported assaults and several alleged rapes, and absolute indifference to any suffering other than his own is a garbage human being and will, barring an epiphany that it is beyond our power to manufacture, remain one, no matter how large a gold-colored cross they tuck themselves behind. To tolerate the steady drumbeat of lies and cruelties but get envapored over the embedded swear words is the perfect encapsulation of religious conservatism, as phenomenon and as movement.

In this version of Jesusness, torture is fine. Swear words are not. Blocking food distribution to the hungry and medical aid to the sick is Christlike; swear words are not. Turning away refugees fleeing violence, calling them diseased, or inherently criminal, or ethnic dangers to our "culture," is what Jesus Himself would do, in the red-letter sections of the New Testament. Swear words, however, are right out. Whether a child should live or die should be determined, as the Lord instructed, by whether the child's friends and relatives can raise sufficient funds in a bake sale to render treating the child at least marginally profitable; for government itself to step in is an abomination unto the private sector. But swear words, we must reiterate, are forbidden.

And any and all sin is forgivable, and is in fact so inconsequential as to not even require forgiving, from sexual assault, adultery, and rape to financial scammery to bearing false witness to a deep-seated personal vindictiveness that elevates do harm to perceived enemies into a foremost daily obsession—so long as you do not say shit or fuck or goddamn, words that poke through the tissue-thin veneer of decency that wraps loosely over all the worst of personal vulgarities and allows even the darkest and most self-absorbed soul to insist that they harbor the voice and will of The Lord Our God and you, Outsider, do not.

We've been here, literally, for decades. At this exact point. We have long hosted our own movement of casserole-bearing theocrats, all clamoring to do to America what they imagine the Apocalypse will do to Israel, but sooner—so that they can enjoy it properly and see off each person on their you had it coming list. But you're going to eff it up completely, fellow traveler, if you say swear words in your speech and break the illusion of holy decree. Holier than thou doesn't work if the thou suspects you are not in fact God's literal gift to humanity, Town Gossip Edition, and much in the same way that virulent racists are now using cartoon frogs or the okay gesture as ironic self-identifier, religious conservatives who have long removed themselves from abiding by the most exhausting of New Testament edicts have chosen the but at least we do not say “goddamn” to identify themselves to their peers.

Your neighbor may be a front-lawn racist, may sport a bumper sticker on their car demanding we nuke the Arabs and take their oil, may own three guns, two of which are reserved for pre-emptive murder if somebody needs murdering, may be a domestic abuser, may be a liar and a cheat, may cackle with cruelty in conversations about what to do with certain children or certain immigrants, but you will know they are your specific subsect of something-resembling-Christian if they say gosh darn instead of the other thing. The rest is open to interpretation.

Of course they support Trump—Trump is the very embodiment of what conservative Christianity ought to look like, an endless cycle of nasty score-settling and giving other Americans the what-for interspersed with ritualistic mysticism like the laying-on of hands. Then it's back to the torture-promotion, the barring of refugees, and the insistence that the poor and the sick pay their own way or die trying. Materialistic charlatans have been sitting themselves down on spray-painted golden thrones and claiming to be television messiahs since the invention of the medium; every one of them has claimed that they are closer to God than you are because they have their own private jet

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Aug 13, 2019 02:27:24   #
Blade_Runner (a regular here)
 
tactful wrote:
Nornally,I never copy/paste(save word processing for work).this found in a newsfeed was an exception,it ties in directly to topic,
here's Johnny:
article

This Politico story about conservative evangelicals who have stood by Donald Trump's every scandal, lie, and act of cruelty suddenly now becoming profoundly upset because Trump said goddamn is further indication that the conservative evangelical movement is every bit the cesspool of insincere cultish malevolence its critics claim it to be. We do not have to be polite about this: After decades of the same behavior, no group of malevolent faux-Christians has ever stumbled into decency after a kind-hearted talk from other Americans has convinced them not to be raging, toxic asses working to the detriment of their nation, their communities, and their own families. It does not happen.

Anyone who still supports Trump after his myriad racist comments, after child separation, after his attacks on refugees fleeing violence, after his comments on women, two dozen reported assaults and several alleged rapes, and absolute indifference to any suffering other than his own is a garbage human being and will, barring an epiphany that it is beyond our power to manufacture, remain one, no matter how large a gold-colored cross they tuck themselves behind. To tolerate the steady drumbeat of lies and cruelties but get envapored over the embedded swear words is the perfect encapsulation of religious conservatism, as phenomenon and as movement.

In this version of Jesusness, torture is fine. Swear words are not. Blocking food distribution to the hungry and medical aid to the sick is Christlike; swear words are not. Turning away refugees fleeing violence, calling them diseased, or inherently criminal, or ethnic dangers to our "culture," is what Jesus Himself would do, in the red-letter sections of the New Testament. Swear words, however, are right out. Whether a child should live or die should be determined, as the Lord instructed, by whether the child's friends and relatives can raise sufficient funds in a bake sale to render treating the child at least marginally profitable; for government itself to step in is an abomination unto the private sector. But swear words, we must reiterate, are forbidden.

And any and all sin is forgivable, and is in fact so inconsequential as to not even require forgiving, from sexual assault, adultery, and rape to financial scammery to bearing false witness to a deep-seated personal vindictiveness that elevates do harm to perceived enemies into a foremost daily obsession—so long as you do not say shit or fuck or goddamn, words that poke through the tissue-thin veneer of decency that wraps loosely over all the worst of personal vulgarities and allows even the darkest and most self-absorbed soul to insist that they harbor the voice and will of The Lord Our God and you, Outsider, do not.

We've been here, literally, for decades. At this exact point. We have long hosted our own movement of casserole-bearing theocrats, all clamoring to do to America what they imagine the Apocalypse will do to Israel, but sooner—so that they can enjoy it properly and see off each person on their you had it coming list. But you're going to eff it up completely, fellow traveler, if you say swear words in your speech and break the illusion of holy decree. Holier than thou doesn't work if the thou suspects you are not in fact God's literal gift to humanity, Town Gossip Edition, and much in the same way that virulent racists are now using cartoon frogs or the okay gesture as ironic self-identifier, religious conservatives who have long removed themselves from abiding by the most exhausting of New Testament edicts have chosen the but at least we do not say “goddamn” to identify themselves to their peers.

Your neighbor may be a front-lawn racist, may sport a bumper sticker on their car demanding we nuke the Arabs and take their oil, may own three guns, two of which are reserved for pre-emptive murder if somebody needs murdering, may be a domestic abuser, may be a liar and a cheat, may cackle with cruelty in conversations about what to do with certain children or certain immigrants, but you will know they are your specific subsect of something-resembling-Christian if they say gosh darn instead of the other thing. The rest is open to interpretation.

Of course they support Trump—Trump is the very embodiment of what conservative Christianity ought to look like, an endless cycle of nasty score-settling and giving other Americans the what-for interspersed with ritualistic mysticism like the laying-on of hands. Then it's back to the torture-promotion, the barring of refugees, and the insistence that the poor and the sick pay their own way or die trying. Materialistic charlatans have been sitting themselves down on spray-painted golden thrones and claiming to be television messiahs since the invention of the medium; every one of them has claimed that they are closer to God than you are because they have their own private jet
Nornally,I never copy/paste(save word processing f... (show quote)
This is no "newsfeed". it is an egregious and very ignorant condemnation of Christians and another pack of lies about president Trump.

Just who the hell is "johnny"?

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Aug 13, 2019 07:42:30   #
badbob85037 (a regular here)
 
Lonewolf wrote:
At his rallies Trump is freely using the word goddamn more and more upsetting evangelicals even though I knew all along he had a potty mouth. But repeatedly taking the lord's name in vain is causing them great concern. The only thing Evangelical Christians or any Christian can get from politics is dirty


God works in mysterious ways Open a Bible and you would know that.

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