factnotfiction

Puts things into prospective as to who wants to curtail gun violence and future mass shootings



https://nypost.com/2019/08/08/nra-warns-trump-after-he-endorses-background-checks/

Liberty Tree

Not the l*****t. They will not address the real issue.

Navigator

As I have said previously, laws that require you and your grandson to undergo a background check when you gift a single shot .22 to him and require you and your buddy to both get a background check when your buddy wants to try out your rifle at the range and then get another background check so your buddy can return your rifle to you are absurd and should be opposed by everyone. If the left could just propose a simple law that requires a background check only for the SALE of every gun and would exempt extended family members, the NRA would be more supportive. The problem is you let a liberal stick his little toe into a new anti-gun law and he attempts to insert his entire body.

tommsteyer

the point of all the liberal shrieking about the shooting tragedies was to shame Trump away from the NRA.

None of the people coming to Trump rallies are guilty of mass k*****g sprees. Gun Control . But the left wants to scare away NRA v**ers from punching in 2020 Trump on the b****t.


You could have 67 restrictions on the gun license appication and these crazy fries schizoids would steal their neighbors chainsaw or buy something on Craigslist. Or pay a couple of teenagers in the back woods for their dads rifles or swapmeet buys.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Gun sales surge fueled by first-timers, mostly for ‘concealed’ pistols

Gun sales are surging after the weekend mass shootings in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio, fueled by first-time buyers seeking pistols they can carry with them for protection.

The latest jump validated a big increase in purchases and background checks recorded by the FBI that show the four most recent months higher than the same months in 2018.

What’s more, the trend in the “National Instant Criminal Background Check System,” or NICS, is on a path to make 2018 the second biggest year since 2016, when gun owners and prospective gun owners filled stores before the p**********l e******n that was expected to elect gun control advocate Hillary Rodham Clinton.


Trump warned by NRA over background checks

President Donald Trump has repeatedly told lawmakers and aides in private conversations that he is open to endorsing extensive background checks in the wake of two mass shootings, prompting a warning from the National Rifle Association and concerns among White House aides, according to lawmakers and administration officials.

Trump, speaking to reporters Wednesday before visiting Dayton, Ohio, and El Paso, Texas, where weekend shootings left 31 dead, said there "was great appetite for background checks" amid an outcry over government inaction in the face of repeated mass shootings.

Trump's previous declarations of support for tougher gun controls, including after the deadly Parkland, Florida, shooting in February 2018, have foundered without a sustained push from the president and support from the NRA or Republican lawmakers. Even Trump's advisers question how far he will go on any effort.

NRA chief executive Wayne LaPierre spoke with Trump on Tuesday after the president expressed support for a background check bill and told him it would not be popular among Trump's supporters, according to officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity to freely discuss internal talks. LaPierre also argued against the bill's merits, the officials said.

The NRA, which opposes the legislation sponsored by Sens. Patrick Toomey, R-Pa., and Joe Manchin III, D-W.Va., declined to comment.

Advisers to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., said he would not bring any gun-control legislation to the floor without widespread Republican support. Trump has waffled, current and past White House officials say, between wanting to do more and growing concerned that doing so could prompt a revolt from his political base. Even some supporters of the Manchin-Toomey bill, which would expand background checks to nearly all firearm sales, say it is unlikely to pass.

4 dead, 2 wounded in Southern California stabbings

Lonewolf

Blade we have had these pain in the ass and expensive background checks for years what is different with these? And what about the dreaded gun show loophole last time I was at a gun show there was only 1 non dealer and all he has was a left hand bolt action Savage model 110 I think! And I have never heard of a crime being committed with a gun show weapon!?

Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX

No bill is better than a bad bill. This is a bad idea.

tommsteyer

its amazing how many insiders agree to talk freely under anonymity. Could be they are slanting the story.

Trump's insiders are a difficult bunch of prima donnas who contest Trump's right to rule . They consider their land a personal piece of the swamp.

Past "officials" sounds partisan as anything, especially since they're not willing to go on record.

I doubt very much that anyone trusted to Be in such talks would go running to leak the news.
That it is out of fear of losing his base that T***p w*n't move as fast as the liberal Left agenda demands.

Trump knows when the Left is trying to play him on tilt.
And Trump learned a Long time ago not to make key decisions when i***t disloyal players likely to leak were in the room.

The fact is T***p w*n't make any new friends catering to the Left's demand for tighter gun laws.

The laws on the books right now weren't enforced well enough to have caught these Dayton and El Paso hayseeds. So new legislation just marks one in the column for the Left.

Trump didn't get thanked for visiting El Paso or Dayton. Nothing can put back the remarks Biden said in his speeches. Or the remarks of Beto. Or Booker.

Where then is the upside of proposing promoting or ordering more gun legislation?

T***p w*n't get thanked and the press will maul him if he cures cancer and gives everyone in Dayton and El Paso a $1 million each.

Are his clever the Democrats are? They spout all this blather about d******eness and hatred.
But it's their loudmouths calling for Mitch MCConnels death.

No upside for Trump to change gun laws.

If Biden and Booker and Beto had really wanted the change they would have kept the invective mild. Given Trump a window to act.

Instead they slammed Trump with a host of undeserved and foul slurs. With fundraising email solicitations sent out directly after their speeches.

If I were Trump I wouldn't budge. The facts about El Paso aren't in. One of the shooters mother went to police weeks ago. They did nothing.

No radical left protest power in that, is there?

woodguru

Trump can say wh**ever he wants knowing McConnell has his back and won't v**e on anything.

The president as a leader could and should be making it 100% clear to the senate that it is time to stop k*****g bills and start governing by debating and v****g on the hundreds of bills that have been sent to the senate over the last eight months. McConnell is aiding and abetting a do nothing government even though the house is finally passing bipartisan bills that would pass.

woodguru

Which is why background checks and wait periods are necessary. I bought a gun years ago from Nevada, I had to wait ten days to go back and pick it up. This is a small price to pay if it can f**g a sale to a person who has a record of domestic violence that should not have access to guns.

Rose42

You could have been a nut and easily hidden it from people. Many k**lers have.

Navigator

It's called a bi-cameral legislature. The Senate has the constitutional responsibility to ignore hundreds of ill-considered bill sent to them by the partisan House of Representatives.

Navigator

It is quite a large price to pay when you know someone is going to try to seriously hurt or k**l you during that ten day period. Improve the effectiveness of the INSTANT background check to prevent guns being purchased by those who shouldn't have them no matter how long the waiting period while allowing those who need a gun for protection right now to get one.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Yeah, I know. The NICS system has the potential of being quite effective if its requirements for purchases were enforced. Problem is many police departments and courts are failing miserably in enforcing gun laws, and many politicians will not demand it. Plus, there are licensed gun dealers who have cut corners to make a buck. I think it would make a big difference also if the IDs of people with recognized and officially documented dangerous mental issues are uploaded to the NICS database.

I've attended some of the biggest gun shows in America--Midwest Arms Collectors, Crossroads of the West, Washington Arms Collectors--and quite a few smaller ones. Talked to a lot of dealers and the police officers and sheriff's deputies who patrol them, and haven't heard of unauthorized or illegal sales taking place. The cops told me that, based on the stats, gun shows are the last place criminals would go to obtain weapons. A study on where criminals get their guns revealed that 0.8% bought or traded for the firearm at a gun show. The biggest source is off the street or the black market. 7% are stolen.

What we really need, wolf, is diligent and aggressive enforcement of the most sensible gun laws already on the books.

Lonewolf

I bought one last week and it took about an hour and I went home with it.it used to take 10 minutes.