JimMe

USA States and the Federal Government acknowledge 18 years of age to be an adult, and younger than 18 to be a minor...

It is this understanding that has all States and the Federal Government set the v****g age at 18...

So, when a State sets its v****g age to 16 or 17, they are acknowledging them to be adults, and by acknowledging them as adults, must treat 16 or 17 year olds accordingly... Any Criminal Indictments of 16 or 17 year olds must be tried in their adult courts, and the 16 or 17 year olds must serve any convictions in adult facilities, and have adult conviction records for the remainder of their adult lives...

Big dog

That makes perfect sense. And of coarse these same 16 and 17 year olds can purchase alcohol and tobacco products, and enlist in the military, and be subject to a mandatory draft.
On the other hand, states that want to designate 21 as the age to purchase alcohol or tobacco should also mandate that these people are still “children “ in all aspects.

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

In what state is the v****g age lower than 18, and in what state is the legal drinking age lower than 21?

vernon

Question, If people can buy tobacco at outrageous taxes why shouldn't weed be taxed at the same rate?

JimMe

PaulPisces... Currently, you are correct... 18 is the Legal Age for v****g... However, CNN on March 9, 2019 did report:
"... Massachusetts Rep. Ayanna Pressley is trying to change that. Last week she introduced an amendment to a v****g rights bill to lower the v****g age from 18 to 16..."
So, there is at least one State looking to lower their v****g age to 16, and Sen Feinstein of California has stated she supports 16 year old v****g (that was also reported by CNN on March 9, 2019)...

As for Legal Age for drinking alcohol, ProCon.org on March 10, 2016 did report:
"45 States That Allow Underage (under 21) Alcohol Consumption"...
"... 45 states have exceptions to allow underage consumption of alcohol under certain circumstances. Five states (Alabama, Arkansas, Idaho, New Hampshire, and West Virginia) have no such exceptions..."

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

Thanks for sharing the information.

My sense is that a v****g age lower than 18 has little chance of becoming law, but then I suppose one might argue that setting v****g age is a right delegated to the states. In any case, the 26th Amendment does protect the right to v**e for those 18 years of age and older. But I don't see a Constitutional Amendment for universally lowering that age gaining traction any time soon.

As to alcohol consumption, the various state exceptions are indeed numerous, though they seem to be logical and fair (i.e., for religious purposes such as wine at Communion, with adult supervision, etc.) But the legal age for PURCHASING alcoholic beverages is universal among all 50 states at 21. I found this interactive map useful:

https://www.youthrights.org/issues/drinking-age/laws-in-all-50-states/#info

As to ProCon's information quoted above from 2016, the information about Alabama having no restrictions for drinking under 21 is currently incorrect.

"It is against Alabama’s alcohol laws for anyone under the age of 21 to consume alcohol. That includes adults aged 18, 19, and 20. And it includes active members of the U.S. military."

https://www.alcoholproblemsandsolutions.org/alabama-alcohol-laws/

JimMe

TY on the Alabama update for under age drinking... That's what happens when I use 3 year old info...

Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX

Because the cartels don't want the competition and neither does the left or Rinos.

JimMe

Peewee... The amazing thing is, if the cartels got weed legalized throughout the USA, like alcohol, they could become importers of "high quality" products, much like Heineken Beer and Grey Goose Vodka... But they don't seem to understand this...

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

Federal drinking age is 18 on Military bases. Unless things have changed recently.

Several states years ago used to have different drinking ages for hard liquor and beer. What changed that everyone went to 21 to drink? MADD, DOT withholding t***sportation and highway funds?

JimMe

With this thinking, shouldn't Our Congress look to Amend Our Constitution to have V**ers be at least 21... Except for Military which would be 18... I mean, if you are not Adult enough to handle consuming liquor, how could anyone be Adult enough to handle placing someone in a Government Office affecting the lives of everyone within their level of Government?!?

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

I'm in favor of raising the v****g age. A person has to be twenty-five to be elected to Congress, so maybe v**ers should also be 25 to v**e. Thirty to be a Senator, so 30 is a good age to be able to v**e for Senators. Thirty-five for president, and so on.

Wait a minute...AOC was 29 when she took office. Maybe 25 is also too young to v**e!

promilitary

I don't know but we tried it in Illinois.....it was a disaster.
Surprising what two years of growing up will do.

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

2020 Democrats Rush To Defend Child Murderers, Rapists From Death Penalty


By RYAN SAAVEDRA
@REALSAAVEDRA
July 26, 2019
The field of 2020 Democratic p**********l candidates rushed to defend five convicted child murderers over the last 24 hours in response to the Trump administration's announcement that it will resume federal executions and will start with those five criminals.

Daniel Lewis Lee, a member of a w***e s*********t group, murdered a family of three, including an eight-year-old girl. After robbing and shooting the victims with a stun gun, Lee covered their heads with plastic bags, sealed the bags with duct tape, weighed down each victim with rocks, and threw the family of three into the Illinois bayou.

Lezmond Mitchell stabbed to death a 63-year-old grandmother and forced her nine-year-old granddaughter to sit beside her lifeless body for a 30 to 40-mile drive. Mitchell then slit the girl's throat twice, crushed her head with 20-pound rocks, and severed and buried both victims' heads and hands.

Wesley Ira Purkey violently raped and murdered a 16-year-old girl, and then dismembered, burned, and dumped the young girl's body in a septic pond. He also was convicted in state court for using a claw hammer to bludgeon to death an 80-year-old woman who suffered from polio and walked with a cane.

Alfred Bourgeois physically and emotionally tortured, sexually molested, and then beat to death his two-and-a-half-year-old daughter.

Dustin Lee Honken shot and k**led five people — two men who planned to testify against him and a single, working mother and her ten-year-old and six-year-old daughters.

Nearly all of the 2020 Democratic p**********l candidates attacked the Trump administration for seeking the death penalty against these heinous criminals.

Former Vice President Joe Biden tweeted: "Since 1973, over 160 individuals in this country have been sentenced to death and were later exonerated. Because we can’t ensure that we get these cases right every time, we must eliminate the death penalty."

Mayor Pete Buttigieg tweeted: "Justice is not equally distributed in our country. Too often, race and geography determine who lives and who dies. We should be joining the ranks of modern nations and abolishing the death penalty—not expanding its reach."

Sen. Kamala Harris (D-CA) tweeted: "This morning, the Department of Justice announced they would resume capital punishment. Let me be clear: capital punishment is immoral and deeply flawed. Too many innocent people have been put to death. We need a national moratorium on the death penalty, not a resurrection."

Far-left billionaire Tom Steyer tweeted: "Another huge misstep by the Trump Administration. Their leadership on what it means to be an American couldn’t be more misguided. Mr. Barr is a national disgrace."

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio tweeted: "Our governments have not been able to get to the t***h consistently enough to have the right to take a life. I’ve always opposed the death penalty and this time is no different. The Trump administration should leave the death penalty in the past where it belongs."

Rep. Tim Ryan (D-OH) tweeted: "Our criminal justice system is broken and the death penalty is blatantly prejudiced and unevenly applied. We know innocent people have been executed by the state for crimes they didn’t commit. That should never happen in this country."

Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) tweeted: "Our criminal justice system has a long history of mistakes when it comes to capital punishment—especially when it comes to Black and Brown people. We cannot let a broken system decide the fate of incarcerated Americans. I oppose the death penalty."

Failed Texas U.S. Senate candidate Beto O'Rourke: "Abolish the death penalty."

Socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) tweeted: "There’s enough violence in the world. The government shouldn’t add to it. When I am president, we will abolish the death penalty."

Zoe Tillman
DOJ announced that the federal government is going to resume capital punishment, and AG Bill Bar has directed the Bureau of Prisons to schedule executions for five death-row inmates

Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) tweeted: "I believe the death penalty is a violation of human rights, a glaring signifier of our broken criminal justice system, and a moral wrong. Our government should not be in the business of execution."

Sen. Cory Booker (D-NJ) tweeted: "The death penalty is not justice—it's an immoral and ineffective form of punishment that has k**led innocent people, and is biased against people of color, low-income, and those with mental illness. We should abolish the death penalty."

Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-MN) tweeted out a statement suggesting that the death penalty was r****t:

Amy Klobuchar
My statement on the federal government resuming capital punishment for the first time in nearly two decades:

Julian Castro tweeted: "As the Attorney General moves ahead with the first federal executions since 2003, I'll say it again: We should abolish the death penalty. It is wrong."

Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX

I'm beginning to think OCD and TDS are the same thing.