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Jul 18, 2019 17:07:08   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
This is what the foul dude in our white house is truly about.

Funny thing as fate would have it, I’m in a unique position to weigh in on this. After I retired from the Marine Corps in 2009, I got a job as a contractor training International Military people in Leadership, Ethics and many other military subjects, but the main focus has been on Leadership and Ethics.

Over the last 10 years I have developed 100’s of hours of curriculum and provided instruction on these subjects to well over a 1000 students (Ranking from Cpl to Major General) from over a 100 different countries. The last time I added it up I have over 5,000 hours of podium time teaching and at least as many additional hours in professional discussion groups with students and guest speakers from all areas of our government, I.E. active duty military, retired military, DOD, State Dept, etc, etc.

While I have conducted most of this at the NETSAFA International Training Center (NITC), here in Pensacola, FL, I have also deployed to several countries to conduct instruction as the lead instructor of Mobile Education and Training Teams (METTs) in their home countries namely: Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Sierre Leone, Madagascar 2x, Comoros 2x, Trinidad and Antigua.

Starting in 2015 when Trump started to run for office, he generated a lot of interest and questions from students. At first the overwhelming attitude was that he was just a joke. Many students actually thought he wasn’t really running, but it was just part of a TV show, etc. However, many other students who had lived through revolutions and c**ps in their own countries expressed concern that he was displaying very similar speech and methods they had heard from tyrants dictators. In the end everyone thought he would lose, so it was just more like curious gossip than anything else. People reading this need to realize that in today’s connected world, even in some very remote areas, people are much better informed about what goes on here than most Americans would ever imagine. Make no mistake, the world is always watching us and they are very interested.

After he won, the attitude among the students changed completely. After that they rarely said anything, or asked questions about him in the classroom. Off line, when we went on trips, over dinner, drinks, etc. They often expressed a lot of (whispered) concern and I actually heard several students (from many different countries) say something like: “How could the United States elect someone like this?” They seemed dumbfounded as to how this could happen? The general view was that they thought we were better than that? You also could sense we lost a lot of high ground in the classroom when trying to teach leadership and especially ethics. Surprisingly though, many thought it was still just a joke, they didn’t think it was real. When I reassured them it wasn’t a joke, they stopped laughing.

As you may guess, it is very tough to preach ethics namely; Integrity, honesty, loyalty, dignity, self-less service, courage, etc. when you have Trump as your national standard bearer. However, as these are all active military duty people, we take the stance that Trump is a civilian and has never served in the military and is from a business/political world. As such he never had to learn and follow the strict rules of integrity, trust, etc. that are essential for military leaders. We preach that the military has higher standards and we do our best to keep politics out of our discussions/classes. Well I do, regrettably other instructors love to engage students in political (and even worse: religious) discussions. Mostly this is to put forward their views (on both the left and the right). I stay away from all those discussions other than to provide factual background to put down the ridiculous rumors and misunderstandings that come up from time to time.

I will say the students from Europe are much more out spoken about this obvious hypocritical dilemma than the students from the Middle East or Africa. It’s because if you know their history and culture of many of these countries, they grew up and still live now in either dictatorships, or something very close to it. Freedom of speech isn’t something they have every had in their homelands and the results of anyone (especially a military person), from speaking anything negative about their leaders, or government will be very harsh. I get the impression that many of them think this is how the situation is here now and hence they are scared to say anything. Many senior students (those that have had long relationships with our military) have expressed concern that our policy overseas is now unpredictable and erratic.

IMO there is no doubt that the United States is now looked at in a lesser light by people of other countries since Trump has been elected. Not that they think the country is about to melt down, start a war, etc. But my sense is that they just don’t have the faith in our system that they once had. No matter where I went (over 40 countries) with the exception of Iraq during the war there, I always found the people to have a lot of respect and affection for our country and people. This was especially true of the people that had been here and experienced it first hand. Make no mistake other countries have no illusions as to our military and/or economic might. Especially those who have been around our military are in awe of what they see. However, when before I think we were held up as a shining example of good in the world, It seems we are looked on more with fear and mistrust more than anything else.

On the other hand just as a comparison, when Obama was president. Our students, especially those from 3rd world countries couldn’t stop talking about him. When ever I told my students about the time I met Obama, it was like telling them you met Jesus Christ. There was a lot of obvious hero worship surrounding Obama, especially as you might guess from the African, Far East and Caribbean students. We routinely take classes to Great Lakes to visit the Navy Boot Camp there for them to witness some training. Which they are always impressed by. During that trip we always spend a day in Chicago seeing the sites. For them the highlight of the trip was always to see the Obama house from behind a barricade, a block away.

BTW, I didn’t v**e for Obama, or Trump (or Clinton). So put what ever bulls**t you’re thinking out of your mind.

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Jul 18, 2019 17:50:18   #
Lonewolf
 
permafrost wrote:
This is what the foul dude in our white house is truly about.

Funny thing as fate would have it, I’m in a unique position to weigh in on this. After I retired from the Marine Corps in 2009, I got a job as a contractor training International Military people in Leadership, Ethics and many other military subjects, but the main focus has been on Leadership and Ethics.

Over the last 10 years I have developed 100’s of hours of curriculum and provided instruction on these subjects to well over a 1000 students (Ranking from Cpl to Major General) from over a 100 different countries. The last time I added it up I have over 5,000 hours of podium time teaching and at least as many additional hours in professional discussion groups with students and guest speakers from all areas of our government, I.E. active duty military, retired military, DOD, State Dept, etc, etc.

While I have conducted most of this at the NETSAFA International Training Center (NITC), here in Pensacola, FL, I have also deployed to several countries to conduct instruction as the lead instructor of Mobile Education and Training Teams (METTs) in their home countries namely: Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Sierre Leone, Madagascar 2x, Comoros 2x, Trinidad and Antigua.

Starting in 2015 when Trump started to run for office, he generated a lot of interest and questions from students. At first the overwhelming attitude was that he was just a joke. Many students actually thought he wasn’t really running, but it was just part of a TV show, etc. However, many other students who had lived through revolutions and c**ps in their own countries expressed concern that he was displaying very similar speech and methods they had heard from tyrants dictators. In the end everyone thought he would lose, so it was just more like curious gossip than anything else. People reading this need to realize that in today’s connected world, even in some very remote areas, people are much better informed about what goes on here than most Americans would ever imagine. Make no mistake, the world is always watching us and they are very interested.

After he won, the attitude among the students changed completely. After that they rarely said anything, or asked questions about him in the classroom. Off line, when we went on trips, over dinner, drinks, etc. They often expressed a lot of (whispered) concern and I actually heard several students (from many different countries) say something like: “How could the United States elect someone like this?” They seemed dumbfounded as to how this could happen? The general view was that they thought we were better than that? You also could sense we lost a lot of high ground in the classroom when trying to teach leadership and especially ethics. Surprisingly though, many thought it was still just a joke, they didn’t think it was real. When I reassured them it wasn’t a joke, they stopped laughing.

As you may guess, it is very tough to preach ethics namely; Integrity, honesty, loyalty, dignity, self-less service, courage, etc. when you have Trump as your national standard bearer. However, as these are all active military duty people, we take the stance that Trump is a civilian and has never served in the military and is from a business/political world. As such he never had to learn and follow the strict rules of integrity, trust, etc. that are essential for military leaders. We preach that the military has higher standards and we do our best to keep politics out of our discussions/classes. Well I do, regrettably other instructors love to engage students in political (and even worse: religious) discussions. Mostly this is to put forward their views (on both the left and the right). I stay away from all those discussions other than to provide factual background to put down the ridiculous rumors and misunderstandings that come up from time to time.

I will say the students from Europe are much more out spoken about this obvious hypocritical dilemma than the students from the Middle East or Africa. It’s because if you know their history and culture of many of these countries, they grew up and still live now in either dictatorships, or something very close to it. Freedom of speech isn’t something they have every had in their homelands and the results of anyone (especially a military person), from speaking anything negative about their leaders, or government will be very harsh. I get the impression that many of them think this is how the situation is here now and hence they are scared to say anything. Many senior students (those that have had long relationships with our military) have expressed concern that our policy overseas is now unpredictable and erratic.

IMO there is no doubt that the United States is now looked at in a lesser light by people of other countries since Trump has been elected. Not that they think the country is about to melt down, start a war, etc. But my sense is that they just don’t have the faith in our system that they once had. No matter where I went (over 40 countries) with the exception of Iraq during the war there, I always found the people to have a lot of respect and affection for our country and people. This was especially true of the people that had been here and experienced it first hand. Make no mistake other countries have no illusions as to our military and/or economic might. Especially those who have been around our military are in awe of what they see. However, when before I think we were held up as a shining example of good in the world, It seems we are looked on more with fear and mistrust more than anything else.

On the other hand just as a comparison, when Obama was president. Our students, especially those from 3rd world countries couldn’t stop talking about him. When ever I told my students about the time I met Obama, it was like telling them you met Jesus Christ. There was a lot of obvious hero worship surrounding Obama, especially as you might guess from the African, Far East and Caribbean students. We routinely take classes to Great Lakes to visit the Navy Boot Camp there for them to witness some training. Which they are always impressed by. During that trip we always spend a day in Chicago seeing the sites. For them the highlight of the trip was always to see the Obama house from behind a barricade, a block away.

BTW, I didn’t v**e for Obama, or Trump (or Clinton). So put what ever bulls**t you’re thinking out of your mind.
This is what the foul dude in our white house is t... (show quote)


Nice post 2 years ago I went to the cz republic to drink beer and then to Italy and then went to see the Greeks.
Most of the people I interested felt sorry for us they could separate Americans from Trump.
I only stay with the people in the country I'm in ill rent a room in their home. I eat the same food they do and try to go along with their customs.
I have have sat at a table as I'm sure you have with people from a half a dozen countries
And loved every second.

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Jul 18, 2019 17:55:51   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
permafrost wrote:
This is what the foul dude in our white house is truly about.

Funny thing as fate would have it, I’m in a unique position to weigh in on this. After I retired from the Marine Corps in 2009, I got a job as a contractor training International Military people in Leadership, Ethics and many other military subjects, but the main focus has been on Leadership and Ethics.

Over the last 10 years I have developed 100’s of hours of curriculum and provided instruction on these subjects to well over a 1000 students (Ranking from Cpl to Major General) from over a 100 different countries. The last time I added it up I have over 5,000 hours of podium time teaching and at least as many additional hours in professional discussion groups with students and guest speakers from all areas of our government, I.E. active duty military, retired military, DOD, State Dept, etc, etc.

While I have conducted most of this at the NETSAFA International Training Center (NITC), here in Pensacola, FL, I have also deployed to several countries to conduct instruction as the lead instructor of Mobile Education and Training Teams (METTs) in their home countries namely: Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Sierre Leone, Madagascar 2x, Comoros 2x, Trinidad and Antigua.

Starting in 2015 when Trump started to run for office, he generated a lot of interest and questions from students. At first the overwhelming attitude was that he was just a joke. Many students actually thought he wasn’t really running, but it was just part of a TV show, etc. However, many other students who had lived through revolutions and c**ps in their own countries expressed concern that he was displaying very similar speech and methods they had heard from tyrants dictators. In the end everyone thought he would lose, so it was just more like curious gossip than anything else. People reading this need to realize that in today’s connected world, even in some very remote areas, people are much better informed about what goes on here than most Americans would ever imagine. Make no mistake, the world is always watching us and they are very interested.

After he won, the attitude among the students changed completely. After that they rarely said anything, or asked questions about him in the classroom. Off line, when we went on trips, over dinner, drinks, etc. They often expressed a lot of (whispered) concern and I actually heard several students (from many different countries) say something like: “How could the United States elect someone like this?” They seemed dumbfounded as to how this could happen? The general view was that they thought we were better than that? You also could sense we lost a lot of high ground in the classroom when trying to teach leadership and especially ethics. Surprisingly though, many thought it was still just a joke, they didn’t think it was real. When I reassured them it wasn’t a joke, they stopped laughing.

As you may guess, it is very tough to preach ethics namely; Integrity, honesty, loyalty, dignity, self-less service, courage, etc. when you have Trump as your national standard bearer. However, as these are all active military duty people, we take the stance that Trump is a civilian and has never served in the military and is from a business/political world. As such he never had to learn and follow the strict rules of integrity, trust, etc. that are essential for military leaders. We preach that the military has higher standards and we do our best to keep politics out of our discussions/classes. Well I do, regrettably other instructors love to engage students in political (and even worse: religious) discussions. Mostly this is to put forward their views (on both the left and the right). I stay away from all those discussions other than to provide factual background to put down the ridiculous rumors and misunderstandings that come up from time to time.

I will say the students from Europe are much more out spoken about this obvious hypocritical dilemma than the students from the Middle East or Africa. It’s because if you know their history and culture of many of these countries, they grew up and still live now in either dictatorships, or something very close to it. Freedom of speech isn’t something they have every had in their homelands and the results of anyone (especially a military person), from speaking anything negative about their leaders, or government will be very harsh. I get the impression that many of them think this is how the situation is here now and hence they are scared to say anything. Many senior students (those that have had long relationships with our military) have expressed concern that our policy overseas is now unpredictable and erratic.

IMO there is no doubt that the United States is now looked at in a lesser light by people of other countries since Trump has been elected. Not that they think the country is about to melt down, start a war, etc. But my sense is that they just don’t have the faith in our system that they once had. No matter where I went (over 40 countries) with the exception of Iraq during the war there, I always found the people to have a lot of respect and affection for our country and people. This was especially true of the people that had been here and experienced it first hand. Make no mistake other countries have no illusions as to our military and/or economic might. Especially those who have been around our military are in awe of what they see. However, when before I think we were held up as a shining example of good in the world, It seems we are looked on more with fear and mistrust more than anything else.

On the other hand just as a comparison, when Obama was president. Our students, especially those from 3rd world countries couldn’t stop talking about him. When ever I told my students about the time I met Obama, it was like telling them you met Jesus Christ. There was a lot of obvious hero worship surrounding Obama, especially as you might guess from the African, Far East and Caribbean students. We routinely take classes to Great Lakes to visit the Navy Boot Camp there for them to witness some training. Which they are always impressed by. During that trip we always spend a day in Chicago seeing the sites. For them the highlight of the trip was always to see the Obama house from behind a barricade, a block away.

BTW, I didn’t v**e for Obama, or Trump (or Clinton). So put what ever bulls**t you’re thinking out of your mind.
This is what the foul dude in our white house is t... (show quote)


Trumps definitions; Integrity - if they can't prove I did it, I didn't do it, Honesty - if I don't get caught, it's all cool, if I do get caught, blame someone else, loyalty - loyalty to me 100% over any other loyalty, no matter what I do or say, Dignity - as long as I can buy a chick to tell me I look fabulous, instead of short, fat, bald and off white................I look fabulous.

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Jul 18, 2019 17:56:25   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Lonewolf wrote:
Nice post 2 years ago I went to the cz republic to drink beer and then to Italy and then went to see the Greeks.
Most of the people I interested felt sorry for us they could separate Americans from Trump.
I only stay with the people in the country I'm in ill rent a room in their home. I eat the same food they do and try to go along with their customs.
I have have sat at a table as I'm sure you have with people from a half a dozen countries
And loved every second.



Sounds like a great trip..

I have never visited europe.. big goal which will never mange to do..

How is the beer ins Cz republic? Like German?

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Jul 18, 2019 17:57:25   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Trumps definitions; Integrity - if they can't prove I did it, I didn't do it, Honesty - if I don't get caught, it's all cool, if I do get caught, blame someone else, loyalty - loyalty to me 100% over any other loyalty, no matter what I do or say, Dignity - as long as I can buy a chick to tell me I look fabulous, instead of short, fat, bald and off white................I look fabulous.



Wow, that is the best report I can think of.

You nailed it..

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Jul 19, 2019 07:16:22   #
tophat
 
permafrost wrote:
This is what the foul dude in our white house is truly about.

Funny thing as fate would have it, I’m in a unique position to weigh in on this. After I retired from the Marine Corps in 2009, I got a job as a contractor training International Military people in Leadership, Ethics and many other military subjects, but the main focus has been on Leadership and Ethics.

Over the last 10 years I have developed 100’s of hours of curriculum and provided instruction on these subjects to well over a 1000 students (Ranking from Cpl to Major General) from over a 100 different countries. The last time I added it up I have over 5,000 hours of podium time teaching and at least as many additional hours in professional discussion groups with students and guest speakers from all areas of our government, I.E. active duty military, retired military, DOD, State Dept, etc, etc.

While I have conducted most of this at the NETSAFA International Training Center (NITC), here in Pensacola, FL, I have also deployed to several countries to conduct instruction as the lead instructor of Mobile Education and Training Teams (METTs) in their home countries namely: Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Sierre Leone, Madagascar 2x, Comoros 2x, Trinidad and Antigua.

Starting in 2015 when Trump started to run for office, he generated a lot of interest and questions from students. At first the overwhelming attitude was that he was just a joke. Many students actually thought he wasn’t really running, but it was just part of a TV show, etc. However, many other students who had lived through revolutions and c**ps in their own countries expressed concern that he was displaying very similar speech and methods they had heard from tyrants dictators. In the end everyone thought he would lose, so it was just more like curious gossip than anything else. People reading this need to realize that in today’s connected world, even in some very remote areas, people are much better informed about what goes on here than most Americans would ever imagine. Make no mistake, the world is always watching us and they are very interested.

After he won, the attitude among the students changed completely. After that they rarely said anything, or asked questions about him in the classroom. Off line, when we went on trips, over dinner, drinks, etc. They often expressed a lot of (whispered) concern and I actually heard several students (from many different countries) say something like: “How could the United States elect someone like this?” They seemed dumbfounded as to how this could happen? The general view was that they thought we were better than that? You also could sense we lost a lot of high ground in the classroom when trying to teach leadership and especially ethics. Surprisingly though, many thought it was still just a joke, they didn’t think it was real. When I reassured them it wasn’t a joke, they stopped laughing.

As you may guess, it is very tough to preach ethics namely; Integrity, honesty, loyalty, dignity, self-less service, courage, etc. when you have Trump as your national standard bearer. However, as these are all active military duty people, we take the stance that Trump is a civilian and has never served in the military and is from a business/political world. As such he never had to learn and follow the strict rules of integrity, trust, etc. that are essential for military leaders. We preach that the military has higher standards and we do our best to keep politics out of our discussions/classes. Well I do, regrettably other instructors love to engage students in political (and even worse: religious) discussions. Mostly this is to put forward their views (on both the left and the right). I stay away from all those discussions other than to provide factual background to put down the ridiculous rumors and misunderstandings that come up from time to time.

I will say the students from Europe are much more out spoken about this obvious hypocritical dilemma than the students from the Middle East or Africa. It’s because if you know their history and culture of many of these countries, they grew up and still live now in either dictatorships, or something very close to it. Freedom of speech isn’t something they have every had in their homelands and the results of anyone (especially a military person), from speaking anything negative about their leaders, or government will be very harsh. I get the impression that many of them think this is how the situation is here now and hence they are scared to say anything. Many senior students (those that have had long relationships with our military) have expressed concern that our policy overseas is now unpredictable and erratic.

IMO there is no doubt that the United States is now looked at in a lesser light by people of other countries since Trump has been elected. Not that they think the country is about to melt down, start a war, etc. But my sense is that they just don’t have the faith in our system that they once had. No matter where I went (over 40 countries) with the exception of Iraq during the war there, I always found the people to have a lot of respect and affection for our country and people. This was especially true of the people that had been here and experienced it first hand. Make no mistake other countries have no illusions as to our military and/or economic might. Especially those who have been around our military are in awe of what they see. However, when before I think we were held up as a shining example of good in the world, It seems we are looked on more with fear and mistrust more than anything else.

On the other hand just as a comparison, when Obama was president. Our students, especially those from 3rd world countries couldn’t stop talking about him. When ever I told my students about the time I met Obama, it was like telling them you met Jesus Christ. There was a lot of obvious hero worship surrounding Obama, especially as you might guess from the African, Far East and Caribbean students. We routinely take classes to Great Lakes to visit the Navy Boot Camp there for them to witness some training. Which they are always impressed by. During that trip we always spend a day in Chicago seeing the sites. For them the highlight of the trip was always to see the Obama house from behind a barricade, a block away.

BTW, I didn’t v**e for Obama, or Trump (or Clinton). So put what ever bulls**t you’re thinking out of your mind.
This is what the foul dude in our white house is t... (show quote)


Well, pin a rose on your nose!

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Jul 19, 2019 16:58:58   #
badbobby Loc: texas
 
permafrost wrote:
This is what the foul dude in our white house is truly about.

Funny thing as fate would have it, I’m in a unique position to weigh in on this. After I retired from the Marine Corps in 2009, I got a job as a contractor training International Military people in Leadership, Ethics and many other military subjects, but the main focus has been on Leadership and Ethics.

Over the last 10 years I have developed 100’s of hours of curriculum and provided instruction on these subjects to well over a 1000 students (Ranking from Cpl to Major General) from over a 100 different countries. The last time I added it up I have over 5,000 hours of podium time teaching and at least as many additional hours in professional discussion groups with students and guest speakers from all areas of our government, I.E. active duty military, retired military, DOD, State Dept, etc, etc.

While I have conducted most of this at the NETSAFA International Training Center (NITC), here in Pensacola, FL, I have also deployed to several countries to conduct instruction as the lead instructor of Mobile Education and Training Teams (METTs) in their home countries namely: Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Sierre Leone, Madagascar 2x, Comoros 2x, Trinidad and Antigua.

Starting in 2015 when Trump started to run for office, he generated a lot of interest and questions from students. At first the overwhelming attitude was that he was just a joke. Many students actually thought he wasn’t really running, but it was just part of a TV show, etc. However, many other students who had lived through revolutions and c**ps in their own countries expressed concern that he was displaying very similar speech and methods they had heard from tyrants dictators. In the end everyone thought he would lose, so it was just more like curious gossip than anything else. People reading this need to realize that in today’s connected world, even in some very remote areas, people are much better informed about what goes on here than most Americans would ever imagine. Make no mistake, the world is always watching us and they are very interested.

After he won, the attitude among the students changed completely. After that they rarely said anything, or asked questions about him in the classroom. Off line, when we went on trips, over dinner, drinks, etc. They often expressed a lot of (whispered) concern and I actually heard several students (from many different countries) say something like: “How could the United States elect someone like this?” They seemed dumbfounded as to how this could happen? The general view was that they thought we were better than that? You also could sense we lost a lot of high ground in the classroom when trying to teach leadership and especially ethics. Surprisingly though, many thought it was still just a joke, they didn’t think it was real. When I reassured them it wasn’t a joke, they stopped laughing.

As you may guess, it is very tough to preach ethics namely; Integrity, honesty, loyalty, dignity, self-less service, courage, etc. when you have Trump as your national standard bearer. However, as these are all active military duty people, we take the stance that Trump is a civilian and has never served in the military and is from a business/political world. As such he never had to learn and follow the strict rules of integrity, trust, etc. that are essential for military leaders. We preach that the military has higher standards and we do our best to keep politics out of our discussions/classes. Well I do, regrettably other instructors love to engage students in political (and even worse: religious) discussions. Mostly this is to put forward their views (on both the left and the right). I stay away from all those discussions other than to provide factual background to put down the ridiculous rumors and misunderstandings that come up from time to time.

I will say the students from Europe are much more out spoken about this obvious hypocritical dilemma than the students from the Middle East or Africa. It’s because if you know their history and culture of many of these countries, they grew up and still live now in either dictatorships, or something very close to it. Freedom of speech isn’t something they have every had in their homelands and the results of anyone (especially a military person), from speaking anything negative about their leaders, or government will be very harsh. I get the impression that many of them think this is how the situation is here now and hence they are scared to say anything. Many senior students (those that have had long relationships with our military) have expressed concern that our policy overseas is now unpredictable and erratic.

IMO there is no doubt that the United States is now looked at in a lesser light by people of other countries since Trump has been elected. Not that they think the country is about to melt down, start a war, etc. But my sense is that they just don’t have the faith in our system that they once had. No matter where I went (over 40 countries) with the exception of Iraq during the war there, I always found the people to have a lot of respect and affection for our country and people. This was especially true of the people that had been here and experienced it first hand. Make no mistake other countries have no illusions as to our military and/or economic might. Especially those who have been around our military are in awe of what they see. However, when before I think we were held up as a shining example of good in the world, It seems we are looked on more with fear and mistrust more than anything else.

On the other hand just as a comparison, when Obama was president. Our students, especially those from 3rd world countries couldn’t stop talking about him. When ever I told my students about the time I met Obama, it was like telling them you met Jesus Christ. There was a lot of obvious hero worship surrounding Obama, especially as you might guess from the African, Far East and Caribbean students. We routinely take classes to Great Lakes to visit the Navy Boot Camp there for them to witness some training. Which they are always impressed by. During that trip we always spend a day in Chicago seeing the sites. For them the highlight of the trip was always to see the Obama house from behind a barricade, a block away.

BTW, I didn’t v**e for Obama, or Trump (or Clinton). So put what ever bulls**t you’re thinking out of your mind.
This is what the foul dude in our white house is t... (show quote)

cc'mon perm
yall lost
we won
tell us how you h**e the jobs Trump has added
tell us how more African Americans are now employed than ever before
tell us about the tax cuts he gave to the working man
tell us how he stood up to 'rocket man'
even got him considering to disarm his nukes
tell us how he got us outta that terrible deal your president Obama got us into with Iran
tell us how he is making our allies pay their fare share for protecting Europe
and it aint finished yet but he will get China to agree to fair trade
the foriegn students can say what they like
Trump has done worlds of good
in spite of the Democrats fighting everything he does

I'll shut up now

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Jul 19, 2019 20:08:49   #
markinny
 
badbobby wrote:
cc'mon perm
yall lost
we won
tell us how you h**e the jobs Trump has added
tell us how more African Americans are now employed than ever before
tell us about the tax cuts he gave to the working man
tell us how he stood up to 'rocket man'
even got him considering to disarm his nukes
tell us how he got us outta that terrible deal your president Obama got us into with Iran
tell us how he is making our allies pay their fare share for protecting Europe
and it aint finished yet but he will get China to agree to fair trade
the foriegn students can say what they like
Trump has done worlds of good
in spite of the Democrats fighting everything he does

I'll shut up now
cc'mon perm br yall lost br we won br tell us how ... (show quote)


right on my man.

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Jul 19, 2019 20:55:47   #
Auntie Dee
 
permafrost wrote:
This is what the foul dude in our white house is truly about.

Funny thing as fate would have it, I’m in a unique position to weigh in on this. After I retired from the Marine Corps in 2009, I got a job as a contractor training International Military people in Leadership, Ethics and many other military subjects, but the main focus has been on Leadership and Ethics.

Over the last 10 years I have developed 100’s of hours of curriculum and provided instruction on these subjects to well over a 1000 students (Ranking from Cpl to Major General) from over a 100 different countries. The last time I added it up I have over 5,000 hours of podium time teaching and at least as many additional hours in professional discussion groups with students and guest speakers from all areas of our government, I.E. active duty military, retired military, DOD, State Dept, etc, etc.

While I have conducted most of this at the NETSAFA International Training Center (NITC), here in Pensacola, FL, I have also deployed to several countries to conduct instruction as the lead instructor of Mobile Education and Training Teams (METTs) in their home countries namely: Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Sierre Leone, Madagascar 2x, Comoros 2x, Trinidad and Antigua.

Starting in 2015 when Trump started to run for office, he generated a lot of interest and questions from students. At first the overwhelming attitude was that he was just a joke. Many students actually thought he wasn’t really running, but it was just part of a TV show, etc. However, many other students who had lived through revolutions and c**ps in their own countries expressed concern that he was displaying very similar speech and methods they had heard from tyrants dictators. In the end everyone thought he would lose, so it was just more like curious gossip than anything else. People reading this need to realize that in today’s connected world, even in some very remote areas, people are much better informed about what goes on here than most Americans would ever imagine. Make no mistake, the world is always watching us and they are very interested.

After he won, the attitude among the students changed completely. After that they rarely said anything, or asked questions about him in the classroom. Off line, when we went on trips, over dinner, drinks, etc. They often expressed a lot of (whispered) concern and I actually heard several students (from many different countries) say something like: “How could the United States elect someone like this?” They seemed dumbfounded as to how this could happen? The general view was that they thought we were better than that? You also could sense we lost a lot of high ground in the classroom when trying to teach leadership and especially ethics. Surprisingly though, many thought it was still just a joke, they didn’t think it was real. When I reassured them it wasn’t a joke, they stopped laughing.

As you may guess, it is very tough to preach ethics namely; Integrity, honesty, loyalty, dignity, self-less service, courage, etc. when you have Trump as your national standard bearer. However, as these are all active military duty people, we take the stance that Trump is a civilian and has never served in the military and is from a business/political world. As such he never had to learn and follow the strict rules of integrity, trust, etc. that are essential for military leaders. We preach that the military has higher standards and we do our best to keep politics out of our discussions/classes. Well I do, regrettably other instructors love to engage students in political (and even worse: religious) discussions. Mostly this is to put forward their views (on both the left and the right). I stay away from all those discussions other than to provide factual background to put down the ridiculous rumors and misunderstandings that come up from time to time.

I will say the students from Europe are much more out spoken about this obvious hypocritical dilemma than the students from the Middle East or Africa. It’s because if you know their history and culture of many of these countries, they grew up and still live now in either dictatorships, or something very close to it. Freedom of speech isn’t something they have every had in their homelands and the results of anyone (especially a military person), from speaking anything negative about their leaders, or government will be very harsh. I get the impression that many of them think this is how the situation is here now and hence they are scared to say anything. Many senior students (those that have had long relationships with our military) have expressed concern that our policy overseas is now unpredictable and erratic.

IMO there is no doubt that the United States is now looked at in a lesser light by people of other countries since Trump has been elected. Not that they think the country is about to melt down, start a war, etc. But my sense is that they just don’t have the faith in our system that they once had. No matter where I went (over 40 countries) with the exception of Iraq during the war there, I always found the people to have a lot of respect and affection for our country and people. This was especially true of the people that had been here and experienced it first hand. Make no mistake other countries have no illusions as to our military and/or economic might. Especially those who have been around our military are in awe of what they see. However, when before I think we were held up as a shining example of good in the world, It seems we are looked on more with fear and mistrust more than anything else.

On the other hand just as a comparison, when Obama was president. Our students, especially those from 3rd world countries couldn’t stop talking about him. When ever I told my students about the time I met Obama, it was like telling them you met Jesus Christ. There was a lot of obvious hero worship surrounding Obama, especially as you might guess from the African, Far East and Caribbean students. We routinely take classes to Great Lakes to visit the Navy Boot Camp there for them to witness some training. Which they are always impressed by. During that trip we always spend a day in Chicago seeing the sites. For them the highlight of the trip was always to see the Obama house from behind a barricade, a block away.

BTW, I didn’t v**e for Obama, or Trump (or Clinton). So put what ever bulls**t you’re thinking out of your mind.
This is what the foul dude in our white house is t... (show quote)


I can certainly understand why your foreign students questioned President Trump! With all the crap that the American MSM and International Press broadcast & publish, how could anyone who didn't totally see & understand the whole political picture have any other view?? Trump may be crude sometimes and is hardly ever politically correct, but that is why he has been able to accomplish as much as he has for this nation against 90+% lies and bad publicity! He is in your face because no one in the media is there for him with few exceptions.

By the same token, I can truly understand their view of President Obama -- because that was what was broadcast and published continually before, during & after his Presidency, so that is what they believe to be true whether it is or not!

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Jul 19, 2019 21:09:53   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
permafrost wrote:
This is what the foul dude in our white house is truly about.

Funny thing as fate would have it, I’m in a unique position to weigh in on this. After I retired from the Marine Corps in 2009, I got a job as a contractor training International Military people in Leadership, Ethics and many other military subjects, but the main focus has been on Leadership and Ethics.

Over the last 10 years I have developed 100’s of hours of curriculum and provided instruction on these subjects to well over a 1000 students (Ranking from Cpl to Major General) from over a 100 different countries. The last time I added it up I have over 5,000 hours of podium time teaching and at least as many additional hours in professional discussion groups with students and guest speakers from all areas of our government, I.E. active duty military, retired military, DOD, State Dept, etc, etc.

While I have conducted most of this at the NETSAFA International Training Center (NITC), here in Pensacola, FL, I have also deployed to several countries to conduct instruction as the lead instructor of Mobile Education and Training Teams (METTs) in their home countries namely: Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Sierre Leone, Madagascar 2x, Comoros 2x, Trinidad and Antigua.

Starting in 2015 when Trump started to run for office, he generated a lot of interest and questions from students. At first the overwhelming attitude was that he was just a joke. Many students actually thought he wasn’t really running, but it was just part of a TV show, etc. However, many other students who had lived through revolutions and c**ps in their own countries expressed concern that he was displaying very similar speech and methods they had heard from tyrants dictators. In the end everyone thought he would lose, so it was just more like curious gossip than anything else. People reading this need to realize that in today’s connected world, even in some very remote areas, people are much better informed about what goes on here than most Americans would ever imagine. Make no mistake, the world is always watching us and they are very interested.

After he won, the attitude among the students changed completely. After that they rarely said anything, or asked questions about him in the classroom. Off line, when we went on trips, over dinner, drinks, etc. They often expressed a lot of (whispered) concern and I actually heard several students (from many different countries) say something like: “How could the United States elect someone like this?” They seemed dumbfounded as to how this could happen? The general view was that they thought we were better than that? You also could sense we lost a lot of high ground in the classroom when trying to teach leadership and especially ethics. Surprisingly though, many thought it was still just a joke, they didn’t think it was real. When I reassured them it wasn’t a joke, they stopped laughing.

As you may guess, it is very tough to preach ethics namely; Integrity, honesty, loyalty, dignity, self-less service, courage, etc. when you have Trump as your national standard bearer. However, as these are all active military duty people, we take the stance that Trump is a civilian and has never served in the military and is from a business/political world. As such he never had to learn and follow the strict rules of integrity, trust, etc. that are essential for military leaders. We preach that the military has higher standards and we do our best to keep politics out of our discussions/classes. Well I do, regrettably other instructors love to engage students in political (and even worse: religious) discussions. Mostly this is to put forward their views (on both the left and the right). I stay away from all those discussions other than to provide factual background to put down the ridiculous rumors and misunderstandings that come up from time to time.

I will say the students from Europe are much more out spoken about this obvious hypocritical dilemma than the students from the Middle East or Africa. It’s because if you know their history and culture of many of these countries, they grew up and still live now in either dictatorships, or something very close to it. Freedom of speech isn’t something they have every had in their homelands and the results of anyone (especially a military person), from speaking anything negative about their leaders, or government will be very harsh. I get the impression that many of them think this is how the situation is here now and hence they are scared to say anything. Many senior students (those that have had long relationships with our military) have expressed concern that our policy overseas is now unpredictable and erratic.

IMO there is no doubt that the United States is now looked at in a lesser light by people of other countries since Trump has been elected. Not that they think the country is about to melt down, start a war, etc. But my sense is that they just don’t have the faith in our system that they once had. No matter where I went (over 40 countries) with the exception of Iraq during the war there, I always found the people to have a lot of respect and affection for our country and people. This was especially true of the people that had been here and experienced it first hand. Make no mistake other countries have no illusions as to our military and/or economic might. Especially those who have been around our military are in awe of what they see. However, when before I think we were held up as a shining example of good in the world, It seems we are looked on more with fear and mistrust more than anything else.

On the other hand just as a comparison, when Obama was president. Our students, especially those from 3rd world countries couldn’t stop talking about him. When ever I told my students about the time I met Obama, it was like telling them you met Jesus Christ. There was a lot of obvious hero worship surrounding Obama, especially as you might guess from the African, Far East and Caribbean students. We routinely take classes to Great Lakes to visit the Navy Boot Camp there for them to witness some training. Which they are always impressed by. During that trip we always spend a day in Chicago seeing the sites. For them the highlight of the trip was always to see the Obama house from behind a barricade, a block away.

BTW, I didn’t v**e for Obama, or Trump (or Clinton). So put what ever bulls**t you’re thinking out of your mind.
This is what the foul dude in our white house is t... (show quote)
Let's see here, we don't have a name, a link, an attribution, no way to verify or confirm the veracity of this screed, so, like so many other similar screeds that make their way around the internet--emails, blogs, forum posts, facebook and social networks, we can print this one out and line a bird cage with it. If we have a bird.

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Jul 20, 2019 02:03:50   #
Ricktloml
 
badbobby wrote:
cc'mon perm
yall lost
we won
tell us how you h**e the jobs Trump has added
tell us how more African Americans are now employed than ever before
tell us about the tax cuts he gave to the working man
tell us how he stood up to 'rocket man'
even got him considering to disarm his nukes
tell us how he got us outta that terrible deal your president Obama got us into with Iran
tell us how he is making our allies pay their fare share for protecting Europe
and it aint finished yet but he will get China to agree to fair trade
the foriegn students can say what they like
Trump has done worlds of good
in spite of the Democrats fighting everything he does

I'll shut up now
cc'mon perm br yall lost br we won br tell us how ... (show quote)



No need to point out all that. The paragragh equating that lying snake Obama with Jesus Christ says it all. The left worships their socialist god-king, and can't stand the fact that President Trump is undoing the harm he caused.

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Jul 20, 2019 07:47:17   #
Seth
 
badbobby wrote:
cc'mon perm
yall lost
we won
tell us how you h**e the jobs Trump has added
tell us how more African Americans are now employed than ever before
tell us about the tax cuts he gave to the working man
tell us how he stood up to 'rocket man'
even got him considering to disarm his nukes
tell us how he got us outta that terrible deal your president Obama got us into with Iran
tell us how he is making our allies pay their fare share for protecting Europe
and it aint finished yet but he will get China to agree to fair trade
the foriegn students can say what they like
Trump has done worlds of good
in spite of the Democrats fighting everything he does

I'll shut up now
cc'mon perm br yall lost br we won br tell us how ... (show quote)




You should have ended your post with "Any questions?"

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Jul 20, 2019 16:22:00   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
permafrost wrote:
This is what the foul dude in our white house is truly about.

Funny thing as fate would have it, I’m in a unique position to weigh in on this. After I retired from the Marine Corps in 2009, I got a job as a contractor training International Military people in Leadership, Ethics and many other military subjects, but the main focus has been on Leadership and Ethics.

Over the last 10 years I have developed 100’s of hours of curriculum and provided instruction on these subjects to well over a 1000 students (Ranking from Cpl to Major General) from over a 100 different countries. The last time I added it up I have over 5,000 hours of podium time teaching and at least as many additional hours in professional discussion groups with students and guest speakers from all areas of our government, I.E. active duty military, retired military, DOD, State Dept, etc, etc.

While I have conducted most of this at the NETSAFA International Training Center (NITC), here in Pensacola, FL, I have also deployed to several countries to conduct instruction as the lead instructor of Mobile Education and Training Teams (METTs) in their home countries namely: Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Sierre Leone, Madagascar 2x, Comoros 2x, Trinidad and Antigua.

Starting in 2015 when Trump started to run for office, he generated a lot of interest and questions from students. At first the overwhelming attitude was that he was just a joke. Many students actually thought he wasn’t really running, but it was just part of a TV show, etc. However, many other students who had lived through revolutions and c**ps in their own countries expressed concern that he was displaying very similar speech and methods they had heard from tyrants dictators. In the end everyone thought he would lose, so it was just more like curious gossip than anything else. People reading this need to realize that in today’s connected world, even in some very remote areas, people are much better informed about what goes on here than most Americans would ever imagine. Make no mistake, the world is always watching us and they are very interested.

After he won, the attitude among the students changed completely. After that they rarely said anything, or asked questions about him in the classroom. Off line, when we went on trips, over dinner, drinks, etc. They often expressed a lot of (whispered) concern and I actually heard several students (from many different countries) say something like: “How could the United States elect someone like this?” They seemed dumbfounded as to how this could happen? The general view was that they thought we were better than that? You also could sense we lost a lot of high ground in the classroom when trying to teach leadership and especially ethics. Surprisingly though, many thought it was still just a joke, they didn’t think it was real. When I reassured them it wasn’t a joke, they stopped laughing.

As you may guess, it is very tough to preach ethics namely; Integrity, honesty, loyalty, dignity, self-less service, courage, etc. when you have Trump as your national standard bearer. However, as these are all active military duty people, we take the stance that Trump is a civilian and has never served in the military and is from a business/political world. As such he never had to learn and follow the strict rules of integrity, trust, etc. that are essential for military leaders. We preach that the military has higher standards and we do our best to keep politics out of our discussions/classes. Well I do, regrettably other instructors love to engage students in political (and even worse: religious) discussions. Mostly this is to put forward their views (on both the left and the right). I stay away from all those discussions other than to provide factual background to put down the ridiculous rumors and misunderstandings that come up from time to time.

I will say the students from Europe are much more out spoken about this obvious hypocritical dilemma than the students from the Middle East or Africa. It’s because if you know their history and culture of many of these countries, they grew up and still live now in either dictatorships, or something very close to it. Freedom of speech isn’t something they have every had in their homelands and the results of anyone (especially a military person), from speaking anything negative about their leaders, or government will be very harsh. I get the impression that many of them think this is how the situation is here now and hence they are scared to say anything. Many senior students (those that have had long relationships with our military) have expressed concern that our policy overseas is now unpredictable and erratic.

IMO there is no doubt that the United States is now looked at in a lesser light by people of other countries since Trump has been elected. Not that they think the country is about to melt down, start a war, etc. But my sense is that they just don’t have the faith in our system that they once had. No matter where I went (over 40 countries) with the exception of Iraq during the war there, I always found the people to have a lot of respect and affection for our country and people. This was especially true of the people that had been here and experienced it first hand. Make no mistake other countries have no illusions as to our military and/or economic might. Especially those who have been around our military are in awe of what they see. However, when before I think we were held up as a shining example of good in the world, It seems we are looked on more with fear and mistrust more than anything else.

On the other hand just as a comparison, when Obama was president. Our students, especially those from 3rd world countries couldn’t stop talking about him. When ever I told my students about the time I met Obama, it was like telling them you met Jesus Christ. There was a lot of obvious hero worship surrounding Obama, especially as you might guess from the African, Far East and Caribbean students. We routinely take classes to Great Lakes to visit the Navy Boot Camp there for them to witness some training. Which they are always impressed by. During that trip we always spend a day in Chicago seeing the sites. For them the highlight of the trip was always to see the Obama house from behind a barricade, a block away.

BTW, I didn’t v**e for Obama, or Trump (or Clinton). So put what ever bulls**t you’re thinking out of your mind.
This is what the foul dude in our white house is t... (show quote)


This is real, not bulls**t. It must be kind of hard for you with Trump as President. Ethics etc., its almost hypocritical, but as another Marine, I know a bit better. You'd have to know Trump to understand him, does he lie-big time. Is he coarse with language? Same answer. His secret is from Queens or Brooklyn we screw with your mind. Am I defending him when he ignores everyone? No, just saying what is. Actually, he's changed a lot from our days in Queens, I think The Apprentice did it. Semper Fi.

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Jul 20, 2019 19:56:19   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
badbobby wrote:
cc'mon perm
yall lost
we won
tell us how you h**e the jobs Trump has added
tell us how more African Americans are now employed than ever before
tell us about the tax cuts he gave to the working man
tell us how he stood up to 'rocket man'
even got him considering to disarm his nukes
tell us how he got us outta that terrible deal your president Obama got us into with Iran
tell us how he is making our allies pay their fare share for protecting Europe
and it aint finished yet but he will get China to agree to fair trade
the foriegn students can say what they like
Trump has done worlds of good
in spite of the Democrats fighting everything he does

I'll shut up now
cc'mon perm br yall lost br we won br tell us how ... (show quote)




ha ha ha,,, how long will those working men have that tax cut??

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Jul 20, 2019 20:06:06   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Auntie Dee wrote:
I can certainly understand why your foreign students questioned President Trump! With all the crap that the American MSM and International Press broadcast & publish, how could anyone who didn't totally see & understand the whole political picture have any other view?? Trump may be crude sometimes and is hardly ever politically correct, but that is why he has been able to accomplish as much as he has for this nation against 90+% lies and bad publicity! He is in your face because no one in the media is there for him with few exceptions.

By the same token, I can truly understand their view of President Obama -- because that was what was broadcast and published continually before, during & after his Presidency, so that is what they believe to be true whether it is or not!
I can certainly understand why your foreign studen... (show quote)



I do not care at all that trump is a crude gutter born snip.. We knew that in the 1980s..

It is what he and his orange cult followers are doing to My country.. no longer are we the shinning light.
we are the excluded, because we do not even follow our own laws..

you right wingers constantly talk every day about the orange fools accomplishments.
that would mean that he has done something good for the nation and the people, but you can not name anything except his service to himself..

I was returning a post to bobby, who did list a few things, but hit the wrong key and lost the darn thing..may go back and try again or just read a book..



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