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Jul 15, 2019 19:05:30   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Keeping in mind he died in 1965, I especially appreciate Mr. Murrow's thoughts concerning radio & television.

https://www.azquotes.com/author/10605-Edward R. Murrow

American traditions and the American ethic require us to be t***hful, but the most important reason is that t***h is the best propaganda and lies are the worst. To be persuasive we must be believable; to be believable we must be credible; to be credible we must be t***hful. It is as simple as that.

A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.

When the politicians complain that TV turns the proceedings into a circus, it should be made clear that the circus was already there, and that TV has merely demonstrated that not all the performers are well trained.

We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason, if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men ... We proclaim ourselves, as indeed we are, the defenders of freedom, wherever it continues to exist in the world, but we cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home.

We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. We must remember always that accusation is not proof and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law. We will not walk in fear, one of another.

The speed of communications is wondrous to behold. It is also true that speed can multiply the distribution of information that we know to be untrue.

We hardly need to be reminded that we are living in an age of confusion - a lot of us have traded in our beliefs for bitterness and cynicism or for a heavy package of despair, or even a quivering portion of hysteria. Opinions can be picked up cheap in the market place while such commodities as courage and fortitude and faith are in alarmingly short supply.

No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices.

Your voice, amplified to the degree where it reaches from one end of the country to the other, does not confer upon you greater wisdom than when your voice reached only from one end of the bar to the other.

I simply cannot accept that there are on every story two equal and logical sides to an argument.

We have currently a built-in allergy to unpleasant or disturbing information. Our mass media reflect this. But unless we get up off our fat surpluses and recognize that television in the main is being used to distract, delude, amuse, and insulate us, then television and those who finance it, those who look at it, and those who work at it, may see a totally different picture too late.

We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. When the loyal opposition dies, I think the soul of America dies with it.

Our major obligation is not to mistake slogans for solutions.

Our history will be what we make of it. If we go on as we are, then history will take its revenge and retribution will not limp in catching up with us. So, just once in a while let us exhault the importance of ideas and information.

We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. We must remember always that accusation is not proof and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law. We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason, if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men – not from men who feared to write, to speak, to associate, and to defend causes that were, for the moment, unpopular.

This instrument [radio] can teach. It can illuminate, yes, and it can even inspire. But it can do so only to the extent that humans are determined to use it to those ends. Otherwise it's nothing but wires and lights in a box.

The obscure we see eventually. The completely obvious, it seems, takes longer.

If none of us ever read a book that was "dangerous," had a friend who was "different," or joined an organization that advocated "change," we would all be the kind of people Joe McCarthy wants.

One of the basic troubles with radio and television news is that both instruments have grown up as an incompatible combination of show business, advertising and news. Each of the three is a rather bizarre and demanding profession. And when you get all three under one roof, the dust never settles.

There is a mental fear, which provokes others of us to see the images of witches in a neighbor's yard and stampedes us to burn down this house. And there is a creeping fear of doubt, doubt of what we have been taught, of the validity of so many things we had long since taken for granted to be durable and unchanging. It has become more difficult than ever to distinguish black from white, good from evil, right from wrong.

It is well to remember that freedom through the press is the thing that comes first. Most of us probably feel we couldn't be free without newspapers, and that is the real reason we want the newspapers to be free.

The only thing that counts is the right to know, to speak, to think - that, and the sanctity of the courts. Otherwise it's not America.

We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason.

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Jul 15, 2019 20:17:27   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
slatten49 wrote:
Keeping in mind he died in 1965, I especially appreciate Mr. Murrow's thoughts concerning radio & television.

https://www.azquotes.com/author/10605-Edward R. Murrow

American traditions and the American ethic require us to be t***hful, but the most important reason is that t***h is the best propaganda and lies are the worst. To be persuasive we must be believable; to be believable we must be credible; to be credible we must be t***hful. It is as simple as that.

A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.

When the politicians complain that TV turns the proceedings into a circus, it should be made clear that the circus was already there, and that TV has merely demonstrated that not all the performers are well trained.

We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason, if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men ... We proclaim ourselves, as indeed we are, the defenders of freedom, wherever it continues to exist in the world, but we cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home.

We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. We must remember always that accusation is not proof and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law. We will not walk in fear, one of another.

The speed of communications is wondrous to behold. It is also true that speed can multiply the distribution of information that we know to be untrue.

We hardly need to be reminded that we are living in an age of confusion - a lot of us have traded in our beliefs for bitterness and cynicism or for a heavy package of despair, or even a quivering portion of hysteria. Opinions can be picked up cheap in the market place while such commodities as courage and fortitude and faith are in alarmingly short supply.

No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices.

Your voice, amplified to the degree where it reaches from one end of the country to the other, does not confer upon you greater wisdom than when your voice reached only from one end of the bar to the other.

I simply cannot accept that there are on every story two equal and logical sides to an argument.

We have currently a built-in allergy to unpleasant or disturbing information. Our mass media reflect this. But unless we get up off our fat surpluses and recognize that television in the main is being used to distract, delude, amuse, and insulate us, then television and those who finance it, those who look at it, and those who work at it, may see a totally different picture too late.

We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. When the loyal opposition dies, I think the soul of America dies with it.

Our major obligation is not to mistake slogans for solutions.

Our history will be what we make of it. If we go on as we are, then history will take its revenge and retribution will not limp in catching up with us. So, just once in a while let us exhault the importance of ideas and information.

We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. We must remember always that accusation is not proof and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law. We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason, if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men – not from men who feared to write, to speak, to associate, and to defend causes that were, for the moment, unpopular.

This instrument [radio] can teach. It can illuminate, yes, and it can even inspire. But it can do so only to the extent that humans are determined to use it to those ends. Otherwise it's nothing but wires and lights in a box.

The obscure we see eventually. The completely obvious, it seems, takes longer.

If none of us ever read a book that was "dangerous," had a friend who was "different," or joined an organization that advocated "change," we would all be the kind of people Joe McCarthy wants.

One of the basic troubles with radio and television news is that both instruments have grown up as an incompatible combination of show business, advertising and news. Each of the three is a rather bizarre and demanding profession. And when you get all three under one roof, the dust never settles.

There is a mental fear, which provokes others of us to see the images of witches in a neighbor's yard and stampedes us to burn down this house. And there is a creeping fear of doubt, doubt of what we have been taught, of the validity of so many things we had long since taken for granted to be durable and unchanging. It has become more difficult than ever to distinguish black from white, good from evil, right from wrong.

It is well to remember that freedom through the press is the thing that comes first. Most of us probably feel we couldn't be free without newspapers, and that is the real reason we want the newspapers to be free.

The only thing that counts is the right to know, to speak, to think - that, and the sanctity of the courts. Otherwise it's not America.

We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason.
Keeping in mind he died in 1965, I especially appr... (show quote)


Fantastic quotes. Thanks for a great retrospective from a great person.

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Jul 15, 2019 20:21:03   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Fantastic quotes. Thanks for a great retrospective from a great person.

Thank you, Tuck

I was beginning to wonder how many...if any, remembered Mr. Murrow.

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Jul 15, 2019 20:29:42   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
slatten49 wrote:
Thank you, Tuck

I was beginning to wonder how many...if any, remembered Mr. Murrow.


Or Joe McCarthy? Courageous Patriot, or Dangerous Demagogue?

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Jul 15, 2019 20:39:03   #
kankune Loc: Iowa
 
slatten49 wrote:
Keeping in mind he died in 1965, I especially appreciate Mr. Murrow's thoughts concerning radio & television.

https://www.azquotes.com/author/10605-Edward R. Murrow

American traditions and the American ethic require us to be t***hful, but the most important reason is that t***h is the best propaganda and lies are the worst. To be persuasive we must be believable; to be believable we must be credible; to be credible we must be t***hful. It is as simple as that.

A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.

When the politicians complain that TV turns the proceedings into a circus, it should be made clear that the circus was already there, and that TV has merely demonstrated that not all the performers are well trained.

We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason, if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men ... We proclaim ourselves, as indeed we are, the defenders of freedom, wherever it continues to exist in the world, but we cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home.

We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. We must remember always that accusation is not proof and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law. We will not walk in fear, one of another.

The speed of communications is wondrous to behold. It is also true that speed can multiply the distribution of information that we know to be untrue.

We hardly need to be reminded that we are living in an age of confusion - a lot of us have traded in our beliefs for bitterness and cynicism or for a heavy package of despair, or even a quivering portion of hysteria. Opinions can be picked up cheap in the market place while such commodities as courage and fortitude and faith are in alarmingly short supply.

No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices.

Your voice, amplified to the degree where it reaches from one end of the country to the other, does not confer upon you greater wisdom than when your voice reached only from one end of the bar to the other.

I simply cannot accept that there are on every story two equal and logical sides to an argument.

We have currently a built-in allergy to unpleasant or disturbing information. Our mass media reflect this. But unless we get up off our fat surpluses and recognize that television in the main is being used to distract, delude, amuse, and insulate us, then television and those who finance it, those who look at it, and those who work at it, may see a totally different picture too late.

We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. When the loyal opposition dies, I think the soul of America dies with it.

Our major obligation is not to mistake slogans for solutions.

Our history will be what we make of it. If we go on as we are, then history will take its revenge and retribution will not limp in catching up with us. So, just once in a while let us exhault the importance of ideas and information.

We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. We must remember always that accusation is not proof and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law. We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason, if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men – not from men who feared to write, to speak, to associate, and to defend causes that were, for the moment, unpopular.

This instrument [radio] can teach. It can illuminate, yes, and it can even inspire. But it can do so only to the extent that humans are determined to use it to those ends. Otherwise it's nothing but wires and lights in a box.

The obscure we see eventually. The completely obvious, it seems, takes longer.

If none of us ever read a book that was "dangerous," had a friend who was "different," or joined an organization that advocated "change," we would all be the kind of people Joe McCarthy wants.

One of the basic troubles with radio and television news is that both instruments have grown up as an incompatible combination of show business, advertising and news. Each of the three is a rather bizarre and demanding profession. And when you get all three under one roof, the dust never settles.

There is a mental fear, which provokes others of us to see the images of witches in a neighbor's yard and stampedes us to burn down this house. And there is a creeping fear of doubt, doubt of what we have been taught, of the validity of so many things we had long since taken for granted to be durable and unchanging. It has become more difficult than ever to distinguish black from white, good from evil, right from wrong.

It is well to remember that freedom through the press is the thing that comes first. Most of us probably feel we couldn't be free without newspapers, and that is the real reason we want the newspapers to be free.

The only thing that counts is the right to know, to speak, to think - that, and the sanctity of the courts. Otherwise it's not America.

We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason.
Keeping in mind he died in 1965, I especially appr... (show quote)


I believe the last one is the most important.

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Jul 15, 2019 20:45:39   #
tactful Loc: just North of the District of LMAO
 
slatten49 wrote:
Keeping in mind he died in 1965, I especially appreciate Mr. Murrow's thoughts concerning radio & television.

https://www.azquotes.com/author/10605-Edward R. Murrow

American traditions and the American ethic require us to be t***hful, but the most important reason is that t***h is the best propaganda and lies are the worst. To be persuasive we must be believable; to be believable we must be credible; to be credible we must be t***hful. It is as simple as that.

A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.

When the politicians complain that TV turns the proceedings into a circus, it should be made clear that the circus was already there, and that TV has merely demonstrated that not all the performers are well trained.

We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason, if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men ... We proclaim ourselves, as indeed we are, the defenders of freedom, wherever it continues to exist in the world, but we cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home.

We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. We must remember always that accusation is not proof and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law. We will not walk in fear, one of another.

The speed of communications is wondrous to behold. It is also true that speed can multiply the distribution of information that we know to be untrue.

We hardly need to be reminded that we are living in an age of confusion - a lot of us have traded in our beliefs for bitterness and cynicism or for a heavy package of despair, or even a quivering portion of hysteria. Opinions can be picked up cheap in the market place while such commodities as courage and fortitude and faith are in alarmingly short supply.

No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices.

Your voice, amplified to the degree where it reaches from one end of the country to the other, does not confer upon you greater wisdom than when your voice reached only from one end of the bar to the other.

I simply cannot accept that there are on every story two equal and logical sides to an argument.

We have currently a built-in allergy to unpleasant or disturbing information. Our mass media reflect this. But unless we get up off our fat surpluses and recognize that television in the main is being used to distract, delude, amuse, and insulate us, then television and those who finance it, those who look at it, and those who work at it, may see a totally different picture too late.

We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. When the loyal opposition dies, I think the soul of America dies with it.

Our major obligation is not to mistake slogans for solutions.

Our history will be what we make of it. If we go on as we are, then history will take its revenge and retribution will not limp in catching up with us. So, just once in a while let us exhault the importance of ideas and information.

We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. We must remember always that accusation is not proof and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law. We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason, if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men – not from men who feared to write, to speak, to associate, and to defend causes that were, for the moment, unpopular.

This instrument [radio] can teach. It can illuminate, yes, and it can even inspire. But it can do so only to the extent that humans are determined to use it to those ends. Otherwise it's nothing but wires and lights in a box.

The obscure we see eventually. The completely obvious, it seems, takes longer.

If none of us ever read a book that was "dangerous," had a friend who was "different," or joined an organization that advocated "change," we would all be the kind of people Joe McCarthy wants.

One of the basic troubles with radio and television news is that both instruments have grown up as an incompatible combination of show business, advertising and news. Each of the three is a rather bizarre and demanding profession. And when you get all three under one roof, the dust never settles.

There is a mental fear, which provokes others of us to see the images of witches in a neighbor's yard and stampedes us to burn down this house. And there is a creeping fear of doubt, doubt of what we have been taught, of the validity of so many things we had long since taken for granted to be durable and unchanging. It has become more difficult than ever to distinguish black from white, good from evil, right from wrong.

It is well to remember that freedom through the press is the thing that comes first. Most of us probably feel we couldn't be free without newspapers, and that is the real reason we want the newspapers to be free.

The only thing that counts is the right to know, to speak, to think - that, and the sanctity of the courts. Otherwise it's not America.

We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason.
Keeping in mind he died in 1965, I especially appr... (show quote)


Amazing Reason! kudos. we should wonder,how it may/ should come across today Joe McCarthy doesn't deserve being in the same sentence as Murrow,two opposites if were are any. done for effect no doubt.

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Jul 16, 2019 10:16:28   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Or Joe McCarthy? Courageous Patriot, or Dangerous Demagogue?




I only have very sketchy memories of Edward R. Murrow, who is revered today as a patron saint of TV & radio journalism. One of the reasons he is revered is his expose҅ of Joseph R. McCarthy on his program See It Now. Vilification of and hatred for Joseph R. McCarthy guarantees a place in liberalism’s pantheon plus Murrow was an FDR liberal.

That See It Now program began with a long pan on McCarthy’s face that ended with him emitting a belch; Murrow's idea of objectivity. The program was widely praised by all the Democrats & liberals of the day as well as some Republicans.

McCarthy has been widely depicted as a boor, a recollection which contrasted strongly with that of Senate colleagues such as Everett Dirksen, Barry Goldwater and John Kennedy, as well as future senator Robert Kennedy who served on his subcommittee. Few today mention the Kennedy esteem of McCarthy.

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Jul 16, 2019 13:48:14   #
Auntie Dee
 
Today's Democratic party is certainly not the same as JFK's! Perhaps if more had paid attention to Joe McCarthy back in the day, we might not have some of the problems we have today with the socialist, c*******ts in the Democratic government and in our educational system! Seems old JOE was right after all!!

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Jul 16, 2019 14:12:23   #
Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ
 
slatten49 wrote:
Keeping in mind he died in 1965, I especially appreciate Mr. Murrow's thoughts concerning radio & television.

https://www.azquotes.com/author/10605-Edward R. Murrow

American traditions and the American ethic require us to be t***hful, but the most important reason is that t***h is the best propaganda and lies are the worst. To be persuasive we must be believable; to be believable we must be credible; to be credible we must be t***hful. It is as simple as that.

A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.

When the politicians complain that TV turns the proceedings into a circus, it should be made clear that the circus was already there, and that TV has merely demonstrated that not all the performers are well trained.

We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason, if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men ... We proclaim ourselves, as indeed we are, the defenders of freedom, wherever it continues to exist in the world, but we cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home.

We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. We must remember always that accusation is not proof and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law. We will not walk in fear, one of another.

The speed of communications is wondrous to behold. It is also true that speed can multiply the distribution of information that we know to be untrue.

We hardly need to be reminded that we are living in an age of confusion - a lot of us have traded in our beliefs for bitterness and cynicism or for a heavy package of despair, or even a quivering portion of hysteria. Opinions can be picked up cheap in the market place while such commodities as courage and fortitude and faith are in alarmingly short supply.

No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices.

Your voice, amplified to the degree where it reaches from one end of the country to the other, does not confer upon you greater wisdom than when your voice reached only from one end of the bar to the other.

I simply cannot accept that there are on every story two equal and logical sides to an argument.

We have currently a built-in allergy to unpleasant or disturbing information. Our mass media reflect this. But unless we get up off our fat surpluses and recognize that television in the main is being used to distract, delude, amuse, and insulate us, then television and those who finance it, those who look at it, and those who work at it, may see a totally different picture too late.

We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. When the loyal opposition dies, I think the soul of America dies with it.

Our major obligation is not to mistake slogans for solutions.

Our history will be what we make of it. If we go on as we are, then history will take its revenge and retribution will not limp in catching up with us. So, just once in a while let us exhault the importance of ideas and information.

We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. We must remember always that accusation is not proof and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law. We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason, if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men – not from men who feared to write, to speak, to associate, and to defend causes that were, for the moment, unpopular.

This instrument [radio] can teach. It can illuminate, yes, and it can even inspire. But it can do so only to the extent that humans are determined to use it to those ends. Otherwise it's nothing but wires and lights in a box.

The obscure we see eventually. The completely obvious, it seems, takes longer.

If none of us ever read a book that was "dangerous," had a friend who was "different," or joined an organization that advocated "change," we would all be the kind of people Joe McCarthy wants.

One of the basic troubles with radio and television news is that both instruments have grown up as an incompatible combination of show business, advertising and news. Each of the three is a rather bizarre and demanding profession. And when you get all three under one roof, the dust never settles.

There is a mental fear, which provokes others of us to see the images of witches in a neighbor's yard and stampedes us to burn down this house. And there is a creeping fear of doubt, doubt of what we have been taught, of the validity of so many things we had long since taken for granted to be durable and unchanging. It has become more difficult than ever to distinguish black from white, good from evil, right from wrong.

It is well to remember that freedom through the press is the thing that comes first. Most of us probably feel we couldn't be free without newspapers, and that is the real reason we want the newspapers to be free.

The only thing that counts is the right to know, to speak, to think - that, and the sanctity of the courts. Otherwise it's not America.

We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason.
Keeping in mind he died in 1965, I especially appr... (show quote)


The one statement that "no one can terrorize a nation unless we are all accomplices" resonated the most with me. Trump can't do it, but many progressives can try to attain that goal.

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Jul 16, 2019 14:34:46   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Louie27 wrote:
The one statement that "no one can terrorize a nation unless we are all accomplices" resonated the most with me. Trump can't do it, but many progressives can try to attain that goal.

That's a good-un, Louie. Hard to pick out a favorite, but I'll go with:

"We hardly need to be reminded that we are living in an age of confusion - a lot of us have traded in our beliefs for bitterness and cynicism or for a heavy package of despair, or even a quivering portion of hysteria. Opinions can be picked up cheap in the market place while such commodities as courage and fortitude and faith are in alarmingly short supply."

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Jul 16, 2019 14:47:46   #
jwrevagent
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
I only have very sketchy memories of Edward R. Murrow, who is revered today as a patron saint of TV & radio journalism. One of the reasons he is revered is his expose҅ of Joseph R. McCarthy on his program See It Now. Vilification of and hatred for Joseph R. McCarthy guarantees a place in liberalism’s pantheon plus Murrow was an FDR liberal.

That See It Now program began with a long pan on McCarthy’s face that ended with him emitting a belch; Murrow's idea of objectivity. The program was widely praised by all the Democrats & liberals of the day as well as some Republicans.

McCarthy has been widely depicted as a boor, a recollection which contrasted strongly with that of Senate colleagues such as Everett Dirksen, Barry Goldwater and John Kennedy, as well as future senator Robert Kennedy who served on his subcommittee. Few today mention the Kennedy esteem of McCarthy.
I only have very sketchy memories of Edward R. Mur... (show quote)


I remember both Murrow, See It Now, and McCarthy, but I never realized the Kennedys esteemed McCarthy so highly. Thanks for the retrospective and the reminders. I was in grade school at the time of the Army McCarthy hearings, and my father told me I had to watch and listen, because this was history. He was right.

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Jul 16, 2019 14:57:34   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
jwrevagent wrote:
I remember both Murrow, See It Now, and McCarthy, but I never realized the Kennedys esteemed McCarthy so highly. Thanks for the retrospective and the reminders. I was in grade school at the time of the Army McCarthy hearings, and my father told me I had to watch and listen, because this was history. He was right.

You might be interested in the following: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/progjfk2.htm

The Kennedys, like most politicians, generally rode the prevailing political winds.

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Jul 16, 2019 15:16:38   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
slatten49 wrote:
You might be interested in the following: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/progjfk2.htm

The Kennedys, like most politicians, generally rode the prevailing political winds.



Plus, McCarthy was an Alcoholic. All of his grandstanding was because of alcohol which completely clouded his judgement and eventually k**led him.

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Jul 16, 2019 15:34:06   #
jwrevagent
 
slatten49 wrote:
You might be interested in the following: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/progjfk2.htm

The Kennedys, like most politicians, generally rode the prevailing political winds.


Thanks. I just finished a book titled "The Accidental Presidents", which talks about the 8 VPs who became president as a result of the death of the pres. There were some pretty huge scandals associated with most, that frankly, I never knew about before, and I love to study politics and history-particularly American History. But also Ancient and European to see how we got here. Interesting, and power does, in fact, corrupt. I was never a Kennedy fan-couldn't v**e for or against him-not old enough at that time. It astounds me how the media was so complicit in covering his crimes-as bad as it is today, actually. Fascinating book. By Jared Cohen.

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Jul 16, 2019 15:35:56   #
jwrevagent
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Plus, McCarthy was an Alcoholic. All of his grandstanding was because of alcohol which completely clouded his judgement and eventually k**led him.


I did not know that, though I suppose it should have been obvious-but I was about 9 or 10 when all that was happening, so probably did not occur to me. Though I come from a family of alcoholics. I always get sick when I drink, or I would probably be in the throes of Demon Rum as well.

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