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Jul 12, 2019 11:05:14   #
bmac32 (a regular here)
 
Mine may have been quicker because I was a service member and Iceland was a NATO member. Only thing that tick me off is she had to fly commercial while I went rotater, C-141.




proud republican wrote:
Yes...All the papers signed ..All the T's crossed and I's dotted...Took us more then 5 years to get Ok to come here and 6 months to travel to America..2 countries later here we are!!!..We did not jump any lines,we came here legally...Case closed!!!....We also were running away from religious prosecution...

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Jul 12, 2019 11:24:25   #
permafrost (a regular here)
 
MR Mister wrote:
I'm sitting in a small coffee shop near Nokomis (Florida) trying to think of what to write about. I scroll through my news feed on my phone looking at the latest headlines of Democratic candidates calling for policies to fix the so-called injustices of capitalism. I put my phone down and continue to look around. I see people talking freely, working on their MacBook's, ordering food they get in an instant, seeing cars go by outside, and it dawned on me. We live in the most privileged time in the most prosperous nation and we've become completely blind to it. Vehicles, food, technology, freedom to associate with whom we choose. These things are so ingrained in our American way of life we don't give them a second thought. We are so well off here in the United States that our poverty line begins 31 times above the global average. Thirty-One Times. Virtually no one in the United States is considered poor by global standards. Yet, in a time where we can order a product off Amazon with one click and have it at our doorstep the next day, we are unappreciative, unsatisfied, and ungrateful.


Our unappreciation is evident as the popularity of socialist policies among my generation continues to grow. Democratic Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez recently said to Newsweek talking about the millennial generation, An entire generation, which is now becoming one of the largest electorates in America, came of age and never saw American prosperity. Never saw American prosperity! Let that sink in. She is very ignorant. When I first read that statement, I thought to myself, that was quite literally the most entitled and factually illiterate thing I've ever heard in my 26 years on this earth. Many young people agree with her, which is entirely misguided. My generation is being indoctrinated by a mainstream narrative to actually believe we have never seen prosperity. I know this first hand, I went to college, let's just say I didn't have the popular opinion, but I digress.


Why then, with all of the overwhelming evidence around us, evidence that I can even see sitting at a coffee shop, do we not view this as prosperity? We have people who are dying to get into our country. People around the world destitute and truly impoverished. Yet, we have a young generation convinced they've never seen prosperity, and as a result, elect politicians dead set on taking steps towards abolishing capitalism. Why? The answer is this, my generation has only seen prosperity. We have no contrast. We didn't live in the great depression or live through two world wars, the Korean War, The Vietnam War or see the rise and fall of socialism and communism. We don't know what it's like to live without the internet, without cars, without smartphones.

We don't have a lack of prosperity problem. We have an entitlement problem, an ungratefulness problem, and it's spreading like a plague." And we can not see it.
I'm sitting in a small coffee shop near Nokomis (F... (show quote)



This has been true from a bout the end of WWll..

I say you do have a point.. but..

Our concept of being poor, rich, well off, keeping up with the jones, in not based on the rest of the world, it is based on our position in America..

Consider that wages have been nearly flat since the 70s. the wealth generated by our economy has gone nearly exclusively to the top 10% and not to the general public..

what the Dems, at least the dems I pay attn to are not dismantling anything, we only want a more equable part of the spoils of our Capitalism..

No one in their right mind wants to abolish Capitalism. But we also must note we need a regulated capitalism if the nation as a whole is to beneficent from a capitalist system..

You and I are bout the same age I believe.. in my case, started live in a 2 room tar paper shack far NW Minnesota. in the mide 50s Dad gave it up and moved tothe cities, got a good job as a carpenter..
Wages went up, bought a house, car, TV all that good stuff. I delved papters, stocked shelves etc..

Uncle Sam sent me to college and now I live on a ridge above a lake and rock away golden years..

Graeat, I am very comfortable, good health, fun people, even the rapid republicans who dominate this township..

But what have the recent round of young adults watched??

health care denied, or limited, job opportunities near none existent, inflation on food and energy so high they were removed from computation of COL, education so costly it is unreachable..

So what they are wanting is part of the wealth as seen in this nation, not what they could have with the same money in Bangladesh..



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Jul 12, 2019 11:26:41   #
permafrost (a regular here)
 
Kevyn wrote:
Why did you come here with your Russian ideas of a fascist strong man dictator? You should have stayed in Russia and fixed your own nation rather than coming here to corrupt ours.




Nice one Kevyn....

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Jul 12, 2019 13:45:28   #
Rose42 (a regular here)
 
permafrost wrote:
Nice one Kevyn....


No it really wasn't a nice one. You're smarter than that.

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Jul 12, 2019 14:47:47   #
Common_Sense_Matters (a regular here)
 
Kevyn wrote:
Nonsense, there are over a half million homeless in the country and shamefully many are war veterans and children. Cars and cellphones don’t make society wealthy they are common in sub saharan Africa. Half the people in the country can not come up with $500 to cover an emergency. Young people today do not get the heavily subsidized college education and access to good union jobs with health care and old age pensions that was a birthright to the boomers. They have plenty to complain about and they are going to turn things around in this country.
Nonsense, there are over a half million homeless i... (show quote)


The person writing that was likely solely going by income levels, not taking into consideration that those nations with much lower income levels also have much cheaper cost of living to go along with the lowered income levels. It is how many unscrupulous journalists prove their point without really having a point to prove.

Yes, poverty is everywhere, yes we here in the U.S. have it better than many people have it elsewhere, there is even a good chance that we have a far lesser percentage of people dying from starvation than other wealthy nations. We know for a fact we have far fewer dying of starvation than poorer countries, to say otherwise is pure stupidity. That doesn't make the plight of our impoverished any less of a dilemma, it doesn't make our impoverished populations lives any better just because some have it worse. If you were dying of starvation, actually dying, not just really, really hungry, and someone were to say to you, "Hey, it could be worse, you could be dying of starvation in Ethiopia", would that make your situation any better? Any less unbearable?

Now for a different look upon things. which do you think a school aged kid with parents making below poverty level incomes, but still able to keep a roof over their family's head and food on the table would find more unbearable, living in those conditions and going to school with many other kids in the same situation, or going to school with kids who are all from wealthy families that can afford the finer things. How many of us remember the taunting the poorer kids got in school? How many here on OPP may have even joined in on the taunting? I remember well the taunting that the poorer kids got, I chose not to join in the taunting, on occasion even stood up for some of them, just not as often as I would have liked to.

Sometimes this "poor shaming" is out in the open, sometimes more subtle. Sometimes it is merely deliberately making sure they see what you have that they can't afford, inviting them to join in an activity that you know they can't afford like going out to eat at an expensive restaurant, going to concerts, movies... The list goes on and more often than we would like to admit, many of those empty invites are a deliberate way to "poor shame" ones's peers. It would be nice if we would all instill compassion in our children, grandchildren, great grandchildren... Teach them that not all can be as fortunate as us.

Sometimes I think if one were destined to live in poverty, it would be more merciful to live that impoverished life somewhere where your peers too were likewise afflicted with poverty.

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Jul 12, 2019 16:44:23   #
Parky60 (a regular here)
 
Kevyn wrote:
Why did you come here with your Russian ideas of a fascist strong man dictator? You should have stayed in Russia and fixed your own nation rather than coming here to corrupt ours.

You know Kevy, you're a plethora of contradictions. The same could be said for the "refugees" and "asylum seekers" coming from the south of the border.

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Jul 13, 2019 07:37:01   #
jim_shipley
 
The liberals have created so many takers that they soon will out vote the makers and vote themselves the rewards of making. When this happens the best makers will leave and those who can't will just become takers and soon there will be nothing left to take. We are almost there now and it will all end soon if we do nothing about all the freeloaders.

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Jul 13, 2019 09:30:20   #
padremike
 
Kevyn wrote:
Why did you come here with your Russian ideas of a fascist strong man dictator? You should have stayed in Russia and fixed your own nation rather than coming here to corrupt ours.


Once again You prove your perfect ignorance!

Dear people, understand that these leftists, like Kevyn, aren't about politics, they actually have created the worlds dumbest religion!

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Jul 13, 2019 10:37:53   #
Larry the Legend (a regular here)
 
MR Mister wrote:
Virtually no one in the United States is considered poor by global standards.

Don't tell that to Democrats, that's their raison d'etre.

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Jul 13, 2019 11:59:59   #
MR Mister (a regular here)
 
Kevyn wrote:
Nonsense, there are over a half million homeless in the country and shamefully many are war veterans and children. Cars and cellphones don’t make society wealthy they are common in sub saharan Africa. Half the people in the country can not come up with $500 to cover an emergency. Young people today do not get the heavily subsidized college education and access to good union jobs with health care and old age pensions that was a birthright to the boomers. They have plenty to complain about and they are going to turn things around in this country.
Nonsense, there are over a half million homeless i... (show quote)


If you go down to Anaheim CA and look around everyone has a smartphone! I never saw anyone with a smartphone in ghettos of Haiti. Plus every one of them is fat, don't look underfed to me. Most of them have a car parked out on the street or in the park.

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Jul 13, 2019 15:06:08   #
teabag09 (a regular here)
 
Kevyn wrote:
Nonsense, there are over a half million homeless in the country and shamefully many are war veterans and children. Cars and cellphones don’t make society wealthy they are common in sub saharan Africa. Half the people in the country can not come up with $500 to cover an emergency. Young people today do not get the heavily subsidized college education and access to good union jobs with health care and old age pensions that was a birthright to the boomers. They have plenty to complain about and they are going to turn things around in this country.
Nonsense, there are over a half million homeless i... (show quote)


And you and they will rue that day! Mike

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Jul 13, 2019 15:11:59   #
teabag09 (a regular here)
 
permafrost wrote:
This has been true from a bout the end of WWll..

I say you do have a point.. but..

Our concept of being poor, rich, well off, keeping up with the jones, in not based on the rest of the world, it is based on our position in America..

Consider that wages have been nearly flat since the 70s. the wealth generated by our economy has gone nearly exclusively to the top 10% and not to the general public..

what the Dems, at least the dems I pay attn to are not dismantling anything, we only want a more equable part of the spoils of our Capitalism..

No one in their right mind wants to abolish Capitalism. But we also must note we need a regulated capitalism if the nation as a whole is to beneficent from a capitalist system..

You and I are bout the same age I believe.. in my case, started live in a 2 room tar paper shack far NW Minnesota. in the mide 50s Dad gave it up and moved tothe cities, got a good job as a carpenter..
Wages went up, bought a house, car, TV all that good stuff. I delved papters, stocked shelves etc..

Uncle Sam sent me to college and now I live on a ridge above a lake and rock away golden years..

Graeat, I am very comfortable, good health, fun people, even the rapid republicans who dominate this township..

But what have the recent round of young adults watched??

health care denied, or limited, job opportunities near none existent, inflation on food and energy so high they were removed from computation of COL, education so costly it is unreachable..

So what they are wanting is part of the wealth as seen in this nation, not what they could have with the same money in Bangladesh..
This has been true from a bout the end of WWll.. b... (show quote)


Wealth you earned not given, that's the difference! Mike

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Jul 13, 2019 16:28:33   #
debeda (a regular here)
 
MR Mister wrote:
I'm sitting in a small coffee shop near Nokomis (Florida) trying to think of what to write about. I scroll through my news feed on my phone looking at the latest headlines of Democratic candidates calling for policies to fix the so-called injustices of capitalism. I put my phone down and continue to look around. I see people talking freely, working on their MacBook's, ordering food they get in an instant, seeing cars go by outside, and it dawned on me. We live in the most privileged time in the most prosperous nation and we've become completely blind to it. Vehicles, food, technology, freedom to associate with whom we choose. These things are so ingrained in our American way of life we don't give them a second thought. We are so well off here in the United States that our poverty line begins 31 times above the global average. Thirty-One Times. Virtually no one in the United States is considered poor by global standards. Yet, in a time where we can order a product off Amazon with one click and have it at our doorstep the next day, we are unappreciative, unsatisfied, and ungrateful.


Our unappreciation is evident as the popularity of socialist policies among my generation continues to grow. Democratic Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez recently said to Newsweek talking about the millennial generation, An entire generation, which is now becoming one of the largest electorates in America, came of age and never saw American prosperity. Never saw American prosperity! Let that sink in. She is very ignorant. When I first read that statement, I thought to myself, that was quite literally the most entitled and factually illiterate thing I've ever heard in my 26 years on this earth. Many young people agree with her, which is entirely misguided. My generation is being indoctrinated by a mainstream narrative to actually believe we have never seen prosperity. I know this first hand, I went to college, let's just say I didn't have the popular opinion, but I digress.


Why then, with all of the overwhelming evidence around us, evidence that I can even see sitting at a coffee shop, do we not view this as prosperity? We have people who are dying to get into our country. People around the world destitute and truly impoverished. Yet, we have a young generation convinced they've never seen prosperity, and as a result, elect politicians dead set on taking steps towards abolishing capitalism. Why? The answer is this, my generation has only seen prosperity. We have no contrast. We didn't live in the great depression or live through two world wars, the Korean War, The Vietnam War or see the rise and fall of socialism and communism. We don't know what it's like to live without the internet, without cars, without smartphones.

We don't have a lack of prosperity problem. We have an entitlement problem, an ungratefulness problem, and it's spreading like a plague." And we can not see it.
I'm sitting in a small coffee shop near Nokomis (F... (show quote)


EXCELLENT piece Plain, unvarnished truth

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Jul 13, 2019 18:33:17   #
permafrost (a regular here)
 
teabag09 wrote:
Wealth you earned not given, that's the difference! Mike


So you agree with me on the worthlessness of trump and his daddy given wealth..

Good to know..

The orange dunderhead never succeeded at anything.. useless blob of corruption..



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Jul 13, 2019 20:14:08   #
teabag09 (a regular here)
 
permafrost wrote:
So you agree with me on the worthlessness of trump and his daddy given wealth..

Good to know..

The orange dunderhead never succeeded at anything.. useless blob of corruption..


Don't think that's what I implied and no I rarely agree with you on very much. Turning a million or two dollars into a multi billion dollar enterprise is not succeeding on his daddy's back, nice try though.

Do you guys like getting bitch slapped or is it you can't help yourself because of your TDS? Mike

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