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Jul 14, 2019 10:37:22   #
Rose42
 
Peewee wrote:
Thanks for the question, Rose. From my research they are. But I'm not going to comment further on the Rothschilds for now. I was trying to give a heads up to some people but opened a can of worms. I offended some people that I admire and respect. Trump is about to expose a lot of it and I'll let him carry my water for me. Hope that's okay with you? Hopefully, he'll accomplish it soon but it may take him his full second term. I'm one of those that think Trump has God directing and using him much like God used Cyrus. Trump can't fail unless God removes His hand from him. I just found this quote and just love it, you may also.

"A confused man, when he learns the t***h, will no longer be confused. He then can only be honest or a liar."

Sounds like it was written about Jesus, doesn't it?
Thanks for the question, Rose. From my research th... (show quote)


No worries Peewee. I don't want to offend them either. And that's a great quote.

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Jul 14, 2019 12:35:08   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
My thesis and title when I opened this thread was and is that it is God who has re-stablished Israel on the face of the earth; He knows who is and who is not a Jew,and He has promised to leave not a single one of these, His people, in exile.

[b]Ezekiel 39:28

"Then they will know that I am the LORD their God because I made them go into exile among the nations, and then gathered them again to their own land; and I will leave none of them there any longer.



Turns out, the Jews in Israel are already home

My ending paragraphs, I repeat below:


"The [DNA] study — and a second genetic [DNA] study published in the journal Nature — scientifically undermines arguments made by all those who have challenged Jews’ historical relationship to Israel, such as former White House correspondent Helen Thomas, who resigned after saying Jews in Israel should “go home” to Germany, Poland and the United States.

Turns out, the Jews in Israel are already home.


[God's Promised] Restoration of Israel:

"I will restore from captivity My people Israel; they will rebuild and inhabit the ruined cities. They will plant vineyards and drink their wine; they will make gardens and eat their fruit.
I will firmly plant them on their own land, and they will never again be uprooted from the land I have given them,” says the LORD your God." (Amos 9:14-15)

____________________________________________________________________________________
Condensed to a supersized nutshell:

Can a Nation be born in a day?

Isaiah 66:8:
"Who has heard such a thing? Who has seen such things? Can a nation be born in one day? Shall a country be brought forth in one moment? For as soon as Zion was in labor she brought forth her children."

Over the objections of much of the world, in 1948 God supernaturally returned the land of Israel to the world's Jewish people.

The plight of the Holocaust Survivors caused the Z*****ts, the world community and the United Nations to give Israel back a portion of the land God promised them thousands of years ago in the Abrahamic Covenant. After wandering the earth for 1,875 years (since 70 A.D.) in the diaspora/exile, Israel was miraculously reborn as a nation on May 14, 1948.

“Do not be afraid, for I am with you; I will bring your children from the east and gather you from the west. I will say to the north, ‘Give them up!’ and to the south, ‘Do not hold them back.’ Bring My sons from afar and My daughters from the ends of the earth ...”
(Isaiah 43:5-6)

See also Hosea 3:4-5; Amos 9:14-15; Isaiah 54:7;
and Jeremiah 30:3; Ezekiel 37:21; Zechariah 8:7-8

God is regathering Israel – as He promised.

1881 Pogroms in Russia

Jewish communities in Russia were attacked. It prompted a trickle of migration of Jews from eastern Europe to the Promised Land.

1888 Start of the First Aliyah

Jews from eastern Europe began to move to the Promised Land in significant numbers. (Aliyah is a Hebrew word that means ‘going up’ and is used to describe Jews returning to the land of Israel.)

Increased anti-Semitism in Europe stirred Theodor Herzl to promote the cause of a Jewish State.


1895 The Dreyfus Affair in France

A scandal involving a Jewish officer in the French army brought out anti-Semitism in Europe. This stirred Theodor Herzl to promote the cause of a Jewish State.

1904 Start of the Second Aliyah

A second wave of Jews, mainly from Russia and Poland, returned to the Promised Land. Persecutions drove them there.

1920 Start of the Third Aliyah

A third wave of Jews, mainly from Russia, returned to the land. They came as impoverished refugees.
1924-1932Fourth Aliyah

The fourth wave of Jews to return were mainly from Poland.

1939-1945 World War II – the Holocaust

Six million Jews perished in the N**i death camps. After the War tens of thousands of Jewish survivors headed for the Holy Land.

1948 The State of Israel was proclaimed

The State of Israel was proclaimed by David Ben Gurion on 14 May [Isaiah 66:8]

The next day Israel was invaded by five Arab armies. The first Arab-Israeli war began.

Arrival of 120,000 Jewish immigrants, in spite of the war.

1948-1952 Mass migration of Jews

With the formation of the State, large numbers of Jews migrated to Israel from Europe and Arab countries.

1970 Start of mass migration of Jews from the USSR


Tens of thousands of Jews took the opportunity to leave but Russia quickly closed the door.

1989 The collapse of C*******m in the USSR and Eastern Europe

The door opened a second time for Jews to leave for Israel. One million made aliyah in the next 10
years. They came as economic refugees.

1991 The Gulf War

Jewish migrants from around the world continued to arrive even as Iraq launched scud missiles at Israel.
Israel rescued Jews from Ethiopia

In a 36-hour airlift called ‘Operation Solomon’ 14,300 black Jews from Ethiopia were brought to Israel.

1993-2015 Israel staggers through an on-again off-again peace process with the Palestinians

While the USA, the EU and the UN press Israel to give up land for a Palestinian state, efforts to reach this peace accord are continuously derailed by hostilities, including waves of suicide bombings. Throughout this time the economy of Israel grows, as does its military, and there is a steady stream of migrants to the land from all the nations of the world.

The miracle is illustrated by the growth in the Jewish population of Israel:

Year Jewish population of Israel

1880 24,000
1914 90,000
1931 174,000
1939 450,000
1948 650,000
1950 1,200,000
1958 1,800,000
1992 4,250,000
2000 5,150,000
2006 5,314,000
2009 5,661,000
2012 5,978,600
2015 6,251,000

An open-minded observer of Israel’s history would have to acknowledge the reality of God’s hand on the Jewish people.

No matter what the Jewish people do, God has given them that land. The rejection of Christ by most Jews does not break this everlasting, unconditional promise to Abraham. The modern Jewish state of Israel exists by the sheer grace of God, who made a promise to Abraham, and He will not break His promise.

Again, God has said He will return All His chosen, who are the Jewish people, to their ancient homeland, Israel.


[b]Ezekiel 39:28

"Then they will know that I am the LORD their God because I made them go into exile among the nations, and then gathered them again to their own land; and I will leave none of them there any longer.

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Jul 14, 2019 12:41:27   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Hi Rose42,

Whenever a thread is opened at OPP, it is sort of like a two year old child, left unhindered no one knows where it may wander...

I am not in the least offended, though slightly amused.


Rose42 wrote:
No worries Peewee. I don't want to offend them either. And that's a great quote.

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Jul 14, 2019 12:42:57   #
bahmer
 
[quote=Zemirah]My thesis and title when I opened this thread was and is that it is God who has re-stablished Israel on the face of the earth; He knows who is and who is not a Jew,and He has promised to leave not a single one of these, His people, in exile.

[b]Ezekiel 39:28

"Then they will know that I am the LORD their God because I made them go into exile among the nations, and then gathered them again to their own land; and I will leave none of them there any longer.



Turns out, the Jews in Israel are already home

My ending paragraphs, I repeat below:


"The [DNA] study — and a second genetic [DNA] study published in the journal Nature — scientifically undermines arguments made by all those who have challenged Jews’ historical relationship to Israel, such as former White House correspondent Helen Thomas, who resigned after saying Jews in Israel should “go home” to Germany, Poland and the United States.

Turns out, the Jews in Israel are already home.


[God's Promised] Restoration of Israel:

"I will restore from captivity My people Israel; they will rebuild and inhabit the ruined cities. They will plant vineyards and drink their wine; they will make gardens and eat their fruit.
I will firmly plant them on their own land, and they will never again be uprooted from the land I have given them,” says the LORD your God." (Amos 9:14-15)

____________________________________________________________________________________
Condensed to a supersized nutshell:

Can a Nation be born in a day?

Isaiah 66:8:
"Who has heard such a thing? Who has seen such things? Can a nation be born in one day? Shall a country be brought forth in one moment? For as soon as Zion was in labor she brought forth her children."

Over the objections of much of the world, in 1948 God supernaturally returned the land of Israel to the world's Jewish people.

The plight of the Holocaust Survivors caused the Z*****ts, the world community and the United Nations to give Israel back a portion of the land God promised them thousands of years ago in the Abrahamic Covenant. After wandering the earth for 1,875 years (since 70 A.D.) in the diaspora/exile, Israel was miraculously reborn as a nation on May 14, 1948.

“Do not be afraid, for I am with you; I will bring your children from the east and gather you from the west. I will say to the north, ‘Give them up!’ and to the south, ‘Do not hold them back.’ Bring My sons from afar and My daughters from the ends of the earth ...”
(Isaiah 43:5-6)

See also Hosea 3:4-5; Amos 9:14-15; Isaiah 54:7;
and Jeremiah 30:3; Ezekiel 37:21; Zechariah 8:7-8

God is regathering Israel – as He promised.

1881 Pogroms in Russia

Jewish communities in Russia were attacked. It prompted a trickle of migration of Jews from eastern Europe to the Promised Land.

1888 Start of the First Aliyah

Jews from eastern Europe began to move to the Promised Land in significant numbers. (Aliyah is a Hebrew word that means ‘going up’ and is used to describe Jews returning to the land of Israel.)

Increased anti-Semitism in Europe stirred Theodor Herzl to promote the cause of a Jewish State.


1895 The Dreyfus Affair in France

A scandal involving a Jewish officer in the French army brought out anti-Semitism in Europe. This stirred Theodor Herzl to promote the cause of a Jewish State.

1904 Start of the Second Aliyah

A second wave of Jews, mainly from Russia and Poland, returned to the Promised Land. Persecutions drove them there.

1920 Start of the Third Aliyah

A third wave of Jews, mainly from Russia, returned to the land. They came as impoverished refugees.
1924-1932Fourth Aliyah

The fourth wave of Jews to return were mainly from Poland.

1939-1945 World War II – the Holocaust

Six million Jews perished in the N**i death camps. After the War tens of thousands of Jewish survivors headed for the Holy Land.

1948 The State of Israel was proclaimed

The State of Israel was proclaimed by David Ben Gurion on 14 May [Isaiah 66:8]

The next day Israel was invaded by five Arab armies. The first Arab-Israeli war began.

Arrival of 120,000 Jewish immigrants, in spite of the war.

1948-1952 Mass migration of Jews

With the formation of the State, large numbers of Jews migrated to Israel from Europe and Arab countries.

1970 Start of mass migration of Jews from the USSR


Tens of thousands of Jews took the opportunity to leave but Russia quickly closed the door.

1989 The collapse of C*******m in the USSR and Eastern Europe

The door opened a second time for Jews to leave for Israel. One million made aliyah in the next 10
years. They came as economic refugees.

1991 The Gulf War

Jewish migrants from around the world continued to arrive even as Iraq launched scud missiles at Israel.
Israel rescued Jews from Ethiopia

In a 36-hour airlift called ‘Operation Solomon’ 14,300 black Jews from Ethiopia were brought to Israel.

1993-2015 Israel staggers through an on-again off-again peace process with the Palestinians

While the USA, the EU and the UN press Israel to give up land for a Palestinian state, efforts to reach this peace accord are continuously derailed by hostilities, including waves of suicide bombings. Throughout this time the economy of Israel grows, as does its military, and there is a steady stream of migrants to the land from all the nations of the world.

The miracle is illustrated by the growth in the Jewish population of Israel:

Year Jewish population of Israel

1880 24,000
1914 90,000
1931 174,000
1939 450,000
1948 650,000
1950 1,200,000
1958 1,800,000
1992 4,250,000
2000 5,150,000
2006 5,314,000
2009 5,661,000
2012 5,978,600
2015 6,251,000

An open-minded observer of Israel’s history would have to acknowledge the reality of God’s hand on the Jewish people.

No matter what the Jewish people do, God has given them that land. The rejection of Christ by most Jews does not break this everlasting, unconditional promise to Abraham. The modern Jewish state of Israel exists by the sheer grace of God, who made a promise to Abraham, and He will not break His promise.

Again, God has said He will return All His chosen, who are the Jewish people, to their ancient homeland, Israel.


[b]Ezekiel 39:28

"Then they will know that I am the LORD their God because I made them go into exile among the nations, and then gathered them again to their own land; and I will leave none of them there any longer.[/quote]

Excellent article there Zemirah thanks for posting this and very informative as well as always.

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Jul 14, 2019 12:44:08   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Thank you for this information, JoyV, authentic research adds value to any debate topic.


JoyV wrote:
There is also a genetic study abstract I read recently in a science journal https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/5/7/eaax0061 which puts paid to the claim that Palestinians are the descendants of the ancient Philistines so are the true inheritors of the land of Israel. DNA was isolated from graves in a Philistine graveyard and compared to modern Palestinians and other group populations' DNA. There was NO evidence of Philistine DNA in modern Palestinians, or any middle eastern groups. The only partial descendants were found in Europe along the Mediterranean.


There have been legends dating back thousands of years that the Philistines came to the coast of the area later called Palestine from the north because they were fleeing an enemy. Who can say whether or how much t***h is in the legend. But what CAN be said is they were NOT the ancestors of modern Palestinians.
There is also a genetic study abstract I read rece... (show quote)

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Jul 14, 2019 12:46:10   #
JoyV
 
JIM BETHEA wrote:
YOU CAN MARK YOUR #6 as a "YES" ~ The Federal Reserve Auditing Systems is a private corporation chartered in the state of Delaware in 1914 just after the Rothschild's & City of London Club's charter of their Fed Res [you can access these facts at the DE Sec of State website] ~ I have copies of both charters ~

As far as your doubts about the IRS's use of their collections Pres Reagan answered this question when the Commissioner of the IRS "adamantly refused to answer the PRESIDENT" ~ Reagan appointed Peter Grace to investigate where all of this #1040 tax revenue was going??? Even though Grace's efforts were "blocked at his every turn" this evolved into the "Grace Commission" ~~ The findings were that Not One Penny of the #1040 taxes paid in went to ANY GOV AGENCY's BUDGETS ~ All of this taxes went through the IRS offshore banking trust accounts, then back to the Treasury who then t***sferred this money to the Rothschild's Federal Reserve under the "color of paying interest on the Nat Debt" ~~

Of course, the Nat Debt is a "hypothetical fiat money creation" [i.e.= "checkbook money"] as only backing is the confidence or trust the American people put it the abilities to use these notes/dollar bills as an effective currency of exchange ~ The more people we have in the US, then the more "illusionary leverage" can be used as each one's "productivity" ~ For every Birth Certificate there is a Bond created ~ For every Social Security card there is a bond issued ~ These bonds are traded on the Stock Exchange [ever notice on any soc sec card the small print that clearly states that this is not your property and if not used then should be returned?? [as least the older ones have this small print]

Your subjects are "right down my alley" ~ Remind me sometimes and I will explain how the Too Big to Fail Banks can steal your property via their pretense that they are actually loaning you any of their own money [without their ability to create accounts from the endorsements of your promissory notes, then they would never have access to steal your property for absolutely no vested interest in case of any defaults in payments]

These Euro Elitist have made trillions with their control over our monetary and tax systems ~ I have seen some of Trump's new "monetary plan" and these Euro Elitist are in panic ~ They will have all of their 4th Branch of Gov puppets like Soros, Obozo, Hillary and all of intel & Serco cabal spending billions per month in their ongoing attempts to destroy Trump...[and keep the American people under their thumbs] ~ So you can expect daily protests & some r**ting practically daily all across the US until e******n 2020...
YOU CAN MARK YOUR #6 as a "YES" ~ The Fe... (show quote)


I won't argue with you on the IRS and the Federal Reserve as I am not well enough versed in it. I know at least some of what you say about it is true, so perhaps all is. I can't dispute it. So I'll concede #6.

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Jul 14, 2019 12:46:45   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Thank you, bahmer,

A peaceful Lord's Day to you. I know your visitation from your daughter was a blessing.



bahmer wrote:
Excellent article there Zemirah thanks for posting this and very informative as well as always.

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Jul 14, 2019 12:52:43   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
Great post and I agree completely. God doesn't lie and always keeps His promises. And then Satan does his best to sabotage or corrupt it. Both accomplish many/most of their works through human agents who are obedient to them. Some humans are double agents working for Satan and they infiltrate every area of society. The only way I know you can identify them is if they preach another gospel or by their works and by the symbols they use.

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Jul 14, 2019 12:54:03   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
I would never put the Rothschild family in the same camp as George Soros, Peewee.

As for the Rothschild family facilitating any of the NWO agenda, as you state, being "commonly accepted,"
surely, you can quote a source, a documented book, a known author or reporter?

You didn't just pull that out of the air, so what is its source?



Peewee wrote:
A great post and some outstanding research. If I was the cause of this post then I'm glad. I never doubted the Jews in Israel were home. The desert is blooming after 2K years. I believe they only have a postage stamp area of what they will eventually have. I was just questioning if the Rothschild family are real Jews. That if portions of the Kazar myth were true, the Rothschilds would fit the myth in my opinion. They also did DNA research on where the Philistines came from before they settled in the Levant. That research says they came from somewhere between Sicily and the Aegean Sea. They stayed until they were chased out by Joshua and David. Where they went is a mystery but by that time their DNA would contain plenty of DNA from the area of the Levant. Hope that clears up where I was coming from in my thinking. Also, as I have said several times every nation has a deep state and t*****rs within its ranks. I'm just trying to make sense of how did that happen. Yes, Satan but who were his human agents in our lifetime. Only someone with tons of wealth could have accomplished all this mischief in such a short space of time. I think it's commonly accepted as true that the Rothschild family is facilitating most of the NWO agenda along with Soros. Two real or f**e Jews? It's easy to assume new identities before, during, and after wars.
A great post and some outstanding research. If I w... (show quote)

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Jul 14, 2019 13:02:12   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
Zemirah wrote:
I would never put the Rothschild family in the same camp as George Soros, Peewee.

As for the Rothschild family facilitating any of the NWO agenda, as you state, being "commonly accepted,"
surely, you can quote a source, a documented book, a known author or reporter?

You didn't just pull that out of the air, so what is its source?


Not talking about them anymore. We disagree. Leave it alone.

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Jul 14, 2019 13:17:01   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Peewee, I am in no way offended.

I am amused, mildly entertained, and somewhat surprised by your reaction to being, even superficially contradicted or questioned.

Now, my dear friend, you are very much playing the victim, it is unnecessary, and it does not become you.

Anyone who posts anything on OPP's debate forum is going to be open to questions, and often to ridicule, which you have not experienced while discussing this topic.

Your "integrity" has in no way been impugned.

So far, you've managed to get off easy, i.e., you're ahead of the game.

Comparing your treatment on this OPP topic to your former marriages is going just a little bit overboard, IMHO.

Please continue to defend your beliefs, and dig up a few more verifying facts to hang your hat on, while in the process. This is something I know you're more than able to provide, if you wish to do so.

- or you can always take your marbles and go home, as you threatened, but to what gain?



Peewee wrote:
I've only been on OPP a few years so the answer is no. I told you before I don't believe all the KM stuff. But some of the stuff I've read fit pieces of puzzles in other things I have read. I've also said I'm not a scholar and I study a wide variety of things that interest me. If I have offended you and PL you have my apologies and that was never my intent. But it's a subject that interests me. If it does offend you to bad. I don't let what others think of me define me or change me. I know who I am warts and all. I don't believe all conspiracies but some I do. I don't believe in ETs but I do in good and bad angels. I don't believe in alien UFOs but I do believe we have some top secret aircraft. I have stood in the hanger that Gary Powers' U2 plane was kept in at Incirlik AB, Turkey. I shared a campfire with one of LBJ's secret service agents and got an earful of dirt on that guy. None of it was good. So until you've walked in my shoes and shared my life experiences get off my back. My thoughts are my thoughts, I shared them for your feedback not to be condemned for thinking about them out loud. What I can do is not share them with you and PL anymore. If that's not good enough, it was a pleasure to know you both. And now you know why I'm twice divorced.
I've only been on OPP a few years so the answer is... (show quote)

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Jul 14, 2019 13:39:24   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
Zemirah wrote:
Peewee, I am in no way offended.

I am amused, mildly entertained, and somewhat surprised by your reaction to being, even superficially contradicted or questioned.

Now, my dear friend, you are very much playing the victim, it is unnecessary, and it does not become you.

Anyone who posts anything on OPP's debate forum is going to be open to questions, and often to ridicule, which you have not experienced while discussing this topic.

Your "integrity" has in no way been impugned.

So far, you've managed to get off easy, i.e., you're ahead of the game.

Comparing your treatment on this OPP topic to your former marriages is going just a little bit overboard, IMHO.

Please continue to defend your beliefs, and dig up a few more verifying facts to hang your hat on, while in the process. This is something I know you're more than able to provide, if you wish to do so.

- or you can always take your marbles and go home, as you threatened, but to what gain?
Peewee, I am in no way offended. br br I am amus... (show quote)


Time will tell, be patient. I'm not broke and don't need repairing. You do sound a lot like my ex's, stop pecking at me. Some guys can tolerate that, I can't. It feels like a betrayal to me and like the trust is gone. When I feel attacked I go silent until I can sort it out. Not a good time to be asking a lot of question and wanting answers. Maybe it's a male thing IDK but it's the way I am. For the second time, leave it alone.

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Jul 14, 2019 22:12:53   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Peewee wrote:
Time will tell, be patient. I'm not broke and don't need repairing. You do sound a lot like my ex's, stop pecking at me. Some guys can tolerate that, I can't. It feels like a betrayal to me and like the trust is gone. When I feel attacked I go silent until I can sort it out. Not a good time to be asking a lot of question and wanting answers. Maybe it's a male thing IDK but it's the way I am. For the second time, leave it alone.


First to address your comment about me being angered by your opinions. I am not even slightly miffed about your beliefs, many seem to share the same opinions. Having said that, as promised.

Ahhh.... the evil Rothschild, they rule the world, own all the banks. They are the NeoN**i bogyman, h**ed and discussed over nightly meals…. Not one Conspiracy websites is complete without mention of this greedy group of people who are responsible for financing every war that has ever been fought in every nation from before Jesus was born and they are responsible for the minor number of Jewish deaths in Concentration Camp (according to a few OPP members) and these were not Concentration Camps where people were gassed, they were mere work camps. In fact, many say that the Rothchild empire made the Holocaust possible. The Rothschild family run the Illuminati who were directly responsible for the assassination of John Kennedy and they hold secret meetings where they k**l babies and drink their blood. Well, that is what Conspiracy Theorist would have us believe. But, after digging into the National Achieves, reading a variety of books, and several wonderful conversations with a close friends of mine who also knows members of the Rothschilds....the t***h is a mixed bag.

If you follow my comments, you will know that I find it impossible to just address current issues without going into history. So, get ready....here we go.

If the Rothschild family own banks, there is a good reason; throughout Christian Europe, it was common for institutionalized antisemitism to prohibit Jews from owning property; so Jewish businesspeople had no choice but to work in the fields of commerce and finance, where money could be kept liquid and easily t***sferred or hidden. By denying Jews the stability of property ownership, Christians unwittingly forced Jews of the day into great financial expertise. Mayer Amschel Rothschild, was one of tens of thousands of marginalized, outcast children born into families who were forced to live in slums where each Sunday he could not leave the ghetto. Christian holidays found the edges of the ghetto patrolled, just in case one of these fleas infested, diseased Jews escaped to prowl the streets to peek into windows, or rob innocent Christians. And the other days of the week, the curfew after 7:00 PM each night. Mayer had two choices... one to live as his parents and die poor and on the streets or he could use the only option left open to him, go into money lending and finance. His first job was trading in rare coins and this is where he met Landgrave William, the E*****r of Hesse, one of only a tiny number of nobles empowered to elect the Holy Roman Emperor. (Remember this name, it appears later). This opened the door for international trade. By the age of 40, he had a sizable nest egg and good thing, he also had five sons. He installed each of his five sons as his agents in the five major financial centers of Europe: the eldest Amschel Mayer Rothschild in Frankfurt, Salomon Mayer Rothschild in Vienna, Nathan Mayer Rothschild in London, Calmann Mayer Rothschild in Naples, and the youngest Jakob Mayer Rothschild in Paris.

Many events were occurring throughout the world, of significance the The Napoleonic Wars (1803–1815) were a series of major conflicts pitting the French Empire and its allies, led by Napoleon I, against a fluctuating array of European powers formed into various coalitions, financed and usually led by the United Kingdom. The wars stemmed from the unresolved disputes associated with the French Revolution and its resultant conflict. This is where the true lies start. The popular version of the story claims that William gave the entirety of his fortune to Mayer to protect it from being seized by Napoleon. Mayer was able to hide the money by sending it to his son Nathan in London. This cannot be verified as a t***h or falsehood. Indeed, there are no records that the Rothschild empire backed the Queen of England in their fight against Napoleon. However, in my opinion this is a good possibility. What we do know and can be vetted is World Wars I and II costs exceeded the abilities of either the Rothschilds or any other banks to finance and resulted in the creation of the International Monetary Fund. This marked the Rothschilds' business making them turn from buying and selling gold or rare coins. In addition, N**i Germany devastated the Austrian Rothschilds and seized all their assets. This branch of the family escaped to the United States, but lost their entire fortunes to the N**is, including several palaces and a huge amount of artwork. The banks' sizable assets became the property of N**i Germany, and this is the only seed of t***h to the claim that the Rothschilds "funded the Holocaust". But, there were other, more personal and painful experiences…. Elisabeth Baroness de Rothschild was arrested by the Germans along with her then-estranged husband by the Vichy government on suspicion of being a spy for England and their property seized. Elisabeth reportedly died of epidemic typhus on March 23, 1945 at Ravensbrück, a N**i Concentration camp. As far as I can discover, she is the only Rothschild to die in the camps. So, as all good conspiracy theories, the nugget of t***h is the funds stolen by the N**i did shore up the German empire and in a round about way furthered the goals of Hitler to eliminate all Jews from not only Germany and their acquired land but the entire world.

So, on to banking. England's unregulated banks all went into crisis due to poor management of interest rates and costs of wars. It seems that Nathan Rothschild was paying attention and had the foresight to buy up huge amounts of gold from the struggling Bank of England at a fire sale price and sold it to the French national bank. When the Bank of England suffered a liquidity crisis as depositors demanded their funds, the bank was able to borrow that same money back from Nathan, and thus averted disaster. Virtually every conspiracy website claim that this is how the Rothschilds "took over the Bank of England". No. They gave them a loan, which was paid back. In later years one Rothschild descendant sat on the Bank of England's board for a time, but by no logic can it be defended that their 1825 t***saction constituted "taking them over".

If you go to any conspiracy website you will find a quote about controlling British money supply. “I care not what puppet is placed on the throne of England to rule the Empire, ...The man that controls Britain's money supply controls the British Empire. And I control the money supply.” I found no original source for the quote at all, though it's repeated in dozens of conspiracy books and on tens of thousands of conspiracy websites. I did a thorough search of all available newspaper archives from Nathan's lifetime, and had some friends check various university library systems. I feel confident that he never made such a statement.

Another claim I have seen is the Rothschild family founded the Illuminati. Almost right. I found that Mayer Amschel Rothschild was one of the first members and supplied funding. Baron Adolph von Knigge was also a “first” member and played a considerable role in the society’s organization and expansion. (Although, Adam Weishaupt born a Jew (DNA) but converted to Christianity was the “brains” that gave birth to the Illuminati. From all accounts he was a forward-thinking professor.) As a former Freemason, Knigge was in favor of adopting rites like free masons. Members of the Illuminati were given a symbolic “secret” name taken from classical antiquity: Weishaupt was Spartacus and Knigge was Philo. The membership levels also became a more complex hierarchy. There was a total of 13 degrees of initiation, divided into three classes. The first culminated in the degree of illuminatus minor, the second illuminatus dirigens, and the third, that of king. The original illuminati were banned in Bavaria a year after its birth. In the course of carrying out arrests of members, Bavarian police found highly compromising documents, including a defense of suicide and atheism, a plan to create a female branch of the order, invisible ink recipes, and medical instructions for carrying out a******ns. The evidence was used as the basis for accusing the order of conspiring against religion and the state. In August 1787, the duke-e*****r issued a third edict in which he confirmed that the order was prohibited and imposed the death penalty for membership. On a side note, the Rothschild did become members of the Free Mason and many hold high levels of the order even today. If you do not know about Free Masons, it is a closed society and much of their ceremonies are secret. They are, by all accounts purely philanthropic, donating time and money for children and hospitals around the world. I can find no evidence that they sacrifice children or drink blood.

So, have I touched all the claims about the Rothschilds... probably not. It is my opinion that Mayer had a hard choice and under the circumstances made the lemons the Christian society dealt him into lemonade and sold it to those Christians.

Below is a partial list of books and articles used to produce this comment. My friend has asked to remain anonymous, but I am indebted to her for her time and willingness to answer my questions with suggestions on where to find more information.

References: 
• The Rothschilds; a Family Portrait by Frederic Morton. Atheneum Publishers (1962) ISBN 1-56836-220-X (1998 reprint)
• The Rothschilds, a Family of Fortune by Virginia Cowles. Alfred A. Knopf (1973) ISBN 0-394-48773-7
• A History of the Jews by Paul M. Johnson (1987) HarperCollins Publishers ISBN 5-551-76858-9
• Rothschild: The Wealth and Power of a Dynasty by Derek Wilson. Scribner, London (1988) ISBN 0-684-19018-4
• House of Rothschild : Money's Prophets: 1798-1848 by Niall Ferguson. Viking Press (1998) ISBN 0-670-85768-8
• The House of Rothschild (vol. 2) : The World's Banker: 1849-1999 by Niall Ferguson. Diane Publishing Co. (1999) ISBN 0-7567-5393-7
• "The Rothschild Affair: A Test of Austria's Conscience" by Jason Edward Kaufman in the Wall Street Journal, July 6, 1999, p. A13 [1]
• Was einmal war - A Handbook of Vienna's Plundered Art Collections by Sophie Lillie. Czernin Verlag, Vienna (2003)ISBN 3-7076-0049-1
• Dunning, B. Deconstructing the Rothschild Conspiracy, 22 May 2012
• "Alleged Federal Reserve Ownership." Web Skeptic: Researching outrageous claims on the internet.Anonymous, 10 Oct. 2008. Web. 18 May. 2012. <http://webskeptic.wikidot.com/federal-reserve-ownership>
• Ferguson, N. The House of Rothschild: Money's Prophets, 1798-1848. London: Weidenfeld & Nicolson, 1997.
• Griffin, G. The Creature from Jekyll Island: A Second Look at the Federal Reserve. Westlake Village: American Media, 1994.
• Kaplan, H. Nathan Mayer Rothschild and the Creation of a Dynasty: The Critical Years 1806-1816. Stanford: Stanford University Press, 2006.
• Neal, L. "The Financial Crisis of 1825 and the Restructuring of the British Financial System." Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis: Review. 1 May 1998, Volume 1998: 53-76.
• Reeves, J. The Rothschilds: The Financial Rulers of Nations. London: Sampson Low Marston Searle and Rivington, 1887.
• Thomas, L. "The Man Who May Become the Richest Rothschild." The New York Times. 9 Mar. 2007, Newspaper.

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Jul 14, 2019 23:28:56   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
Pennylynn wrote:
First to address your comment about me being angered by your opinions. I am not even slightly miffed about your beliefs, many seem to share the same opinions. Having said that, as promised.

Ahhh.... the evil Rothschild, they rule the world, own all the banks. They are the NeoN**i bogyman, h**ed and discussed over nightly meals…. Not one Conspiracy websites is complete without mention of this greedy group of people who are responsible for financing every war that has ever been fought in every nation from before Jesus was born and they are responsible for the minor number of Jewish deaths in Concentration Camp (according to a few OPP members) and these were not Concentration Camps where people were gassed, they were mere work camps. In fact, many say that the Rothchild empire made the Holocaust possible. The Rothschild family run the Illuminati who were directly responsible for the assassination of John Kennedy and they hold secret meetings where they k**l babies and drink their blood. Well, that is what Conspiracy Theorist would have us believe. But, after digging into the National Achieves, reading a variety of books, and several wonderful conversations with a close friends of mine who also knows members of the Rothschilds....the t***h is a mixed bag.

If you follow my comments, you will know that I find it impossible to just address current issues without going into history. So, get ready....here we go.

If the Rothschild family own banks, there is a good reason; throughout Christian Europe, it was common for institutionalized antisemitism to prohibit Jews from owning property; so Jewish businesspeople had no choice but to work in the fields of commerce and finance, where money could be kept liquid and easily t***sferred or hidden. By denying Jews the stability of property ownership, Christians unwittingly forced Jews of the day into great financial expertise. Mayer Amschel Rothschild, was one of tens of thousands of marginalized, outcast children born into families who were forced to live in slums where each Sunday he could not leave the ghetto. Christian holidays found the edges of the ghetto patrolled, just in case one of these fleas infested, diseased Jews escaped to prowl the streets to peek into windows, or rob innocent Christians. And the other days of the week, the curfew after 7:00 PM each night. Mayer had two choices... one to live as his parents and die poor and on the streets or he could use the only option left open to him, go into money lending and finance. His first job was trading in rare coins and this is where he met Landgrave William, the E*****r of Hesse, one of only a tiny number of nobles empowered to elect the Holy Roman Emperor. (Remember this name, it appears later). This opened the door for international trade. By the age of 40, he had a sizable nest egg and good thing, he also had five sons. He installed each of his five sons as his agents in the five major financial centers of Europe: the eldest Amschel Mayer Rothschild in Frankfurt, Salomon Mayer Rothschild in Vienna, Nathan Mayer Rothschild in London, Calmann Mayer Rothschild in Naples, and the youngest Jakob Mayer Rothschild in Paris.

Many events were occurring throughout the world, of significance the The Napoleonic Wars (1803–1815) were a series of major conflicts pitting the French Empire and its allies, led by Napoleon I, against a fluctuating array of European powers formed into various coalitions, financed and usually led by the United Kingdom. The wars stemmed from the unresolved disputes associated with the French Revolution and its resultant conflict. This is where the true lies start. The popular version of the story claims that William gave the entirety of his fortune to Mayer to protect it from being seized by Napoleon. Mayer was able to hide the money by sending it to his son Nathan in London. This cannot be verified as a t***h or falsehood. Indeed, there are no records that the Rothschild empire backed the Queen of England in their fight against Napoleon. However, in my opinion this is a good possibility. What we do know and can be vetted is World Wars I and II costs exceeded the abilities of either the Rothschilds or any other banks to finance and resulted in the creation of the International Monetary Fund. This marked the Rothschilds' business making them turn from buying and selling gold or rare coins. In addition, N**i Germany devastated the Austrian Rothschilds and seized all their assets. This branch of the family escaped to the United States, but lost their entire fortunes to the N**is, including several palaces and a huge amount of artwork. The banks' sizable assets became the property of N**i Germany, and this is the only seed of t***h to the claim that the Rothschilds "funded the Holocaust". But, there were other, more personal and painful experiences…. Elisabeth Baroness de Rothschild was arrested by the Germans along with her then-estranged husband by the Vichy government on suspicion of being a spy for England and their property seized. Elisabeth reportedly died of epidemic typhus on March 23, 1945 at Ravensbrück, a N**i Concentration camp. As far as I can discover, she is the only Rothschild to die in the camps. So, as all good conspiracy theories, the nugget of t***h is the funds stolen by the N**i did shore up the German empire and in a round about way furthered the goals of Hitler to eliminate all Jews from not only Germany and their acquired land but the entire world.

So, on to banking. England's unregulated banks all went into crisis due to poor management of interest rates and costs of wars. It seems that Nathan Rothschild was paying attention and had the foresight to buy up huge amounts of gold from the struggling Bank of England at a fire sale price and sold it to the French national bank. When the Bank of England suffered a liquidity crisis as depositors demanded their funds, the bank was able to borrow that same money back from Nathan, and thus averted disaster. Virtually every conspiracy website claim that this is how the Rothschilds "took over the Bank of England". No. They gave them a loan, which was paid back. In later years one Rothschild descendant sat on the Bank of England's board for a time, but by no logic can it be defended that their 1825 t***saction constituted "taking them over".

If you go to any conspiracy website you will find a quote about controlling British money supply. “I care not what puppet is placed on the throne of England to rule the Empire, ...The man that controls Britain's money supply controls the British Empire. And I control the money supply.” I found no original source for the quote at all, though it's repeated in dozens of conspiracy books and on tens of thousands of conspiracy websites. I did a thorough search of all available newspaper archives from Nathan's lifetime, and had some friends check various university library systems. I feel confident that he never made such a statement.

Another claim I have seen is the Rothschild family founded the Illuminati. Almost right. I found that Mayer Amschel Rothschild was one of the first members and supplied funding. Baron Adolph von Knigge was also a “first” member and played a considerable role in the society’s organization and expansion. (Although, Adam Weishaupt born a Jew (DNA) but converted to Christianity was the “brains” that gave birth to the Illuminati. From all accounts he was a forward-thinking professor.) As a former Freemason, Knigge was in favor of adopting rites like free masons. Members of the Illuminati were given a symbolic “secret” name taken from classical antiquity: Weishaupt was Spartacus and Knigge was Philo. The membership levels also became a more complex hierarchy. There was a total of 13 degrees of initiation, divided into three classes. The first culminated in the degree of illuminatus minor, the second illuminatus dirigens, and the third, that of king. The original illuminati were banned in Bavaria a year after its birth. In the course of carrying out arrests of members, Bavarian police found highly compromising documents, including a defense of suicide and atheism, a plan to create a female branch of the order, invisible ink recipes, and medical instructions for carrying out a******ns. The evidence was used as the basis for accusing the order of conspiring against religion and the state. In August 1787, the duke-e*****r issued a third edict in which he confirmed that the order was prohibited and imposed the death penalty for membership. On a side note, the Rothschild did become members of the Free Mason and many hold high levels of the order even today. If you do not know about Free Masons, it is a closed society and much of their ceremonies are secret. They are, by all accounts purely philanthropic, donating time and money for children and hospitals around the world. I can find no evidence that they sacrifice children or drink blood.

So, have I touched all the claims about the Rothschilds... probably not. It is my opinion that Mayer had a hard choice and under the circumstances made the lemons the Christian society dealt him into lemonade and sold it to those Christians.

Below is a partial list of books and articles used to produce this comment. My friend has asked to remain anonymous, but I am indebted to her for her time and willingness to answer my questions with suggestions on where to find more information.

References: 
• The Rothschilds; a Family Portrait by Frederic Morton. Atheneum Publishers (1962) ISBN 1-56836-220-X (1998 reprint)
• The Rothschilds, a Family of Fortune by Virginia Cowles. Alfred A. Knopf (1973) ISBN 0-394-48773-7
• A History of the Jews by Paul M. Johnson (1987) HarperCollins Publishers ISBN 5-551-76858-9
• Rothschild: The Wealth and Power of a Dynasty by Derek Wilson. Scribner, London (1988) ISBN 0-684-19018-4
• House of Rothschild : Money's Prophets: 1798-1848 by Niall Ferguson. Viking Press (1998) ISBN 0-670-85768-8
• The House of Rothschild (vol. 2) : The World's Banker: 1849-1999 by Niall Ferguson. Diane Publishing Co. (1999) ISBN 0-7567-5393-7
• "The Rothschild Affair: A Test of Austria's Conscience" by Jason Edward Kaufman in the Wall Street Journal, July 6, 1999, p. A13 [1]
• Was einmal war - A Handbook of Vienna's Plundered Art Collections by Sophie Lillie. Czernin Verlag, Vienna (2003)ISBN 3-7076-0049-1
• Dunning, B. Deconstructing the Rothschild Conspiracy, 22 May 2012
• "Alleged Federal Reserve Ownership." Web Skeptic: Researching outrageous claims on the internet.Anonymous, 10 Oct. 2008. Web. 18 May. 2012. <http://webskeptic.wikidot.com/federal-reserve-ownership>
• Ferguson, N. The House of Rothschild: Money's Prophets, 1798-1848. London: Weidenfeld & Nicolson, 1997.
• Griffin, G. The Creature from Jekyll Island: A Second Look at the Federal Reserve. Westlake Village: American Media, 1994.
• Kaplan, H. Nathan Mayer Rothschild and the Creation of a Dynasty: The Critical Years 1806-1816. Stanford: Stanford University Press, 2006.
• Neal, L. "The Financial Crisis of 1825 and the Restructuring of the British Financial System." Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis: Review. 1 May 1998, Volume 1998: 53-76.
• Reeves, J. The Rothschilds: The Financial Rulers of Nations. London: Sampson Low Marston Searle and Rivington, 1887.
• Thomas, L. "The Man Who May Become the Richest Rothschild." The New York Times. 9 Mar. 2007, Newspaper.
First to address your comment about me being anger... (show quote)


That will take months to read which I will try to do. Thank you for compiling all that info for me.

A question? Do you trust Trump? I do. Second question do you trust John Hagee and CUFI? I do. I used to attend the church he pastors until he started turning a lot of the duties over to his son.

I think the Rothschild are not just bad people I think they are pure evil. If you trust Trump and Bibi you should also trust Q. I don't know who or what Q is. He might be the NSA or our military intel branch. But whoever he is he is very close and working with Trump. Go to "q***n.pub" and "q***n.map" do a little research. Today's post mentions the Rothschilds. There are over 3K Q posts, I started following Q in Dec 2017. Things he said two years ago are coming true now. He does put out disinformation at times to confuse and defeat the swamp and that includes bad actors in the GOP. People like me asked Q to have Trump do and say certain things and he did. So for me, he has been vetted and verified as a patriot.

I doubt it will change my mind about the Rothschilds but I will read your data unless I've already read it. Then I will just scan it. I never wanted to touch or read anything about the occult but when I worked at a substance abuse facility it kept coming up when the inmates would talk about their addiction and families and friends. As a Bible reader, I know the dark side exists and I should learn more about it and I did. It led me to the Rothschilds, Illuminati, mind control, drug culture, NWO and some of their hidden symbols. You have to know your enemy to fight him. So I learned as much as I could. I'm still learning.

I will read you're stuff and I hope you will read some Q stuff. We both have some blind spots and some prejudices I'm sure. If you don't believe child sacrifices take place there is a video you should watch. Nothing gory just an interview with two children telling stuff they shouldn't know about at their age. It's called "Save the Littles". Google and YT scrubbed them but they keep getting put back on YT and the web. If you don't find it you may with different search engines.

Okay, so visit the Q site for today because it mentions the Rothschilds and shows a pic with some young Rothschilds and Jeffery Epstein's assistant. She helped train the young girls Epstein used and abused. Breitbart is a news site and it seems there may now be a link between Epstein and (sp) Edhu Barack. You may want to read it. Epstein's main business is blackmail.

Until next time. Holler if I can of any assistance.

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Jul 15, 2019 00:37:18   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Peewee wrote:
That will take months to read which I will try to do. Thank you for compiling all that info for me.

A question? Do you trust Trump? I do. Second question do you trust John Hagee and CUFI? I do. I used to attend the church he pastors until he started turning a lot of the duties over to his son.

I think the Rothschild are not just bad people I think they are pure evil. If you trust Trump and Bibi you should also trust Q. I don't know who or what Q is. He might be the NSA or our military intel branch. But whoever he is he is very close and working with Trump. Go to "q***n.pub" and "q***n.map" do a little research. Today's post mentions the Rothschilds. There are over 3K Q posts, I started following Q in Dec 2017. Things he said two years ago are coming true now. He does put out disinformation at times to confuse and defeat the swamp and that includes bad actors in the GOP. People like me asked Q to have Trump do and say certain things and he did. So for me, he has been vetted and verified as a patriot.

I doubt it will change my mind about the Rothschilds but I will read your data unless I've already read it. Then I will just scan it. I never wanted to touch or read anything about the occult but when I worked at a substance abuse facility it kept coming up when the inmates would talk about their addiction and families and friends. As a Bible reader, I know the dark side exists and I should learn more about it and I did. It led me to the Rothschilds, Illuminati, mind control, drug culture, NWO and some of their hidden symbols. You have to know your enemy to fight him. So I learned as much as I could. I'm still learning.

I will read you're stuff and I hope you will read some Q stuff. We both have some blind spots and some prejudices I'm sure. If you don't believe child sacrifices take place there is a video you should watch. Nothing gory just an interview with two children telling stuff they shouldn't know about at their age. It's called "Save the Littles". Google and YT scrubbed them but they keep getting put back on YT and the web. If you don't find it you may with different search engines.

Okay, so visit the Q site for today because it mentions the Rothschilds and shows a pic with some young Rothschilds and Jeffery Epstein's assistant. She helped train the young girls Epstein used and abused. Breitbart is a news site and it seems there may now be a link between Epstein and (sp) Edhu Barack. You may want to read it. Epstein's main business is blackmail.

Until next time. Holler if I can of any assistance.
That will take months to read which I will try to ... (show quote)


Your questions..... so far President Trump has not given me any reason to mistrust him. He has had to backtrack on somethings, but for the most part he is doing what he was elected to do. As for John Hagee, I do not have any basis to present or even form an opinion. BiBi is a man who is doing what he thinks is right for Israel. I think his heart belongs to Israel and she will always come first when he weighs the affairs of the world.

My Poppa taught me early on, know your enemy as well as you know yourself. I have read many occult books and studied the relationship to activities of modern day mankind. I do not believe in magic and for the most part, I do not believe that anyone past or present are entirely evil. I think when we believe someone is evil, we go out of our way to prove that they are evil as we do when we do not want to see bad in a person we admire.

I have no intention of persuading you that the Rothschild family are good or evil. Now if you want to specify one individual Rothschild and the evil you perceive, I will do the research on that person.... but, I would hesitate to say that all Rothschild family members are evil... I don't think so. What I gave you are the facts from authorities that have extensive research and show that research. Of course, I have not read everything about every last family member, and can only report on a consistent theme. I do not know a Rothschild, so none of this information is based on first hand or personal knowledge. But, on first hand knowledge I will tell you a short story.... back in 1920 or 21, a cousin of my Poppa stole a horse. So, he was a horse thief.... does that make me a horse thief? What I am trying to tell you, you can not brand everyone the same.... there may be one or more Rothschild who were i***ts, thieves, underhanded in their dealings with others.... so, try not to put everyone under the same umbrella..... and while at it, how many Rothschild can you individually name?

I did manage to watch the video you recommended, those children were indoctrinated. I am sure that things like this happens, but I do not believe these kids.... victims of such actions do not behave so upbeat, the real victims hang their heads as if ashamed, they are reluctant to talk about abuse and most cry while telling their stories. But, because I do not believe these kids certainly is no reason for you to change your opinion. You said that you were once a police officer..... ever gone on a child abuse call... if so, how did that child or children behave? Bouncy and cheerful, or sad and quite? I may be wrong, trust your instincts.

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