PeterS wrote:
So you will listen to people you think disrespect our f**g and country? When did you change that point of view?
This is getting too far into the area of conservative hypocracy so I think it best to cut this discussion off now...
You complain about conservative hypocrisy? Look at Liberal and Progressive hypocrisy?
People like me, believe that all people have a right to speak. We believe that that speech should be conducted in a safe environment, so that the thesis can be heard and ideas shared, in a peaceful non-violent manner. People like me, have a long tradition of avoiding violence, and hearing the meat and potatoes of the argument. We believe that anyone bullied or harassed for their point of view is evil and wrong.
So let's explore for a moment what I mean by the above statement shall we?
Just because someone disagrees with your point of view does not mean they should be banned from a restaurant, beat up, or even be a victim of character assassination. Anyone who is a victim of character assassination is being bullied and harrassed. As a result their message is not being heard. This is true discrimination.
I, Pete have been a victim of character assassination. So has you. It is not character assassination, nor is it bullying, nor is it harrassment, if the debate stays on the subject manner and not on the person making the debate.
Other rules of "Getting your message out", is that the message must be real and provable. Examples of character assassination is all the press reports of Russian Collusion and Obstruction against Donald Trump. The reason, I state this as a fact, is because after five investigations, the investigators found no Collusion and no Obstruction. No matter how many times you investigate, it becomes double jeopardy to continue to investigate an issue that has been officially closed.
As I stated before, Prudence, with Justice and Liberty must be exercised during debate, as well as during a court case to establish the facts. The facts are the only form of reason that the law accepts. Gossip, false statements, etc. undermine the establishment of facts.
This creates abuse of the system if gossip, and public opinion, overrides fact. The protestant reformation of religion was established because the Catholic Church, in dealings of judgement, used gossip, public opinion, and other forms of false witnesses to charge and punish those against them. This was also used in the court case of Jesus Christ. It is well documented in the Gospels, in Jewish record, and in Roman record, the trial of Jesus Christ, whereas, Pontius Pilate felt that Jesus Christ was innocent of all charges the Sanhedrin brought against Christ. Through bullying, through harassment, through torture(which is harassment at the ultimate extreme), Christ was falsely accused-- Falsely judged, and crucified. This proves that man is fallible and nothing that man decides based upon public pressure, public harassment, and public bullying is unjust.
Harassment whether or not it is racial is the greatest evil of man. Harassment is a form of torture. Harassment is bullying on steroids and Harassment on steroids is torture. To overcome bullying and harassment, man must show using facts, that his point stands true and is fact. So testimonies are presented to a jury of peers. We, the American public are that jury.
Therefore, standing for the f**g, saying the pledge of allegiance, standing for the national anthem, says to the world, "We have rights, we have a voice, and we support the elimination of injustice, through prudence, freedom and true justice. Every voice counts. Every action done in t***h and justice, is the American way"
In the 1920's a slogan was used by a comic book alien. That alien we know as "Superman", his slogan was "For T***h, Justice and the American way"
99 percent of Superman's battles included all forms of harassment and bullying. Superman stood for the weak and those who could not stand up for themselves. The biggest evil facing the country is bullies, and those who bully to harass, and steal from their fellow citizens.
Kaepernick was foolish to kneel before the f**g during the national anthem. However he is free to do so. Although foolish, he is free to express his opinion. Now in expressing his opinion should be done in a forum, that should be designed in hearing his voice and embracing his message. While at work, is not the forum for such a message to be shown to the world. That can be called grandstanding which is a form of harassment.
Thus, in our Republic, we have social tendencies which can be called romantic. We expect that our fellow Americans conduct themselves in a respectful way. And if they do not do so, then they are bullied, harassed and if taken to the extreme are tortured and eventually k**led.
Do you think the words of someone who was harrassed is worth repeating? Tell me who said this:
"I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together.
This is our hope. This is the faith that I go back to the South with. With this faith we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With this faith we will be able to t***sform the jangling discords of our nation into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood. With this faith we will be able to work together, to pray together, to struggle together, to go to jail together, to stand up for freedom together, knowing that we will be free one day.
This will be the day when all of God’s children will be able to sing with a new meaning, “My country, ‘tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing. Land where my fathers died, land of the pilgrim’s p***e, from every mountainside, let freedom ring.”
And if America is to be a great nation this must become true. So let freedom ring from the prodigious hilltops of New Hampshire. Let freedom ring from the mighty mountains of New York. Let freedom ring from the heightening Alleghenies of Pennsylvania!
Let freedom ring from the snowcapped Rockies of Colorado!
Let freedom ring from the curvaceous slopes of California!
But not only that; let freedom ring from Stone Mountain of Georgia!
Let freedom ring from Lookout Mountain of Tennessee!
Let freedom ring from every hill and molehill of Mississippi. From every mountainside, let freedom ring.
And when this happens, when we allow freedom to ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God’s children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual, “Free at last! free at last! thank God Almighty, we are free at last!”"Even Dr. King recognizes the need of a proper forum for protest in the same speech as above he said,
"I am not unmindful that some of you have come here out of great trials and tribulations. Some of you have come fresh from narrow jail cells. Some of you have come from areas where your quest for freedom left you battered by the storms of persecution and staggered by the winds of police brutality. You have been the veterans of creative suffering. Continue to work with the faith that unearned suffering is redemptive.
Go back to Mississippi, go back to Alabama, go back to South Carolina, go back to Georgia, go back to Louisiana, go back to the slums and ghettos of our northern cities, knowing that somehow this situation can and will be changed. Let us not wallow in the valley of despair.
I say to you today, my friends, so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream.
I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: “We hold these t***hs to be self-evident: that all men are created equal.”
I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former s***es and the sons of former s***e owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.
I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be t***sformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.
I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.
I have a dream today.
I have a dream that one day, down in Alabama, with its vicious r****ts, with its governor having his lips dripping with the words of interposition and nullification; one day right there in Alabama, little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers.
I have a dream today."
I love Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. for one great reason. He gives me the reason to say the pledge! He gives me a reason to march forward and stand for the National Anthem. He gives me the reason to take the oath to protect this country against all enemies foreign and domestic. Dr. King is a true hero of America!
He along with his contemporary Robert Kennedy said this:
I have bad news for you, for all of our fellow citizens, and people who love peace all over the world, and that is that Martin Luther King was shot and k**led tonight.
Martin Luther King dedicated his life to love and to justice for his fellow human beings, and he died because of that effort.
In this difficult day, in this difficult time for the United States, it is perhaps well to ask what kind of a nation we are and what direction we want to move in. For those of you who are black--considering the evidence there evidently is that there were white people who were responsible--you can be filled with bitterness, with hatred, and a desire for revenge. We can move in that direction as a country, in great polarization--black people amongst black, white people amongst white, filled with hatred toward one another.
Or we can make an effort, as Martin Luther King did, to understand and to comprehend, and to replace that violence, that stain of bloodshed that has spread across our land, with an effort to understand with compassion and love.
For those of you who are black and are tempted to be filled with hatred and distrust at the injustice of such an act, against all white people, I can only say that I feel in my own heart the same kind of feeling. I had a member of my family k**led, but he was k**led by a white man. But we have to make an effort in the United States, we have to make an effort to understand, to go beyond these rather difficult times.
My favorite poet was Aeschylus. He wrote: "In our sleep, pain which cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart until, in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom through the awful grace of God."
What we need in the United States is not division; what we need in the United States is not hatred; what we need in the United States is not violence or lawlessness; but love and wisdom, and compassion toward one another, and a feeling of justice toward those who still suffer within our country, whether they be white or they be black.
So I shall ask you tonight to return home, to say a prayer for the family of Martin Luther King, that's true, but more importantly to say a prayer for our own country, which all of us love--a prayer for understanding and that compassion of which I spoke.
We can do well in this country. We will have difficult times; we've had difficult times in the past; we will have difficult times in the future. It is not the end of violence; it is not the end of lawlessness; it is not the end of disorder.
But the vast majority of white people and the vast majority of black people in this country want to live together, want to improve the quality of our life, and want justice for all human beings who abide in our land.
Let us dedicate ourselves to what the Greeks wrote so many years ago: to tame the savageness of man and make gentle the life of this world.
Let us dedicate ourselves to that, and say a prayer for our country and for our people.
Robert Kennedy along with Dr. Martin Luther King, exposed to the American Republic that bullying, that harrassment, that torture, that s***ery that all Americans, not just the s***es, but all Americans are ens***ed. Whenever a tyrant rises from the people, to cause the autoricities, that bully, harass, or torture the least of us, they harrass all of us.
It is not Conservative Hypocrisy. Nor is it Liberal Hypocrisy. It is down right bullying and harassment. It is discrimination not against the Negro, but against all people. The most discriminated people on planet earth is the Jews! I take a stand with America! I take a stand against the evil bullies who use tools such as power and money, such as hypocrisy, such as physical threats and violence.