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Jul 12, 2019 19:21:24   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
Seth wrote:
They are like an infection that spreads on contact...

Almost makes you want to 'build a wall', doesn't it?

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Jul 12, 2019 20:02:32   #
Seth
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
Almost makes you want to 'build a wall', doesn't it?


Yep, the border wall extended to also go around California, and we move our bases from San Diego farther north. Give California independence, let them be their own country as "the world's wh**ever largest economy."

And Grant zero visas to "progressives" clamoring to come in and infect their former country.

No refugees from the People's Republic of Kalifornia.

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Jul 12, 2019 20:08:37   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
Seth wrote:
Yep, the border wall extended to also go around California, and we move our bases from San Diego farther north. Give California independence, let them be their own country as "the world's wh**ever largest economy."

And Grant zero visas to "progressives" clamoring to come in and infect their former country.

No refugees from the People's Republic of Kalifornia.

Really just that thin strip containing LA and San Fran down to the border. The rest is pretty sane.

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Jul 12, 2019 20:10:12   #
Seth
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
Really just that thin strip containing LA and San Fran down to the border. The rest is pretty sane.


That'll work -- I actually know some right thinkers who live in Red Bluff. 😁

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Jul 12, 2019 21:50:50   #
Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ
 
PeterS wrote:
So you will listen to people you think disrespect our f**g and country? When did you change that point of view?

This is getting too far into the area of conservative hypocracy so I think it best to cut this discussion off now...


You complain about conservative hypocrisy? Look at Liberal and Progressive hypocrisy?

People like me, believe that all people have a right to speak. We believe that that speech should be conducted in a safe environment, so that the thesis can be heard and ideas shared, in a peaceful non-violent manner. People like me, have a long tradition of avoiding violence, and hearing the meat and potatoes of the argument. We believe that anyone bullied or harassed for their point of view is evil and wrong.

So let's explore for a moment what I mean by the above statement shall we?
Just because someone disagrees with your point of view does not mean they should be banned from a restaurant, beat up, or even be a victim of character assassination. Anyone who is a victim of character assassination is being bullied and harrassed. As a result their message is not being heard. This is true discrimination.

I, Pete have been a victim of character assassination. So has you. It is not character assassination, nor is it bullying, nor is it harrassment, if the debate stays on the subject manner and not on the person making the debate.

Other rules of "Getting your message out", is that the message must be real and provable. Examples of character assassination is all the press reports of Russian Collusion and Obstruction against Donald Trump. The reason, I state this as a fact, is because after five investigations, the investigators found no Collusion and no Obstruction. No matter how many times you investigate, it becomes double jeopardy to continue to investigate an issue that has been officially closed.

As I stated before, Prudence, with Justice and Liberty must be exercised during debate, as well as during a court case to establish the facts. The facts are the only form of reason that the law accepts. Gossip, false statements, etc. undermine the establishment of facts.

This creates abuse of the system if gossip, and public opinion, overrides fact. The protestant reformation of religion was established because the Catholic Church, in dealings of judgement, used gossip, public opinion, and other forms of false witnesses to charge and punish those against them. This was also used in the court case of Jesus Christ. It is well documented in the Gospels, in Jewish record, and in Roman record, the trial of Jesus Christ, whereas, Pontius Pilate felt that Jesus Christ was innocent of all charges the Sanhedrin brought against Christ. Through bullying, through harassment, through torture(which is harassment at the ultimate extreme), Christ was falsely accused-- Falsely judged, and crucified. This proves that man is fallible and nothing that man decides based upon public pressure, public harassment, and public bullying is unjust.

Harassment whether or not it is racial is the greatest evil of man. Harassment is a form of torture. Harassment is bullying on steroids and Harassment on steroids is torture. To overcome bullying and harassment, man must show using facts, that his point stands true and is fact. So testimonies are presented to a jury of peers. We, the American public are that jury.

Therefore, standing for the f**g, saying the pledge of allegiance, standing for the national anthem, says to the world, "We have rights, we have a voice, and we support the elimination of injustice, through prudence, freedom and true justice. Every voice counts. Every action done in t***h and justice, is the American way"

In the 1920's a slogan was used by a comic book alien. That alien we know as "Superman", his slogan was "For T***h, Justice and the American way"

99 percent of Superman's battles included all forms of harassment and bullying. Superman stood for the weak and those who could not stand up for themselves. The biggest evil facing the country is bullies, and those who bully to harass, and steal from their fellow citizens.

Kaepernick was foolish to kneel before the f**g during the national anthem. However he is free to do so. Although foolish, he is free to express his opinion. Now in expressing his opinion should be done in a forum, that should be designed in hearing his voice and embracing his message. While at work, is not the forum for such a message to be shown to the world. That can be called grandstanding which is a form of harassment.

Thus, in our Republic, we have social tendencies which can be called romantic. We expect that our fellow Americans conduct themselves in a respectful way. And if they do not do so, then they are bullied, harassed and if taken to the extreme are tortured and eventually k**led.

Do you think the words of someone who was harrassed is worth repeating? Tell me who said this:


"I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together.

This is our hope. This is the faith that I go back to the South with. With this faith we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With this faith we will be able to t***sform the jangling discords of our nation into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood. With this faith we will be able to work together, to pray together, to struggle together, to go to jail together, to stand up for freedom together, knowing that we will be free one day.

This will be the day when all of God’s children will be able to sing with a new meaning, “My country, ‘tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing. Land where my fathers died, land of the pilgrim’s p***e, from every mountainside, let freedom ring.”

And if America is to be a great nation this must become true. So let freedom ring from the prodigious hilltops of New Hampshire. Let freedom ring from the mighty mountains of New York. Let freedom ring from the heightening Alleghenies of Pennsylvania!

Let freedom ring from the snowcapped Rockies of Colorado!

Let freedom ring from the curvaceous slopes of California!

But not only that; let freedom ring from Stone Mountain of Georgia!

Let freedom ring from Lookout Mountain of Tennessee!

Let freedom ring from every hill and molehill of Mississippi. From every mountainside, let freedom ring.

And when this happens, when we allow freedom to ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God’s children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual, “Free at last! free at last! thank God Almighty, we are free at last!”"


Even Dr. King recognizes the need of a proper forum for protest in the same speech as above he said,

"I am not unmindful that some of you have come here out of great trials and tribulations. Some of you have come fresh from narrow jail cells. Some of you have come from areas where your quest for freedom left you battered by the storms of persecution and staggered by the winds of police brutality. You have been the veterans of creative suffering. Continue to work with the faith that unearned suffering is redemptive.

Go back to Mississippi, go back to Alabama, go back to South Carolina, go back to Georgia, go back to Louisiana, go back to the slums and ghettos of our northern cities, knowing that somehow this situation can and will be changed. Let us not wallow in the valley of despair.

I say to you today, my friends, so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: “We hold these t***hs to be self-evident: that all men are created equal.”

I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former s***es and the sons of former s***e owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.

I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be t***sformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

I have a dream today.

I have a dream that one day, down in Alabama, with its vicious r****ts, with its governor having his lips dripping with the words of interposition and nullification; one day right there in Alabama, little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers.

I have a dream today."

I love Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. for one great reason. He gives me the reason to say the pledge! He gives me a reason to march forward and stand for the National Anthem. He gives me the reason to take the oath to protect this country against all enemies foreign and domestic. Dr. King is a true hero of America!

He along with his contemporary Robert Kennedy said this:


I have bad news for you, for all of our fellow citizens, and people who love peace all over the world, and that is that Martin Luther King was shot and k**led tonight.

Martin Luther King dedicated his life to love and to justice for his fellow human beings, and he died because of that effort.

In this difficult day, in this difficult time for the United States, it is perhaps well to ask what kind of a nation we are and what direction we want to move in. For those of you who are black--considering the evidence there evidently is that there were white people who were responsible--you can be filled with bitterness, with hatred, and a desire for revenge. We can move in that direction as a country, in great polarization--black people amongst black, white people amongst white, filled with hatred toward one another.

Or we can make an effort, as Martin Luther King did, to understand and to comprehend, and to replace that violence, that stain of bloodshed that has spread across our land, with an effort to understand with compassion and love.

For those of you who are black and are tempted to be filled with hatred and distrust at the injustice of such an act, against all white people, I can only say that I feel in my own heart the same kind of feeling. I had a member of my family k**led, but he was k**led by a white man. But we have to make an effort in the United States, we have to make an effort to understand, to go beyond these rather difficult times.

My favorite poet was Aeschylus. He wrote: "In our sleep, pain which cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart until, in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom through the awful grace of God."

What we need in the United States is not division; what we need in the United States is not hatred; what we need in the United States is not violence or lawlessness; but love and wisdom, and compassion toward one another, and a feeling of justice toward those who still suffer within our country, whether they be white or they be black.

So I shall ask you tonight to return home, to say a prayer for the family of Martin Luther King, that's true, but more importantly to say a prayer for our own country, which all of us love--a prayer for understanding and that compassion of which I spoke.

We can do well in this country. We will have difficult times; we've had difficult times in the past; we will have difficult times in the future. It is not the end of violence; it is not the end of lawlessness; it is not the end of disorder.

But the vast majority of white people and the vast majority of black people in this country want to live together, want to improve the quality of our life, and want justice for all human beings who abide in our land.

Let us dedicate ourselves to what the Greeks wrote so many years ago: to tame the savageness of man and make gentle the life of this world.

Let us dedicate ourselves to that, and say a prayer for our country and for our people.



Robert Kennedy along with Dr. Martin Luther King, exposed to the American Republic that bullying, that harrassment, that torture, that s***ery that all Americans, not just the s***es, but all Americans are ens***ed. Whenever a tyrant rises from the people, to cause the autoricities, that bully, harass, or torture the least of us, they harrass all of us.

It is not Conservative Hypocrisy. Nor is it Liberal Hypocrisy. It is down right bullying and harassment. It is discrimination not against the Negro, but against all people. The most discriminated people on planet earth is the Jews! I take a stand with America! I take a stand against the evil bullies who use tools such as power and money, such as hypocrisy, such as physical threats and violence.

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Jul 12, 2019 21:54:58   #
Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ
 
Pete, if one is to be equal, and live in the brotherhood of man, as a respected people, I declare, what alternative do we have from the Constitution of the United States to stand against these people who lust for money, power, and control? I stand with America, who will reach up into these people's machine and destroy it to kingdom come.

I am Italian, I am Irish, I am Lithuanian. That is my heritage. But above all of that, I am AMERICAN! I stand with America in all things. If it wasn't for America, the Lithuanian Jews would have been exterminated with their Polish brothers and sisters in the Holocaust. If it wasn't for America, the Irish Catholics would have been smited by the United Kingdom. If it wasn't for America, the Italians would not have destroyed Mussolini. Only in America, shall justice shall be known and realized.

Donald Trump socially may be an arrogant bastard, but professionally he is the true embodiment of freedom, justice and in many, many ways a survivor of harassment. I support Trump, because show me one man, who has the fortitude to stand up against the greatest bully of this country, and still push forward. That evil, that bully is the Washington Political Machine. Some may call it the "Deep State", or the "Swamp" or wh**ever name you may place on it. These are money hungry, power hungry, control freaks, who are tyrants of the greatest narcissism this country or the world has ever seen. And it is time that they be checked.

But when, an outsider stands against them, they bully and harass the outsider. They paint a picture that the outsider is the devil incarnate. The outsider is harassed more than any other American. Who can stand up to that. Ross Perot, tried. Ronald Reagan tried. Bush tried. But in all their accomplishments, they caved to the will of the Political Machine. Donald Trump saw this. Donald Trump studied these snares. And is now fighting the Machine like no man has ever before. Look at what they have done, they attacked him on every front. Yet he still marches on. That is what America must do! We must stand up against this tyranny. We must stand with the Pledge, We must stand with the National Anthem, We must stand for the Constitution, against all enemies, especially the Washington Machine. We must stand with Trump or anyone who stands against the biggest bully of America! Thank you.

I think I said too much. oh well...lol

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Jul 12, 2019 22:08:58   #
Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ
 
The Critical Critic wrote:
That is not a principle of democracy, democracy is in fact the exact opposite of that. Democracies don’t give a damn about the rights of those in the minority; Republicanism does. Hence why the U.S. and each individual state are Republics.


I like this quote. It is true each American is not part of the Republic, we are Republics. That is so awesome. Great Quote.

We Republics, band together in a union that is unstoppable and cannot be defeated. We, together wield the power of Freedom, Prudence, and Justice. I love that quote you wrote, great Job!!!!

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Jul 13, 2019 00:19:21   #
Nickolai
 
Ranger7374 wrote:
For 16 years, most adult Americans went to school.

And after a moment of silence, all the students in one voice said,

"I pledge allegiance to the F**g
Of the United States of America,
and to the Republic, for which it stands,
One nation, Under God, Indivisible
For liberty and Justice for all..."

I wonder how many Americans, still take that pledge....


In the military, the oath was as follows:

"I, Do solemnly swear, that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States
against all enemies foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same, and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States, and the orders of officers appointed over me....."

Has anything changed, do you still pledge alliencience, will you still take the oath? I wonder...
For 16 years, most adult Americans went to school.... (show quote)





When I went to school we said it with out the under God part the cadence was perfect it as beautiful I loved reciting it then the evangelical tried turning our Democratic Republic in to a Theocracy and I would not recite it unless my somebody had a gun to my head And I'm not going to obey Trump either F him

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Jul 13, 2019 00:20:54   #
Nickolai
 
dtucker300 wrote:
I am not sure as many do today as in the past. I don't hear the pledge recited before many public meetings. Go to a ballgame and watch how many fail to take their hat off during the National Anthem.






Super nationalism and capitalism are responsible for the deaths of 100 million people in the 20th century

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Jul 13, 2019 00:24:24   #
The Critical Critic Loc: Turtle Island
 
Ranger7374 wrote:
I like this quote. It is true each American is not part of the Republic, we are Republics. That is so awesome. Great Quote.

We Republics, band together in a union that is unstoppable and cannot be defeated. We, together wield the power of Freedom, Prudence, and Justice. I love that quote you wrote, great Job!!!!
I like this quote. It is true each American is not... (show quote)


Thank you, Ranger. That means a lot. To think I received two compliments on a post I was very close to not posting...

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Jul 13, 2019 00:25:39   #
The Critical Critic Loc: Turtle Island
 
The Revisionist Historian wrote:
Super nationalism and capitalism are responsible for the deaths of 100 million people in the 20th century


Put an elastic around your head and snap out it.

Capitalism has raised more than a billion people out of poverty in the last 50 years alone!!!

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Jul 13, 2019 00:33:18   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Nickolai wrote:
When I went to school we said it with out the under God part the cadence was perfect it as beautiful I loved reciting it then the evangelical tried turning our Democratic Republic in to a Theocracy and I would not recite it unless my somebody had a gun to my head And I'm not going to obey Trump either F him


I didn't know school children in the USSR recited our pledge unless they were being trained as sleepers to infiltrate the USA. I kid! But you are showing your age.

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Jul 17, 2019 00:09:13   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
GO NAVY !
This is the best piece of news that I have received in a long time and applaud the Navy.
GOODBYE PETTY OFFICER 2ND CLASS JANAYE ERVIN!
Article 92 of the U.C.M.J.
Navy Sailor Refuses To Stand For National Anthem - IMMEDIATELY Regrets It.
WRITTEN BY DAVID MILLER

A former Navy intelligence specialist recently took a page out of Colin Kaepernick's playbook and refused to stand for the national anthem during morning colors. However, she quickly learned she'd made a huge mistake.
Conservative Tribune reported that Petty Officer 2nd Class Janaye Ervin was stripped of her security clearance and assigned to menial labor for a few days before she was forced to leave the Navy for disrespecting our country so blatantly.
It all started on September 19, when Ervin refused to stand for the anthem when she was on reserve duty at Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam in Hawaii. The International BusinessTimes reported that Ervin claimed she was trying to make a statement about b****s being persecuted in the United States by doing this. "I just didn't want to stand at that moment," Ervin said "I can't stand for this song knowing that the song isn't for me, being black. The song doesn't represent me at all. To be honest, I never really thought about the f**g my entire life, I had no reason to. It's just a f**g."
The next day, Ervin's superiors read her her rights and gave her a warning about potentially compromising her security clearance, which she needed for both her military and civilian job. One day after that, she was stripped of her security clearance and escorted out of the secure area where she was working.
Ervin is now claiming that she was never told which order she was violating, but this is clearly a lie since she violated the 10th General Order for Sentries, "...To salute all officers and colors and standards not cased....." which is taught in Navy boot camp.
All members of the Navy are required to memorize all 11 general orders in Bootcamp, and they are aware that violating any one of them is subject to Article 92 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice and is subject to wh**ever punishment is decided by court-martial.
On September 21, Ervin took to Facebook to publicly whine about how "unfair" this has been for her. "The Navy has decided to punish me for defending the Constitution and has taken away the equipment I need to do my Naval job," she wrote, according to PopularMilitary.com.
Hey, Janaye, the Navy did not take ANYTHING from you - you forfeited your own job when you knowingly violated a general order.
SHARE this story if you think she got what she deserved ...

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Jul 17, 2019 00:29:12   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
I just bought a dozen koozy’s that have the name Kaperdick on them. Number 0. His worth. With a snowflake on the front. Hysterical.

dtucker300 wrote:
GO NAVY !
This is the best piece of news that I have received in a long time and applaud the Navy.
GOODBYE PETTY OFFICER 2ND CLASS JANAYE ERVIN!
Article 92 of the U.C.M.J.
Navy Sailor Refuses To Stand For National Anthem - IMMEDIATELY Regrets It.
WRITTEN BY DAVID MILLER

A former Navy intelligence specialist recently took a page out of Colin Kaepernick's playbook and refused to stand for the national anthem during morning colors. However, she quickly learned she'd made a huge mistake.
Conservative Tribune reported that Petty Officer 2nd Class Janaye Ervin was stripped of her security clearance and assigned to menial labor for a few days before she was forced to leave the Navy for disrespecting our country so blatantly.
It all started on September 19, when Ervin refused to stand for the anthem when she was on reserve duty at Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam in Hawaii. The International BusinessTimes reported that Ervin claimed she was trying to make a statement about b****s being persecuted in the United States by doing this. "I just didn't want to stand at that moment," Ervin said "I can't stand for this song knowing that the song isn't for me, being black. The song doesn't represent me at all. To be honest, I never really thought about the f**g my entire life, I had no reason to. It's just a f**g."
The next day, Ervin's superiors read her her rights and gave her a warning about potentially compromising her security clearance, which she needed for both her military and civilian job. One day after that, she was stripped of her security clearance and escorted out of the secure area where she was working.
Ervin is now claiming that she was never told which order she was violating, but this is clearly a lie since she violated the 10th General Order for Sentries, "...To salute all officers and colors and standards not cased....." which is taught in Navy boot camp.
All members of the Navy are required to memorize all 11 general orders in Bootcamp, and they are aware that violating any one of them is subject to Article 92 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice and is subject to wh**ever punishment is decided by court-martial.
On September 21, Ervin took to Facebook to publicly whine about how "unfair" this has been for her. "The Navy has decided to punish me for defending the Constitution and has taken away the equipment I need to do my Naval job," she wrote, according to PopularMilitary.com.
Hey, Janaye, the Navy did not take ANYTHING from you - you forfeited your own job when you knowingly violated a general order.
SHARE this story if you think she got what she deserved ...
GO NAVY ! br This is the best piece of news that I... (show quote)

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Jul 17, 2019 01:13:54   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
JFlorio wrote:
I just bought a dozen koozy’s that have the name Kaperdick on them. Number 0. His worth. With a snowflake on the front. Hysterical.



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