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Jul 11, 2019 10:16:52   #
moldyoldy (a regular here)
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
In whose universe? It absolutely is normal at this time of year. So are the huge clouds of mosquitoes.


They broke all the records

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Jul 11, 2019 10:19:08   #
Jakebrake (a regular here)
 
permafrost wrote:
Is it not true that one of the most bitter complaints of the right wing is that illegals get food stamps and you just hate when that happens..

So it seems indeed to be on topic.. or are you OK with food stamp program?

"US" is we, those who pay taxes..

Orange criminal who does not pay taxes, pays more then i would in a hundred lifetimes???

No, that is very untrue..

And I like many on OPP have given more in my life time then that useless POS from the shallow end of the gene pool has ever given..

He cares nothing about our nation. demonstrated by his throwing away our leadership position we as a nation worked so hard to live up to..

He is such a scum bag, he will not even help those dumb enough to vote for him and sit him in our white house..
Is it not true that one of the most bitter complai... (show quote)


Oh my frosty, your TDS has kicked into high gear this AM~



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Jul 11, 2019 10:19:53   #
permafrost (a regular here)
 
America 1 wrote:
All those countries, perfect for you.
Pack up, go.



Can not go anywhere..

Got myself involved in a secret program to remove all those opposed to American values to a different land scape for normalization.. time consuming but may accomplish the impossible of giving knowledge to the stone headed.

Your name is on the list near the beginning.

When the knock on you door comes. do not get alarmed, it s for the the better.

Do not tell anyone about the this project it is a secret..



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Jul 11, 2019 10:28:40   #
permafrost (a regular here)
 
Jakebrake wrote:
Oh my frosty, your TDS has kicked into high gear this AM~



darn it jake, I have been trying to show my empathy and concern, but it seems I just do not give a crap this morning..

but the sun is shining, coffed is great, kid is gone for today. dog loves me..

So I shall be much more gentel in a bit of time..

Head to the deck and do nothing again..

What are you guys on the right deluding yourselves about today??

By the way.. real question, what was the Kidney treatment idea trump was going to release yesterday, I was interested, thought it may be the first good thing to ever be done by orange.

so I watched but not even local (Twin Cities) had anything about it.

Short tread was on yesterday..



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Jul 11, 2019 10:41:37   #
Jakebrake (a regular here)
 
permafrost wrote:
darn it jake, I have been trying to show my empathy and concern, but it seems I just do not give a crap this morning..

but the sun is shining, coffed is great, kid is gone for today. dog loves me..

So I shall be much more gentel in a bit of time..

Head to the deck and do nothing again..

What are you guys on the right deluding yourselves about today??

By the way.. real question, what was the Kidney treatment idea trump was going to release yesterday, I was interested, thought it may be the first good thing to ever be done by orange.

so I watched but not even local (Twin Cities) had anything about it.

Short tread was on yesterday..
darn it jake, I have been trying to show my empath... (show quote)





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Jul 11, 2019 10:42:53   #
bmac32 (a regular here)
 
The biggest disadvantage of socialism is that it relies on the cooperative nature of humans to work. It ignores those within society who are competitive, not cooperative. Competitive people tend to seek ways to overthrow and disrupt society for their own gain. Capitalism harnesses this "Greed is good" drive. Socialism pretends it doesn't exist.

As a result, socialism doesn't reward people for being entrepreneurial. It struggles to be as innovative as a capitalistic society.

A third disadvantage is that the government has a lot of power. This works as long as it represents the wishes of the people. But government leaders can abuse this position and claim power for themselves.




David Seaman wrote:
Well, do you know what socialism is? I mean really: I’m interested in hearing what you fear or like about it. Public Schools are good, right? Public Works- road maintenance, parks, electric. And public service like police and fire, courts, tax assessors- all of it to support We The People. And the places that privatized public services screwed us. The Prison system is the perfect example.
But we *are* a socialist country. The root word, social, refers to Society. We are tribal people. We do not do well on our own- isolated. And the US hasn’t fought an honest war since 1945. I have so many younger friends who enlisted and served tour after tour in Afghanistan and Iraq. Some died there, others died after they returned. What does the Middle East War (2003 -present) have to do with our way of life? What were my friends fighting for?
I seriously welcome the opportunity to learn from you; to share our ideas.
Let’s start with “socialist.” For 17 of my 32 years working I taught public school. I served the public. I’ve been in the trenches of service to my country. Instead of a rifle I carried a baton, lesson plans, and an iPod. But service just the same.
Are services that benefit the whole society a bad thing or a good thing and how are we defining “social”?
Well, do you know what socialism is? I mean really... (show quote)

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Jul 11, 2019 11:01:05   #
waltmoreno (a regular here)
 
David Seaman wrote:
Well, do you know what socialism is? I mean really: I’m interested in hearing what you fear or like about it. Public Schools are good, right? Public Works- road maintenance, parks, electric. And public service like police and fire, courts, tax assessors- all of it to support We The People. And the places that privatized public services screwed us. The Prison system is the perfect example.
But we *are* a socialist country. The root word, social, refers to Society. We are tribal people. We do not do well on our own- isolated. And the US hasn’t fought an honest war since 1945. I have so many younger friends who enlisted and served tour after tour in Afghanistan and Iraq. Some died there, others died after they returned. What does the Middle East War (2003 -present) have to do with our way of life? What were my friends fighting for?
I seriously welcome the opportunity to learn from you; to share our ideas.
Let’s start with “socialist.” For 17 of my 32 years working I taught public school. I served the public. I’ve been in the trenches of service to my country. Instead of a rifle I carried a baton, lesson plans, and an iPod. But service just the same.
Are services that benefit the whole society a bad thing or a good thing and how are we defining “social”?
Well, do you know what socialism is? I mean really... (show quote)


Wait. Are you equating your job as a public school teacher with that of a member of the armed forces who takes an oath to protect and defend the constitution and pay the ultimate price?
If so, I can see why our public schools are in such bad shape. Undoubtedly you pass your warped, twisted, preconceived notions of 'service' onto your captive audience of impressionable young minds. Sad!
Newsflash Mr. Seaman, your voluntarily choosing to take a job as a public school teacher is NOT the same as a serviceman who joins the military. Not even close. As a former ordnanceman in Vietnam, it never occurred to me that my 'service' was interchangeable with that of a teacher standing in front of a class, lecturing impressionable minds.
Obviously, you've been drinking the Kool Aid that is freely served by your local teachers union. You get paid well, have all the medical benefits, 3 months off in summers, a nice retirement package, etc. After you've completed a tour of some hot spot around the globe, as a military serviceman, get back and tell me there's no difference in your so called "service".

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Jul 11, 2019 11:02:09   #
nwtk2007 (a regular here)
 
permafrost wrote:
Is it not true that one of the most bitter complaints of the right wing is that illegals get food stamps and you just hate when that happens..

So it seems indeed to be on topic.. or are you OK with food stamp program?

"US" is we, those who pay taxes..

Orange criminal who does not pay taxes, pays more then i would in a hundred lifetimes???

No, that is very untrue..

And I like many on OPP have given more in my life time then that useless POS from the shallow end of the gene pool has ever given..

He cares nothing about our nation. demonstrated by his throwing away our leadership position we as a nation worked so hard to live up to..

He is such a scum bag, he will not even help those dumb enough to vote for him and sit him in our white house..
Is it not true that one of the most bitter complai... (show quote)


Obama the leader? Really??? LOLOL!!!!!!!!!

The guy who caved on the red line in the sand, who would have perpetuated ISIS for decades, who was willing to give Iran nukes in a predetermined time period (which they have obviously never adhered to), who would have raised taxes again, who allowed the nations of NATO to fail to pay their fair share, who continued Bush's policy of democratizing the ME through regime change after regime change, etc, etc?

That "leadership?????"

The guy who gave us shovel ready jobs at $400,000 each, who threw money are "green" companies who failed even with the free money, who made the deal to let big pharma maintain their monopoly of drugs in the USA? That "leadership?????"

As for taxes, Trump has given up more in salary and sheer income being president than you could ever have paid in taxes, ever.

Nuf said!

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Jul 11, 2019 11:19:49   #
The Critical Critic (a regular here)
 
permafrost wrote:
Only the few feel the Constitution remains the origin of the right wing hate and lies..

I do not, they invented that policy on their own.. with help from people like McConnell and Cheney.


What!!!? The Constitution is right wing hate and lies????? Are you on some sort of heavy medication for your foot?

McConnell and Cheney helped influence the policy of the Constitution? I knew they were old, but not that old...

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Jul 11, 2019 11:50:30   #
moldyoldy (a regular here)
 
permafrost wrote:
darn it jake, I have been trying to show my empathy and concern, but it seems I just do not give a crap this morning..

but the sun is shining, coffed is great, kid is gone for today. dog loves me..

So I shall be much more gentel in a bit of time..

Head to the deck and do nothing again..

What are you guys on the right deluding yourselves about today??

By the way.. real question, what was the Kidney treatment idea trump was going to release yesterday, I was interested, thought it may be the first good thing to ever be done by orange.

so I watched but not even local (Twin Cities) had anything about it.

Short tread was on yesterday..
darn it jake, I have been trying to show my empath... (show quote)


Trump said the kidney is an integral part of the heart.

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Jul 11, 2019 11:53:49   #
Jakebrake (a regular here)
 
moldyoldy wrote:
Trump said the kidney is an integral part of the heart.


Yea, and the halfrican campaigned in 57 states~

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Jul 11, 2019 12:08:48   #
moldyoldy (a regular here)
 
Jakebrake wrote:
Yea, and the halfrican campaigned in 57 states~


Trump says something stupid every day.

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Jul 11, 2019 12:12:21   #
The Critical Critic (a regular here)
 
moldyoldy wrote:
Trump says something stupid every day.


So don’t more than half the Leftists on this site.

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Jul 11, 2019 12:15:33   #
moldyoldy (a regular here)
 
The Critical Critic wrote:
So don’t more than half the Leftists on this site.


It may seem that way to the misinformed or ignorant.

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Jul 11, 2019 12:24:48   #
bmac32 (a regular here)
 
Half as dumb as Obama!




moldyoldy wrote:
Trump says something stupid every day.

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