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Jul 13, 2019 13:15:26   #
moldyoldy
 
The Critical Critic wrote:
Lol... hatred!? Where’s the h**e?

I see your problem, when asked to explain something you said, you ignore it. Why is that?


It should be clear if you can read.

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Jul 13, 2019 13:23:09   #
The Critical Critic Loc: Turtle Island
 
moldyoldy wrote:
It should be clear if you can read.

Yeah... well, it’s not.

You said I look at everything through my lens of h**e... If you could read, you’d see there was no h**e in my response to you. I simply asked you to explain something you said, and you either can’t, or won’t. No hatred, just asking for an explanation. I’m sure you’ll continue to obfuscate and project, no skin off my nose, you’re the one who appears... less than competent.

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Jul 13, 2019 23:17:21   #
Radiance3
 
The Critical Critic wrote:
(Continued from above)

The American journalist Louis Fisher, once an enthusiastic chronicler of Soviet economic advances, recounted how much the Soviet Union had changed: “Ubiquitous fear, amply justified by terror, had k**led revolt, silenced protest, and destroyed civil courage. In place of idealism, cynical safety-first. In place of dedication, pursuit of personal aggrandizement. In place of living spirit, dead conformism, bureaucratic formalism, and the parrotism of false clichés.”

So it was in the Soviet Union under Stalin; so it has been in every socialist experiment since the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917. The Soviet-N**i agreement was the cracking point for many intellectuals in the West, including the American Louis Fisher, who accused Stalin of building an imperialistic militaristic system in which he is, and his successor will be, “the Supreme S***e Master.” How then, Fisher asked, can anyone interested in the welfare of people and the peace and progress of humanity support such a system? “Because there is rottenness in the democratic world?” he asked and answered, “We can fight the rottenness. What can Soviet citizens do about Stalinism?”

It took decades, but the citizens of all the nations behind the Iron Curtain finally threw off their chains in 1989, and wrote finis to Soviet c*******m. Tragically, there are still more than 1 billion people living today under the Marxist socialist regimes of China, Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam, and Laos.

Socialism is responsible for the deaths of more than 100 million victims.

If you were asked how many Jews died in the Holocaust, you would probably respond, “Six million.” We learned the correct answer in our schools and universities, through the books and articles we have read, the movies and television programs we have watched, our conversations with families, friends, and colleagues. There is a continuing campaign to remind us of the Holocaust and to declare, “Never again.” And rightly so. The holocaust carried out by the N**is — their deliberate campaign of genocide — was the greatest evil of the 20th century.

But if you were asked, “How many victims of c*******m have there been?” You would probably hesitate and respond — “Five million? Twenty million? Fifty million?” Few of us would know the right answer: at least 100 million men, women, and children, more than all the deaths of all the major wars of the 20thcentury. C*******m committed the great crime of the last century.

It is a number difficult to comprehend, let alone accept. Surely, you might say, there could not have been that many. But we can be certain of saying that there have been at least 100 million victims of c*******m because of the painstaking research of the editors of The Black Book of C*******m, published by the Harvard University Press. They document that each and every Marxist socialist regime has prevailed by way of a pistol to the back of the head and a death sentence in a forced labor camp.

There is no exception whether in China under Mao Zedong, North Korea under Kim Il Sung, Vietnam under Ho Chi Minh, Cuba under Fidel Castro, Cambodia under Pol Pot, or Ethiopia under Mengistu Haile Mariam.

According to Stephane Courtois, the editor in chief of The Black Book of C*******m, the leading mass murderer is Pol Pot, whose attempt to communize Cambodia resulted in the deaths of one fourth of the country’s population. His closest rival is Mao, under whom as many as 40 million Chinese died in just one socialist campaign — the grossly misnamed Great Leap Forward. Of the Soviet Union’s first two dictators, Lenin and Stalin, Courtois says, “The blood turns cold at its venture into planned, logical and ‘politically collect’ mass slaughter.”

What price socialism? We must not limit ourselves to numbers.

The Chinese philosopher Lin Yutang listed the “little terrors” that prevailed in China — making children of 12 subject to capital punishment, sending women to work in underground coal mines, harassing workers during their lunchtime with threats of prison if they were late returning to work.

There were the costs in terror. One Soviet defector wrote about Soviet life: “We lived in a world swarming with invisible eyes and ears.”

There were the costs in thought control. The content of everything in print and broadcast was limited to authorized “t***hs.” The Soviet press dismissed the 1932-33 forced famine in Ukraine that took the lives of seven million innocents as an anti-c*******t myth. One Western apologist for the regime, Edouard Herr**t, wrote: “I have crossed the whole of Ukraine, and I can assure you that the entire country is like a garden in full bloom.”

There were the costs to the world. There was no crisis anywhere in the world from Southeast Asia to the Caribbean, from sub-Saharan Africa to the Middle East, in which the ideological ambitions of Moscow and its imitators, driven by Marxist-Leninist thought, were not involved throughout the 20th and into the 21st century.

This is the reality of socialism — a pseudo-religion grounded in pseudo-science and enforced by political tyranny. This is the case against socialism — a god that failed, a science that never was, a political system headed for the ash heap of history.”


By: Lee Edwards, Ph.D.

(He is Distinguished Fellow in Conservative Thought
Lee Edwards is a leading historian of American conservatism and the author or editor of 25 books.)
(Continued from above) br br i The American jour... (show quote)


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Brilliant analysis and informative. Thank you for posting. It is also historical.

In brief.
What is Socialism?
Socialism is an economic system where the means of production, such as money and other forms of capital, are owned by the state or public. Under a socialist system, everyone works for wealth that is in turn distributed to everyone. Under capitalism, you work for your own wealth.

A socialist economic system operates on the premise that what is good for one is good for all. Everyone works for their own good and for the good of everyone else. The government decides how wealth is distributed among the people.

In a pure socialist economy, there is no free market like we see in a capitalist nation. The government provides for the people. The taxes are usually higher than in a capitalist system. There may be government-run health care and a complete system of government-operated education. It is a misconception that people do not pay for these services. They do pay for them through higher taxes. Socialist systems emphasize equal distribution of wealth among the people.

Excerpt from:
from Dr. Lee Edwards, Ph.D.
Re: From the Critical Critic:
Socialism has never worked anywhere.
The founding father of socialism is the messianic Karl Marx.
Socialism forbids the age-old right of private property
Socialism insists that human nature is malleable, not constant.
Socialism depends upon dictatorship to attain and remain in power
Socialism is responsible for the deaths of more than 100 million victims
Socialism is the antithesis of Capitalism

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What is Capitalism?
United States Capitalism is first inspired by God, the basic foundation of our Founders principles on the Declaration of Independence: Excerpt.
“We hold these t***hs to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, “


Our capital source is Liberty or Freedom from God in order to pursue our happiness, (achieve).

Capitalism is an economic system where the means of production are owned by private individuals, or corporations. "Means of production" refers to resources including money and other forms of capital. Under a capitalist economy, the economy runs through individuals who own and operate private companies. Decisions over the use of resources are made by the individual or individuals who own the company.

In a capitalist society, companies that incorporate are typically treated by the same laws as individuals. Corporations can sue and be sued. They can buy and sell property. They can perform many of the same actions as individuals.

Under capitalism, companies live by the profit motive. They exist to make money. All companies have owners and managers. Sometimes, especially in small businesses, the owners and managers are the same people. As the business gets larger, the owners may hire managers who may or may not have any ownership stake in the firm. In this case, the managers are called the owner's agents.

The job of the management is more complex than just making a profit. In a capitalist society, the goal of the corporation is maximizing shareholder wealth.

Under capitalism, it is the government's job by enforcing laws and regulations to make sure there is a level playing field for privately-run companies. The amount of governing laws and regulations in a particular industry generally depends on the potential for abuse in that industry.

The unlimited potential of men endowed by God unlimited wisdom to create, innovate, invent, produce, work, to the full extent of the God given rights. Thus, United States is the most successful, productive and inventive of all science that advanced civilization of the world.

We then became the richest, most powerful country that leads people to the full dignity and respect of mankind under the guideline of our Judeo -Christian principles.

No country in the world has ever succeeded in Socialist form of governance.
Some countries have mixture of socialism and capitalism. Taxes there are so high that most people are not able to own properties. Denmark, Sweden, the Netherlands.

United States is the richest country in the world because of Capitalism.
All these countries listed function by Catalism
1. United States (GDP: $21,410,230)
2. China (GDP: $15,543,710)
3. Japan (GDP: $5,362,220)
4. Germany (GDP: $4,416,800)
5. India (GDP: $3,155,230)

Bernie Sanders and AOC will bring our country to the death of our freedom and enlargement of poverty. Beware!

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Jul 13, 2019 23:47:14   #
Airforceone
 
David Seaman wrote:
Well, do you know what socialism is? I mean really: I’m interested in hearing what you fear or like about it. Public Schools are good, right? Public Works- road maintenance, parks, electric. And public service like police and fire, courts, tax assessors- all of it to support We The People. And the places that privatized public services screwed us. The Prison system is the perfect example.
But we *are* a socialist country. The root word, social, refers to Society. We are tribal people. We do not do well on our own- isolated. And the US hasn’t fought an honest war since 1945. I have so many younger friends who enlisted and served tour after tour in Afghanistan and Iraq. Some died there, others died after they returned. What does the Middle East War (2003 -present) have to do with our way of life? What were my friends fighting for?
I seriously welcome the opportunity to learn from you; to share our ideas.
Let’s start with “socialist.” For 17 of my 32 years working I taught public school. I served the public. I’ve been in the trenches of service to my country. Instead of a rifle I carried a baton, lesson plans, and an iPod. But service just the same.
Are services that benefit the whole society a bad thing or a good thing and how are we defining “social”?
Well, do you know what socialism is? I mean really... (show quote)


I can say one thing you will not get an answer to your question on socialism on this site. These people throw the word around and have no idea what it means.

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Jul 14, 2019 00:02:09   #
Radiance3
 
Airforceone wrote:
I can say one thing you will not get an answer to your question on socialism on this site. These people throw the word around and have no idea what it means.


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So AF1, how to you define Socialism?
Cite the contrast between Capitalism versus Socialism.

Name any country in the world that had succeeded thru Socialism
in terms of human rights, productivity, and success.

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Jul 14, 2019 00:38:47   #
Larai Loc: Fallon, NV
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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So AF1, how to you define Socialism?
Cite the contrast between Capitalism versus Socialism.

Name any country in the world that had succeeded thru Socialism
in terms of human rights, productivity, and success.


Bravo Radiance!! ...There Have been a Mulititude of the Definitions of Socialism On this thread.. But Libs refuse to go and verify those definitions, but instead call us H**ers and our posts mean nothing because, they are Freakin Lazy!! They'd Much rather bash conservatives than look into the philosophy that will have them S***es to their gov't..it is called a number of things.. apathy..complacency.. Laziness.. Party line spew.. etc etc.. but the bottom line is libs are lazy about verifiying anything be it Our posts or their own... they read something and cherry pick one word or sentence and blast that instead of reading the entire post based on merit, not the party line.. it would be very refreshing if any of these libs looked Anything Up.. ok.. maybe when pigs fly.. Not holding my breath!

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Jul 14, 2019 01:07:20   #
moldyoldy
 
Larai wrote:
Bravo Radiance!! ...There Have been a Mulititude of the Definitions of Socialism On this thread.. But Libs refuse to go and verify those definitions, but instead call us H**ers and our posts mean nothing because, they are Freakin Lazy!! They'd Much rather bash conservatives than look into the philosophy that will have them S***es to their gov't..it is called a number of things.. apathy..complacency.. Laziness.. Party line spew.. etc etc.. but the bottom line is libs are lazy about verifiying anything be it Our posts or their own... they read something and cherry pick one word or sentence and blast that instead of reading the entire post based on merit, not the party line.. it would be very refreshing if any of these libs looked Anything Up.. ok.. maybe when pigs fly.. Not holding my breath!
Bravo Radiance!! img src="https://static.onepolit... (show quote)



You have already defined socialism and that is not what liberals want. We see a world that already has parts of socialism and love it, so we should take what is good and discard what is not. I know that is much too sensible for the right

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Jul 14, 2019 01:18:23   #
Radiance3
 
moldyoldy wrote:
You have already defined socialism and that is not what liberals want. We see a world that already has parts of socialism and love it, so we should take what is good and discard what is not. I know that is much too sensible for the right


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So moldy, what part of socialism do you love? The free stuff? Nothing is free in this world. That free stuff is a bait to get you in. You know when you place food inside a trap. Then the skunk gets inside, but could not get out.
That is what socialism will do to you.

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Jul 14, 2019 01:29:40   #
Radiance3
 
Larai wrote:
Bravo Radiance!! ...There Have been a Mulititude of the Definitions of Socialism On this thread.. But Libs refuse to go and verify those definitions, but instead call us H**ers and our posts mean nothing because, they are Freakin Lazy!! They'd Much rather bash conservatives than look into the philosophy that will have them S***es to their gov't..it is called a number of things.. apathy..complacency.. Laziness.. Party line spew.. etc etc.. but the bottom line is libs are lazy about verifiying anything be it Our posts or their own... they read something and cherry pick one word or sentence and blast that instead of reading the entire post based on merit, not the party line.. it would be very refreshing if any of these libs looked Anything Up.. ok.. maybe when pigs fly.. Not holding my breath!
Bravo Radiance!! img src="https://static.onepolit... (show quote)

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Just like AOC big mouthing the border patrol agents and ICE, demanding better care for the i******s and the children. Accused ICE of the gulag, demanding that the i******s and children needs beds to sleep, facilities for comforts, and food. They have everything of these.

Yet in their districts of NYC, are swarms of flies, diseases, trashes, needles because of the hundreds of thousands of homeless. These people have no beds to lay their heads, hungry, cold, sick along with the children. But AOC is yelling at the border patrol for not providing comforts for the i******s. What a travesty of hypocrisy these socialists are. Dangerous if ever they can have more power. Beware of Sanders and AOC.

To be honest, there is a solution to homelessness. But they abandon them.

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Jul 14, 2019 03:27:08   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Nickolai wrote:
Conservatives cant read beyond little singular two letter words such as their favorite me, me, me, me, me
Are you referring to big words like Mayonnaise, or the monsters like Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious and pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis. Those are just the English giants. The Krauts have some humongous words like Donaudampfschiffahrtsgesellschaftskapitän.

You grok science, doncha? There's a scientific word, don't know if you can call it a "word" per se, but it's a long unbroken stream of scientific syllables that takes 3 and 1/2 hours to pronounce. I can get it for you, if you'd like to give it a shot. Guy as brilliant as you should be able breeze through this thing and set a world record for speed reading.

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Jul 14, 2019 09:40:20   #
moldyoldy
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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So moldy, what part of socialism do you love? The free stuff? Nothing is free in this world. That free stuff is a bait to get you in. You know when you place food inside a trap. Then the skunk gets inside, but could not get out.
That is what socialism will do to you.


How about roads, military protection, hospitals, all the infrastructure is for the social good of the people

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Jul 14, 2019 10:46:27   #
Radiance3
 
moldyoldy wrote:
How about roads, military protection, hospitals, all the infrastructure is for the social good of the people


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Our government is run by the 3 balance of powers. Executive, Congress, and Supreme Court.
The Executive branch, has different Cabinet functions each one headed by what you call Department Secretary. Every biennium, appropriations are provided to each department to run its operations. Must have different priorities which ever is the need most comes first. That is why at present our Defense Dept. has budget increased due to the needs.

During the admin of Mr. Obama he reduced the budget for the Defense Department thus weakening its functions. That was why he removed 197 officers and generals that made the defense weak and Al Qaeda so strong.

We have 16 Cabinets, and more sub agencies. All of these report to the Executive Br. Each one has its own defined powers.

Our taxes, fund all the government operations. I can explain this, it is very long process. I have to go now moldy.

Why don't you read the Constitution, I have no more time. This is long. See you later, going to church right now.


Good day.

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Jul 14, 2019 11:09:47   #
The Critical Critic Loc: Turtle Island
 
moldyoldy wrote:
How about roads, military protection, hospitals, all the infrastructure is for the social good of the people


Roads and infrastructure are the same, and they’re not socialism, they’re covered in the Constitution, read the Commerce Clause.

The military is not socialism as its responsibility is to protect all citizens.

Hospitals: In the United States most hospitals are privately funded, although there are “city hospitals” that tend to cater to the poor with no insurance, often as hospitals of last resort.

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Jul 14, 2019 11:29:28   #
Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, CO
 
The Critical Critic wrote:
Roads and infrastructure are the same, and they’re not socialism, they’re covered in the Constitution, read the Commerce Clause.

The military is not socialism as its responsibility is to protect all citizens.

Hospitals: In the United States most hospitals are privately funded, although there are “city hospitals” that tend to cater to the poor with no insurance, often as hospitals of last resort.


My, my, wonder what mold has to say about your post?



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Jul 14, 2019 11:45:41   #
moldyoldy
 
The Critical Critic wrote:
Roads and infrastructure are the same, and they’re not socialism, they’re covered in the Constitution, read the Commerce Clause.

The military is not socialism as its responsibility is to protect all citizens.

Hospitals: In the United States most hospitals are privately funded, although there are “city hospitals” that tend to cater to the poor with no insurance, often as hospitals of last resort.


Socialism, things that benefit society as a whole.

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